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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:00:00 -
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No local works for wormhole space just fine. How long ago was that made? I think CCP has had more than enough time to see that it works. We have so many crying about people with cloaks when they are lucky to have free intel to begin with. I am all for giving better scanners at the same time. I am not fine with free intel though and that is what local is.
We were told this would be done before Dust launch during Incarna and the whiners scrapped a ton of content and employees that would have been great to still have in my opinion. |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
26
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:06:00 -
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
340
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:12:00 -
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People will just move on to whining about something else |
Dan Carter Murray
179
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Posted - 2012.11.03 15:53:00 -
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everyone knows how to find afk cloakers.
you have to smartbomb every inch of the solar system to decloak them.
you're welcome. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.11.03 19:31:00 -
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As soon as you remove local, the only people that will be in 0.0 will be the combat alts of Empire L4 mission runners on an op, and clueless idiots trying to find someone to gank in a virtually empty 0.0.
No local only works in wormspace because the inhabitants can control the access to their space by colapsing wormholes that lead to inhabited WH systems. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Abyssum Invocat
Justified Chaos
25
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Posted - 2012.11.04 11:53:00 -
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Shepard Book wrote:No local works for wormhole space just fine. How long ago was that made? I think CCP has had more than enough time to see that it works. We have so many crying about people with cloaks when they are lucky to have free intel to begin with. I am all for giving better scanners at the same time. I am not fine with free intel though and that is what local is.
We were told this would be done before Dust launch during Incarna and the whiners scrapped a ton of content and employees that would have been great to still have in my opinion. Thank you but I would rather not spend 5 minutes d-scanning every system during a roam to figure out whether or not I was alone. Some parts of Eve are empty for 10 jumps in every direction, having to meticulously comb every AU with your scanner and pray no one unwittingly passed you, is not good gameplay. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2012.11.04 16:39:00 -
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How about you just don't bother yourself with reading talks about cloaks instead? |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
239
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Posted - 2012.11.04 16:50:00 -
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Mortimer Civer wrote:No local only works in wormspace because the inhabitants can control the access to their space by colapsing wormholes that lead to inhabited WH systems.
There have been many times where we leave the hole open while we run sites... What we do (get this) is we put an alt in a cloaked ship about 50kms off the hole, and we actually WATCH IT! Amazing I know. Turns out you can do this with star gates as well.who knew? |
Corporate Management
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 16:51:00 -
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Local should be delayed for 0.0 unless you hold sovereignty and have a POS mounted with the same system that concord use in empire to relay local list to you. Much like stations, the list would only show to those who have the standings to see it. |
Sean Parisi
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
6
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Posted - 2012.11.05 07:19:00 -
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Delete AFK cloaker whiners. Its the only solution - Their characters must be deleted and reprocessed in order to create more intelligent pod pilots. (Who dont suffer from paranoia issues that cripple them) |
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
480
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Posted - 2012.11.05 09:51:00 -
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I do think there needs to be changes to local in nullsec - perhaps not going as far as to make it a clone of wh local, but something to make it a bit less useful, or at least make it require some kind of effort to be as useful as it is.
Perhaps make it a system upgrade - without the upgrade all you get is a constellation or region wide list. Some of the less interesting, less populated and less maintained systems would then understandably be worse off on the up-to-the-minute intel front. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
131
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Posted - 2012.11.05 10:17:00 -
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Remove cloaks and put an end to people talking about local. |
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club Test Alliance Please Ignore
200
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Posted - 2012.11.05 21:49:00 -
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Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore the whiney bitches? Hell that doesn't even require a patch. I used to have a clever sig but I lost it. |
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2012.11.05 22:25:00 -
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Shepard Book wrote:No local works for wormhole space just fine. How long ago was that made? I think CCP has had more than enough time to see that it works. We have so many crying about people with cloaks when they are lucky to have free intel to begin with. I am all for giving better scanners at the same time. I am not fine with free intel though and that is what local is.
We were told this would be done before Dust launch during Incarna and the whiners scrapped a ton of content and employees that would have been great to still have in my opinion.
OP, Congratulations on your stunning display of EVE naivety.
AFK cloaking is NOT a problem, it never was.
Somebody who is AFK cannot hurt you. Grow a pair.
Dont like people in local? Removing local wont change a thing, except make you a little bit less scared.
And if an AFK cloaky person scares you so much that you go to the forums to post downright terrible suggestions, then obviously, EVE is not for you.
Here are some proper suggestions for you:
1. Hello kitty online. They love people like you.
2. World of Warcraft. Nuff said.
3. Disney.com, as you seem afraid of other people.
All of these suggestions are ------> this way.
P.S Before you unsub and leave, contract all your stuff to this toon. And the contents of your wallet while you are at it. Ill make far better use of it all than you have been able to.
