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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:32:00 -
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unbless83 wrote:ur still talking about isk, lp and plexing... not much talking going on about pvp...
unbless83 wrote:this is why the amarr cant win... they see plexing and pvp as two different things.
one begets the other
You were right the first time. Talking about plexing is not necessarilly talking about pvp. Plexing is still most efficiently done without any pvp.
This was the key to fixing fw yet its something that really hasn't been addressed by ccp.
I go in plexes where there allot of wartargets in system so that I can get fights. But I am not going to stay in a plex just so that the enemy can come in after i leave and get 2.5xs the lp after I leave. If I wanted to really be effective plexing I would do the whole hide and seek plexing that the farmers do.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
655
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:38:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
No. It's Cearain asking stuff he's asked 1000 times before, questions that have been answered, and that he will keep asking until the mechanics match up with his exact specifications. He is clearly incapable of understanding that sometimes CCP takes ideas and implements their own version of them despite all player protest, CSM or otherwise...
Ok so here you are trying to minimize your impact on these changes.
But here you claim CCP made unprecedented use of your feedback:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Maybe you can also explain why the CSM as a whole would need to push FW when CCP's already agreed to work on it, and they get expert council from myself (and making unprecedented use of my feedback as well)? Where is the sense of urgency where the CSM needs to waste their unanimous voice promoting something that's already happening?
Do you think its responsible for CCP to spend an entire year working on something that affects a small portion of the population, when they could be fixing an area of space that affects multiple times that many players and subcriptions and potential subscriptions? ....
What with respect to the economic changes what did you request that they do differently?
Did you not ask for this new tier system?
Did you not ask for lp for defensive plexing?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
35
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Posted - 2012.11.22 05:03:00 -
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You realize that none of your complaining, finger pointing, or harassing will never do ANY good. Fix the way you approach the subject, get supports, run for CSM. Stop making it look like you have some weird stalker man crush on Hans and do some actual good. |
Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.11.22 11:49:00 -
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Cearain wrote:After this set of rule changes I am no longer going to play this computer game involving fw occupancy.
You hardly play it now, what's the difference.
Also- the game doesn't involve FW Occupancy, that's just one slice of the pie (sadly the only one your simple, non-objective based mind can focus on though). Like I told Poetic, if you think you can represent the interest of the FW community better; get elected to CSM and do it- I'm sure you will have the same difficult time preaching about FW changes over the other people trying to get things fixed for the part of EVE they enjoy. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
656
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:48:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:Cearain wrote:After this set of rule changes I am no longer going to play this computer game involving fw occupancy. You hardly play it now, what's the difference..
I used to play it. And I and many others had high hopes it would be fixed. We voted for hans based on his promise to push to make it a pvp activity.
Shylari Avada wrote: Also- the game doesn't involve FW Occupancy, that's just one slice of the pie (sadly the only one your simple, non-objective based mind can focus on though). .
Bottom line is the divide between faction war occupancy and pvp, is why faction war is broken. This was recognized for years. And for years we waited for ccp to fix this. There was great hope that when ccp worked on faction war they would fix it. But they completely lost focus threw a bunch of isk at it and its still broken.
Theres lots of new blood coming in that are happy about the small gang pvp that fw always offered. But soon they will see that the pvp is seperate from the plexing and it will lose all sense of meaning. Even within the context of a game the pvp can have some meaning.
I see a 2 month faction war stint was enough for you.
Shylari Avada wrote: Like I told Poetic, if you think you can represent the interest of the FW community better; get elected to CSM and do it-.
Thats ridiculous. I am not interested in running for csm (or applying to ccp.) I have no interest in eve politics. That doesn't mean I am disqualified from posting some questions on the forums.
Sure if Hans doesn't want to discuss the questions he doesn't have to. He almost certainly won't. Because he is apparently more of a politician than any of us thought, and I suppose he doesn't find these questions flattering.
Shylari Avada wrote: I'm sure you will have the same difficult time preaching about FW changes over the other people trying to get things fixed for the part of EVE they enjoy.
Yep I think you are right. CCP is moving on from faction war and we will likely be stuck with this for another few years. Many who voted for hans were counting on him to push making occupancy war in fw about pvp. We were told in private e-mails and campaign propaganda this is what he was doing. But in the end occupancy is still a broken joke of a mechanic. And Hans is just cheerleading ccp about it. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:25:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Shylari Avada wrote: I'm sure you will have the same difficult time preaching about FW changes over the other people trying to get things fixed for the part of EVE they enjoy.