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Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
5
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Posted - 2012.11.06 00:42:00 -
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obviously they should get rid of local... when they do a total revamp of d-scan and have a sensible plan for how we will spot people incoming easily in this new, sleek, well designed d-scan UI and how we will be able to find eachother and initiate fights easily and how it will be a good UI that we will keep open all the time instead of local... chances are, though, this will never happen, or the D-scan revamp (there have been murmurs about this topic recently) WILL happen but it will be like unified inventory and have some vexing problems, take up far too much screen real-estate and everyone will ***** about it endlessly. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1098
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Posted - 2012.11.06 01:08:00 -
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you can't remove local without adding some form of a intel tool as replacement. CCP knows that. And no, the spreadsheet with refresh button (aka dscan) is not a replacement. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Graff Spee
Choke-Hold
14
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Posted - 2012.11.06 05:38:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:you can't remove local without adding some form of a intel tool as replacement. CCP knows that. And no, the spreadsheet with refresh button (aka dscan) is not a replacement. This. I love WH space, and all of its many great dangers. But 0.0 feels emptier and bigger without intel. This would be fine if the distances were smaller, or the inhabitants more densely populated, but at the moment, this is not the case. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
498
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:18:00 -
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One can judge a troll by the number of whiny poasts devoted to repudiating its alleged purpose and content. By this metric I assign you a 7/10. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
146
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:55:00 -
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Alyssa Yotosala wrote:Shepard Book wrote:No local works for wormhole space just fine. How long ago was that made? I think CCP has had more than enough time to see that it works. We have so many crying about people with cloaks when they are lucky to have free intel to begin with. I am all for giving better scanners at the same time. I am not fine with free intel though and that is what local is.
We were told this would be done before Dust launch during Incarna and the whiners scrapped a ton of content and employees that would have been great to still have in my opinion. OP, Congratulations on your stunning display of EVE naivety. AFK cloaking is NOT a problem, it never was. Somebody who is AFK cannot hurt you. Grow a pair. Dont like people in local? Removing local wont change a thing, except make you a little bit less scared. And if an AFK cloaky person scares you so much that you go to the forums to post downright terrible suggestions, then obviously, EVE is not for you. Here are some proper suggestions for you: 1. Hello kitty online. They love people like you. 2. World of Warcraft. Nuff said. 3. Disney.com, as you seem afraid of other people. All of these suggestions are ------> this way. P.S Before you unsub and leave, contract all your stuff to this toon. And the contents of your wallet while you are at it. Ill make far better use of it all than you have been able to.
But... I had fun playing Toon Town Online with my son when he was five. Those bots sounded so funny! http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
Mexan Caderu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.06 07:12:00 -
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WH space has what you are seeking. Go there. |
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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
88
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Posted - 2012.11.08 11:31:00 -
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Mexan Caderu wrote:WH space has what you are seeking. Go there.
We were actually told in the beginning that worm hole space was going to be the testing ground for removing local in other parts of the game as well. I believe we have had enough time to see it works just fine without having the free warning that someone is in your system.
Having local to me is easy mode and I do not agree with people wanting their hand held even more by nerfing cloaks. Local goes against player vs player combat in my opinion. It gives a free warning to someone that someone else is there and how many. I say we should have to actively use tools ( which could be improved before removing local ) to find targets rather than looking in local and seeing how many people are where.
Thanks for everyone's constructive feedback so far. |
Juliade
Purging Maelstrom Villore Accords
4
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Posted - 2012.11.08 12:36:00 -
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I don't believe this to be true. Removing local would hurt PVP more than it actually helps. For instance, whenever we roam, the first thing we look for when looking for a fight is wether the system has enemies in them. Removing that makes it harder to get fights.
What removing local does do however is making those easy kills easier to get. Face it, someone who runs away when someone shows up in local surely wasn't in a position/fitting to fight anyway and wouldn't put up the challenge one seeks from PvP. The disadvantages far outweighs the advantages.
How about this as an alternative: Give cloaky ships the ability to drop from local at the expense of having no local themselves and removing on board scanner, thus relying on probes entirely? |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
159
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:54:00 -
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Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.
Removing local would destroy pvp... QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
88
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:04:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.
Removing local would destroy pvp...
Opinions vary just like attitudes. Why do you think it would kill PvP? Maybe you could expand on that instead of trying to be some internet tough guy.
I personally think it would help because people would engage more instead of saying the other fleet has too many. To often people will just stay docked instead of even trying because they got free intel on numbers of the opposing fleet.
I realize it would actually take some effort for people to go find/avoid targets. I think it would promote more communication and pull more people into fleets. Many are afraid of the unknown and I understand that but the free intel local gives just waters down Eve PvP IMO. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
639
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:50:00 -
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Shepard Book wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.
Removing local would destroy pvp... Opinions vary just like attitudes. Why do you think it would kill PvP? Maybe you could expand on that instead of trying to be some internet tough guy. I personally think it would help because people would engage more instead of saying the other fleet has too many. To often people will just stay docked instead of even trying because they got free intel on numbers of the opposing fleet. I realize it would actually take some effort for people to go find/avoid targets. I think it would promote more communication and pull more people into fleets. Many are afraid of the unknown and I understand that but the free intel local gives just waters down Eve PvP IMO.
You realize it would take more effort to find fights. So you sort of answer your own question. Lots of people in this game want more frequent pvp not less frequent pvp.