Yep I think you are right. CCP is moving on from faction war and we will likely be stuck with this for another few years. Many who voted for hans were counting on him to push making occupancy war in fw about pvp. We were told in private e-mails and campaign propaganda this is what he was doing. But in the end occupancy is still a broken joke of a mechanic. And Hans is just cheerleading ccp about it. But anyway this thread is more about how hans represented he would push that any economic rewards would be carefully tailored so that faction war wouldn't end up snowballing to the winning side. Yet then after he was elected, he changed his position.
Before you start pointing fingers you have to understand that the CSM has delegates from all portions of space (even Empire for some reason) who all have the issues players from their chosen space would like to see fixed, it's up to CCP to tell these guys to pick the most irritating or broken things that they can feasibly accomplish within a ~4 month production window for the follow expansion.
I wouldn't say that Hans is a bad CSM delegate, after personally talking at length with him in the past he is knowledgeable about FW mechanics and understands what the core of FW pilots want. The problem however is that he has to push the players concern somewhat in line with CCP's vision for what FW should be (even when at times there is no or little vision as to what they want FW to be).
To be perfectly fair, you guys did get two back to back relatively large fixes to faction warfare, while other areas of space (*cough* null sec *cough) are still broken beyond belief, and then we have that whole economy thing (you know- that FW ruined for 4 months). |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
392
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:56:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:... The problem however is that he has to push the players concern somewhat in line with CCP's vision for what FW should be (even when at times there is no or little vision as to what they want FW to be). Not entirely sure CCP had a vision for FW beyond "lol massive wardec!" as all the original design papers (and authors thereof) apparently disappeared along the way. Seen in that light Hans has indeed failed spectacularly as the whole point of getting him in was to not only get FW some dev time but also to help CCP understand the beast they had created .. got the first while the latter is still up for discussion.
Shylari Avada wrote:To be perfectly fair, you guys did get two back to back relatively large fixes to faction warfare, while other areas of space (*cough* null sec *cough) are still broken beyond belief, and then we have that whole economy thing (you know- that FW ruined for 4 months). Where is your barricades? Sure you can muster thousands upon thousands of complaints when changes are considered for one nul aspect or another (sanctums, goo, supers etc) but other than the reactive responses and generalized "we have been forgotten" statements it is rather difficult (read: impossible) to measure the desire for the overhaul that is sorely needed or if null (ie. you and yours) even know what you want or would like. FW on the other hand have been very active for 4-5 years with discussions, suggestions and whatnot on everything from complete re-imagining to the price/use of lowly tags ..
So lets have the threads that bring tears (happy or sad) and hot-running tempers as they discuss what is needed, wanted and necessary to make null "work".
In short: Start editing and releasing the stacks of internal Goon reports on "wouldn't it be cool, if..." that I am sure exist |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
577
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:42:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Seen in that light Hans has indeed failed spectacularly as the whole point of getting him in was to not only get FW some dev time but also to help CCP understand the beast they had created .. got the first while the latter is still up for discussion.
Hotfix installed a month or two ahead of Retribution? Yep, Hans failed. CCP takes most if not all the ideas discussed and puts them in the hotfix? Yep, Hans failed.
Cearain wrote:I see a 2 month faction war stint was enough for you.
Indeed, if you could not make enough from FW in 2 months before the hotfix you would have to be a principled idiot or something. Or, you know, your alliance leader pulled you out when his exploit got banned. Same same.
Quote:But soon they will see that the pvp is seperate from the plexing and it will lose all sense of meaning. Bottom line is the divide between faction war occupancy and pvp, is why faction war is broken. Many who voted for hans were counting on him to push making occupancy war in fw about pvp.
Etcetera.
Well, in nullsec and wormholes, there is a divide between PVE and PVP. People undock PVE battleships and carriers in nullsec to go make ISK. In w-space you close all your connections, log in the noctis alt, fleet up, deploy a deep space probe, and set about a couple hours solid PVE. In hisec, PVE is separate from PVP.
You seem to think that your singular vision as FW being a place to PVP and play a game of occupancy is purer and more with the ultimate vision of what FW should be; a place where PVE and PVP are inextricably linked, and you need to PVP to make ISK.
Clearly, a large number of people in FW (including myself), possibly Hans, and certainly CCP realise this is utterly impractical. You are on the wrong side of history, railing and banging on your cage as events pass you by, and you are stubbornly sticking to your beliefs that Hans screwed you and defrauded FW and conned CCP and this explains why FW isn't a glorious temple to endless on-tap small-gang PVP where funding your activities...well, we shall gloss over that, as it is irrelevant.
Sadly, it is extremely relevant. I know you are crap at PVP as you allude to consistently making stupid choices and dying in hopeless fights, which of course is a fault of the axis of history, Hans and CCP. Yet you must surely have a font of ISK somewhere that allows you to contnue welping your ships - and here you say you give up on camping plexes as the Minmatar would gain 2.5x the ISK for the same activity, which says you are in defensive plexes. Or just complaining about the fact you are on the losing side. Baww.
Cearain wrote:But anyway this thread is more about how hans represented he would push that any economic rewards would be carefully tailored so that faction war wouldn't end up snowballing to the winning side. Yet then after he was elected, he changed his position.
Oh, there you go baawwing.
Lets see. Hans promises something, and is elected. Hans changes his position. Cearain gets a squirrel up his butt about how Hans clearly has no e-honour and posits leading questions, then disingenuously faw-faws around the degree to which these questions were leading and caused by Cearain's butt squirrel and antithetical man-love for Hans.
Maybe consider this. Hans went to CCP, pumped full of come...er....vision and idealism, then the devs were all "look into my eyes, not around my eyes, into my eyes. This is the cost of doing all this coding, and this is the current makeup of FW and here's some toys" and Hans is distracted and sees their POV. Then Inferno arrives, Goons rort the system, plexing alts infest every corner of the FW sphere, and finally it is changed. History happens, and it happens not to be in your favour.
Yes. He has totally failed. We have a fairly meaningful sov-occupancy fight based around the LP rewards you get for plexing. Plexing is the lure which brings people into contact with one another. Not your kettle of fish? Not mine either, I'm working off a 20 billion ISK W-space endowment and dont plex for my ISK.
Unlike you, however, I can see how other people do need to have rewards commensurate with time spent to make the game of FW pew pew meaningful, enjoyable, achievable and technically feasible. If this requires the balls of PVE rubbing with your PVP, then so be it. I know guys who mine in lowsec en masse, in FW in FW lowsec, because they find that more rewarding than orbiting buttons, ISK and enjoyment wise. Weird, huh?
FW is a broad church and you are in a cult of one very angsty man. Hans, as supreme child-fiddling space pope, must look after the FW noobs as much as anyone else. FW noobs require ISK to come into their wallets which exceeds most reasonable outlays on ships they may lose making said ISK.
I agree, pre hotfix, this was an avalanche, and it was borked. Now it is 75% unborked, and the other 25% comes with the new rats. So, after this, you get enough ISK to start being wealthy, the more you plex. Oh. My. God. FW is ruined.
Without this, yes, people last only two months before they burn their endowments out and leave. Me? I am smarter than the average bear and still have a long, long way to go, and incidentally make LP by killing people. Enough, I argue, to keep me in my druthers. And thus, I conclude, you are an absolute disingenuous bitter man and need to get on the right side of history. Everything is working as intended.
Finally, spare a thought for Two Step, the wormhole guy. 3.5 years and all they have done is fix the Magnetar exploit and add neuts to sleepers. What a giant failure all those CSM guys for wormholes are. *cough*you idiot*cough*
I might run for CSM. Then you can blame me for everything going wrong. <3 Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
665
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Posted - 2012.11.23 17:45:00 -
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Shylari Avada you are a smart person and there is allot of truth in what you say. But the fw community knew allot of these things before Hans even announced he was running. We knew ccp had allot of flawed ideas and would need to be focused on key issues.
I am not saying Hans is a bad csm delegate either. Hans has done much more than other csm members in talking on these forums with players. He started threads asking players for their views on issues regarding faction war and is participating in these threads. I think either he or mynxee or teadaze has been the best csm I can recall from the last 3. But again that doesn't say much. The csm members since csm 5 were by and large horrible.
You talk about how CCP has neglected null sec? Ok but here is the thing. We have had several null sec csm members who bemoan null sec but they never offer any concrete solutions. They all avoid offering actual mechanics changes and say they are not "game developers."
But, of course, that is the point of having a csm - to help ccp develop the game.
Someone linked the mittani.com and he is just now starting to explain what his vision of null sec would be. When I went to the site a week or so ago he still hadn't even given any details yet of his plan. Well, he was on the csm about a year ago! He should have had that vision before he even decided to run. That way players could have elected him (or not) based on his ideas.