Thats a big reason worm hole space is so sparsely populated.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
88
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:56:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Shepard Book wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.
Removing local would destroy pvp... Opinions vary just like attitudes. Why do you think it would kill PvP? Maybe you could expand on that instead of trying to be some internet tough guy. I personally think it would help because people would engage more instead of saying the other fleet has too many. To often people will just stay docked instead of even trying because they got free intel on numbers of the opposing fleet. I realize it would actually take some effort for people to go find/avoid targets. I think it would promote more communication and pull more people into fleets. Many are afraid of the unknown and I understand that but the free intel local gives just waters down Eve PvP IMO. You realize it would take more effort to find fights. So you sort of answer your own question. Lots of people in this game want more frequent pvp not less frequent pvp. Thats a big reason worm hole space is so sparsely populated.
I disagree. I appreciate your input though. |
Kazim Scumling
Judge Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:32:00 -
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Cearain wrote:You realize it would take more effort to find fights. So you sort of answer your own question. Lots of people in this game want more frequent pvp not less frequent pvp.
Thats a big reason worm hole space is so sparsely populated.
There are many reasons which makes wormhole space less populated. I believe not having local is not one of the major ones.
Compared to
1. Not having static entrance and/or exit, 2. Practically not supporting capital ships 3. No sovereignty 4. Not having NPC stations. 5. Not having easy to kill rats.
Local Chat is seriously not that of a big issue.
I don't think not having local chat will increase or decrease the PvP amount at 0.0. It will just change the ways how we PvP. |
Juliade
Purging Maelstrom Villore Accords
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:42:00 -
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I propose this then: Use similar mechanics to the GCC flag. Entering grids of Stargates and Stations marks you on local. Warping away and staying off grid for 15 minutes makes you invisible in local since the comms system just assumes you are gone because of lack of communication. D-Scanning someone puts you on local *for scanned people only* (except for probes since they don't show ownership). Talking in local also makes you visible. Input? |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
161
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:08:00 -
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It's so obvious to anyone who actually PvP's with any frequency I didn't really think I needed to expand on it. Local is a tool, it's a tool to get PvP. Without it the solo pilot is ******, without it the roaming gang is nearly pointless, without it people will be less inclined to PvP because it would be much more work to find targets. Now if the only PvP you experience is blob warfare over structures like in null, then yeah I can see why you would want to get rid of it...however that's not PvP to most of us, not even close.
Another point is removing local will just protect those who do not want to PvP. I'm never interested in anything that will protect carebears, not at all. Seriously if you want to avoid PvP you should just stay in high sec or a worm hole. The brilliance of this game is the risk involved in everything you do, particularly outside of high sec. Without that this game would be like every other **** MMO out there.
Personally I typically specialize in fighting outnumbered and outgunned, there is nothing more enjoyable to me then killing **** while being blobbed and getting away. Without proper intelligence (local) I could never do that. Analyzing the risk (getting blown up) vs the reward (getting killmails) requires things like local to properly determine whether to engage or not, especially when alone. Blob warfare would even be affected, in that case one blob running from another blob would be able to get away without issue due to no local. Again this would be mitigated in null do to bubbles and so forth, but again most of us find null warfare dreadfully boring, and a bit more like pseudo PvP then real PvP.
Local is THE primary catalyst for creating PvP in Eve, removing it would be one of the dumbest thing CCP has ever done...and that's saying a lot :)
Shepard Book wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.
Removing local would destroy pvp... Opinions vary just like attitudes. Why do you think it would kill PvP? Maybe you could expand on that instead of trying to be some internet tough guy. I personally think it would help because people would engage more instead of saying the other fleet has too many. To often people will just stay docked instead of even trying because they got free intel on numbers of the opposing fleet. I realize it would actually take some effort for people to go find/avoid targets. I think it would promote more communication and pull more people into fleets. Many are afraid of the unknown and I understand that but the free intel local gives just waters down Eve PvP IMO.
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
639
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:09:00 -
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Shepard Book wrote:Cearain wrote:Shepard Book wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.
Removing local would destroy pvp... Opinions vary just like attitudes. Why do you think it would kill PvP? Maybe you could expand on that instead of trying to be some internet tough guy. I personally think it would help because people would engage more instead of saying the other fleet has too many. To often people will just stay docked instead of even trying because they got free intel on numbers of the opposing fleet. I realize it would actually take some effort for people to go find/avoid targets. I think it would promote more communication and pull more people into fleets. Many are afraid of the unknown and I understand that but the free intel local gives just waters down Eve PvP IMO. You realize it would take more effort to find fights. So you sort of answer your own question. Lots of people in this game want more frequent pvp not less frequent pvp. Thats a big reason worm hole space is so sparsely populated. I disagree. I appreciate your input though.
Have you ever been in something like faction war looking for fights? If you have you would know how important checking local is to find fights. In things like faction war people actually want to pvp its not like the "hunting" you find everywhere else in eve. I think this is what people who live in wormholes and want no local everywhere don't seem to understand.
The number of pvp kills per person is way lower in wormholes. In fact its the lowest for any sec area other than high sec. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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