But of course MittaniGÇÖs actual ideas had nothing to do with his election. The only idea he had was that eliminating jump bridges would be bad. This voting for csms based on their status in an alliance or based on personality is why the csm is horrible.
The faction war community elected a candidate based on a vision with relatively clear ideas of how to achieve that vision. That vision was making occupancy warfare a pvp mechanic that was meaningful. If you look at what Hans produced for his campaign it might have been summed up as " we donGÇÖt want null sec we want pvp."
And he had clear ideas of how to achieve that. But instead of pushing those ideas and keeping ccp focused, he got sidetracked talking about npcs and lp payouts structures before occupancy was even established as a pvp mechanic. ItGÇÖs completely backwards. First get the mechanic working like you want and then figure out the payouts. Occupancy is still a broken pve mechanic. And CCP is moving on to other things. We blew our chance.
Not only did Hans become preoccupied with fiddling with npcs and the lp payouts he dropped his sensible campaign views on rewards and pushed for a bad new payout system, that is the subject of this thread. What he pushed ccp to do to the lp structure and tier structure was not something players supported. In fact when they were discussed on these boards they were criticized. And it was clearly contrary to the views he expressed when he ran. Yet he pushed it through.
This thread is indeed about certain blunders he made as a csm. I am wondering if he will have the backbone to admit these were mistakes or defend them. Is he is going to continue to push the idea that inferno punished the minmatar too much for winning, and that there doesn't need to be any economic balances in the lp structure?
ThatGÇÖs what these questions are aimed at. I even ask him if he would change his position. The only reason the questions seem unfair is because the positions he took in the quotes I provide are plainly terrible.
You might like hans and think he is a nice guy but letGÇÖs pretend we vote for people based on what they want to do to the game, instead of whether we like their personality. What do you think of the questions I put to hans about his actual positions on the game mechanics? Perhaps you donGÇÖt care.
ThatGÇÖs fine too. ThatGÇÖs another thing. As soon as Hans got elected he started to ignore people like myself who had done faction war for years and instead got ideas from people who were completely new to it. He would tell me they are the GÇ£new faction war.GÇ¥ Ok thatGÇÖs fine but a) they didnGÇÖt elect you and so their views might be contrary to what you represented you would do in your campaign and b) many didnGÇÖt even understand the current mechanics let alone have time to understand how to actually improve them.
But whatever, basically it came down to all the minmatar like this idea and also this guy who has been amarr militia for 3 weeks also likes it, so letGÇÖs do it. The people who knew faction war plexing inside and out and helped him get elected were relabeled GÇ£bitter vet cry baby amarrGÇ¥ and ignored.
If the ideas I quote from Hans are not terrible then defend them. If they are terrible then letGÇÖs admit it and start pushing ccp to undo them. I don't expect people to be perfect but if some ideas were bad letGÇÖs admit it and go about getting them changed.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
665
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Posted - 2012.11.23 17:56:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:Seen in that light Hans has indeed failed spectacularly as the whole point of getting him in was to not only get FW some dev time but also to help CCP understand the beast they had created .. got the first while the latter is still up for discussion. Hotfix installed a month or two ahead of Retribution? Yep, Hans failed. CCP takes most if not all the ideas discussed and puts them in the hotfix? Yep, Hans failed. Cearain wrote:I see a 2 month faction war stint was enough for you. Indeed, if you could not make enough from FW in 2 months before the hotfix you would have to be a principled idiot or something. Or, you know, your alliance leader pulled you out when his exploit got banned. Same same. Quote:But soon they will see that the pvp is seperate from the plexing and it will lose all sense of meaning. Bottom line is the divide between faction war occupancy and pvp, is why faction war is broken. Many who voted for hans were counting on him to push making occupancy war in fw about pvp. Etcetera. Well, in nullsec and wormholes, there is a divide between PVE and PVP. People undock PVE battleships and carriers in nullsec to go make ISK. In w-space you close all your connections, log in the noctis alt, fleet up, deploy a deep space probe, and set about a couple hours solid PVE. In hisec, PVE is separate from PVP. You seem to think that your singular vision as FW being a place to PVP and play a game of occupancy is purer and more with the ultimate vision of what FW should be; a place where PVE and PVP are inextricably linked, and you need to PVP to make ISK.
What are you talking about? I never said I need to make isk through pvp.
I did say that the minmatar were not being punished for winning too much in inferno. I also said economic rewards should be balanced so that people don't just flock to the winning team.
You already have a thread where you rant at imaginary people with imaginary views. ItGÇÖs really a good thread. But please don't derail ths thread into the same thing.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
599
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:39:00 -
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I rant at real people with really stupid views, and you misconstrue everything and brush it off as derailment? Mission accomplished. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
39
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:26:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:I rant at real people with really stupid views, and you misconstrue everything and brush it off as derailment? Mission accomplished.
A lot of people have given up talking to Damarr Jr here. |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
155
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:01:00 -
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Hans throw his independent mask immediately after being voted for CSM .... he should resign. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
136
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:03:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:Hans throw his independent mask immediately after being voted for CSM .... he should resign.
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
92
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:04:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:Hans throw his independent mask immediately after being voted for CSM .... he should resign.
Wouldnt that achieve about as much now as putting on a condom when your wife/girlfriend is already pregnant? |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
155
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:13:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:Hans throw his independent mask immediately after being voted for CSM .... he should resign. Wouldnt that achieve about as much now as putting on a condom when your wife/girlfriend is already pregnant?
well will not try to beat you with some more crazy talks ;) dont want to be banned ...
but no ... it is more about cultivating political culture ... but I already had some talks with Hans and he likes to let things like they are ... unfortunately he kinda crippled his chances to be voted again (anywhere in eve universe) or be solid partner for many people now. It is like grand corporate theft. You can make lot of isk out of it, but once u did it, it is hard to fix your reputation with majority of other people (no matter how many big jerks are available in eve). He lied to many and exploited his position. So be it. I believe in karma :)
CCP like it this way because they have pets in Minnie and Gal, but it is just matter of time. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
43
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:09:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:Hans throw his independent mask immediately after being voted for CSM .... he should resign. Wouldnt that achieve about as much now as putting on a condom when your wife/girlfriend is already pregnant?
Snakes wife is pregnant by Hans you say????
I came expecting drama but this is unbelievable. Susan is gonna be FURIOUS.
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Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
155
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:43:00 -
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jjohnpaul xvii wrote:Joanna Ramirez wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:Hans throw his independent mask immediately after being voted for CSM .... he should resign. Wouldnt that achieve about as much now as putting on a condom when your wife/girlfriend is already pregnant? Snakes wife is pregnant by Hans ???? I came expecting drama but this is unbelievable. Susan is gonna be FURIOUS.
ROFL ... My wife has style ... Hans is ugly (so no interaction) ... and we always talking about interactions with CCP .... so it means either Hans or CCP is interacting with each other or someone else from comunity (my wife as many other wives is just metagaming by pulling me out of Eve universe so it does not count).
See how carefuly I wrote it ... no chance to get banned ;) IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
621
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:45:00 -
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No wonder Susan is trying to foist so many Thrasher hulls in Huola - she's got a babbie to provide for! *_* Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
681
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:19:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Cearain wrote:I see a 2 month faction war stint was enough for you. Indeed, if you could not make enough from FW in 2 months before the hotfix you would have to be a principled idiot or something. Or, you know, your alliance leader pulled you out when his exploit got banned. Same same.
This shows how differently we look at this.
Many of the players were not interested in an isk dump. They even repeatedly asked that ccp not just throw a bunch of isk at fw and call it fixed. Making loads of isk is not going to make eve more fun to play.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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marketjacker
Mafia Redux
45
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:24:00 -
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Hidden Snake, Cwhineian, and so many other sperge lords in here. I wish FW would just die already so you could be told to STFU in your blob alliance or quit the game entirely. |
ground ctrl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:51:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Hans,
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Popsicle? You're doing it wrong. Melt it with lazers. subtle turtle wrote:Is this a "ask Hans anything" thread? No. It's Cearain asking stuff he's asked 1000 times before, questions that have been answered, and that he will keep asking until the mechanics match up with his exact specifications. He is clearly incapable of understanding that sometimes CCP takes ideas and implements their own version of them despite all player protest, CSM or otherwise, ...
So Hans you were against the changes made on october 22nd?
How long does the war have to be lopsided before you will reconsider your position?
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Vordak Kallager
Mafia Redux
499
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:58:00 -
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marketjacker wrote:Hidden Snake, Cwhineian, and so many other sperge lords in here. I wish FW would just die already so you could be told to STFU in your blob alliance or quit the game entirely.
Too many dicks on the dance floor. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
839
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Posted - 2012.12.27 23:39:00 -
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Hans is decaying in the trunk if my car I'm afraid. All future questions should be directed to Trinket's Friend. |
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