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Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:19:00 -
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I am currently trying to save up for a cruiser, but in the mean time I am getting kind of bored with my catalyst. I had thought about downsizing to a frigate and learning how to manuever and fight close. I am only doing missions at the moment. Level 1 sisters of eve missions mainly. I have been running a catalyst with 8 meta 4 125mm rail guns, but it gets kind of boring just picking off rats with one, or a few shots with little effort. I am not ready for PVP yet though.
So, I am trying to figure out how I should outfit and use a fast frigate. I was thinking about using an incursus, but I am not sure about what guns to use. Should I go for blasters or rails? and also what size should I run. I also could use some fitting advice.
Also if ditching my catalyst for a incursus would greatly hurt my ability to earn isk for a cruiser and is a really dumb idea let me know lol! |
Adolfina Hitlerion
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:20:00 -
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Antonio Steele wrote:I am currently trying to save up for a cruiser, but in the mean time I am getting kind of bored with my catalyst. I had thought about downsizing to a frigate and learning how to manuever and fight close. I am only doing missions at the moment. Level 1 sisters of eve missions mainly. I have been running a catalyst with 8 meta 4 125mm rail guns, but it gets kind of boring just picking off rats with one, or a few shots with little effort. I am not ready for PVP yet though.
So, I am trying to figure out how I should outfit and use a fast frigate. I was thinking about using an incursus, but I am not sure about what guns to use. Should I go for blasters or rails? and also what size should I run. I also could use some fitting advice.
Also if ditching my catalyst for a incursus would greatly hurt my ability to earn isk for a cruiser and is a really dumb idea let me know lol!
Take kestrel, good missile boat and beautyful explosion. |
SevenBitBrian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:35:00 -
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Honestly, with the SoE arc the majority of it, if not all of it, is going to be boring and easy in a Frigate just as well as a Destroyer. I'd suggest looking up Eve University, they have some good starter fittings and can help train you up so when you are ready to get into PvP you can leave with the basic knowledge you'll need to survive and get into a corp that's PvP focused. You can also check out fitting on BattleClinic and see what you have the skills to fit now and what you should be training to fit. http://flydangerouseve.blogspot.com/ |
Jesuis Cache-Cache
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:41:00 -
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If you are "saving" up for a ship, then I fear you may setting yourself up for a disappointment. I am quite new myself, but to have a mind set of saving for a ship that you could potentially lose at ANY moment, is not a solid financial state to be in.
My personal rule of thumb is..."If I can't afford to buy 10 of them, I am not ready for them." "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
~ Rich Cook |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:56:00 -
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Afterburner + Gallente Frigate + Blasters
short range weapons so you need the speed to manouver, L1's are a cinch in a frigate so you shouldnt have any issues there either, and the AB will form most of your tank.
throw on a small armour repairer and damage control, and youll only need to watch cap usage while repping.
the whole setup will be dirt cheap, unless you insist on Meta4 mods and then it's just cheap, which is more expensive than dirt-cheap. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:47:00 -
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Jesuis Cache-Cache wrote:If you are "saving" up for a ship, then I fear you may setting yourself up for a disappointment. I am quite new myself, but to have a mind set of saving for a ship that you could potentially lose at ANY moment, is not a solid financial state to be in.
My personal rule of thumb is..."If I can't afford to buy 10 of them, I am not ready for them."
^ Great attitude.
Rule 1: Don't fly what you can't afford to loose (doesn't have to mean you should have the ISK to replace it, but just agree that you can loose the ship the second you undock it).
As for OP:
Don't fall for the trap of saying you are not ready for PvP.
99% of the people in EVE say I need xxx.xxx.xxx SP before I can PvP or I need xxx.xxx.xxx ISK before I can PvP. And each single time they change the numbers that they filled in on the x's.
You are ready when you want to PvP. A 2 day old character can fly tackle frigates. So it's not something in game that says you are ready for PvP, it's your own goal and attitude.
Sure as a new player you can't fly that T2 cruiser, sure you can't do as much DPS as that 4 year old vet next to you in the fleet. But as long as you have fun while playing EVE, you are doing it right.
Just buy some ships that are in your price range, fit them up and go out and shoot others (and of course be shot at and die a couple of times - hence why you buy ships in your price range). Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:31:00 -
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SevenBitBrian wrote:Honestly, with the SoE arc the majority of it, if not all of it, is going to be boring and easy in a Frigate just as well as a Destroyer. I'd suggest looking up Eve University, they have some good starter fittings and can help train you up so when you are ready to get into PvP you can leave with the basic knowledge you'll need to survive and get into a corp that's PvP focused. You can also check out fitting on BattleClinic and see what you have the skills to fit now and what you should be training to fit.
I would suggest not looking up EVE University.
At the risk of sound like a ****, dont get me wrong E-UNI and RvB have had a big influence on a lot of peoples gameplay and have built a rep for themself, the problem stands with the fact its the blind leading the blind.
Mindless blobbing with 10 ECM ships is not going to teach anyone, anything, ever.
If you want to learn how to fit a ship properly, grab EFT and make logical fits, if you want to learn how to pvp take logic steps and procedures.
Grab ship, kerboom. Repeat. |
Charles Burger
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:04:00 -
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Gibbo5771 wrote:Mindless blobbing with 10 ECM ships is not going to teach anyone, anything, ever.
Agreed, and that is one reason ECM is not allowed in RvB. Except against 3rd party war targets of course.
Incidentally RvB is not an educational establishment like E-UNI is. Sure we offer assistance and help to newbies. But generally if you want to learn PVP with RvB, it will be in at the deep end style.
Who cares if it's the blind leading the blind, as long as all those blind people are having a laugh? If you think we're doing it "wrong" then I suggest you look up sandbox in a dictionary.
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Esruc 'Sadim
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:54:00 -
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As far as fitting goes get EFT. Then consider the tactics you want to use. Pick a mod or two that fit into that role and build the rest of the ship to support it. Insert something witty and clever here |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:49:00 -
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Gibbo5771 wrote:SevenBitBrian wrote:Honestly, with the SoE arc the majority of it, if not all of it, is going to be boring and easy in a Frigate just as well as a Destroyer. I'd suggest looking up Eve University, they have some good starter fittings and can help train you up so when you are ready to get into PvP you can leave with the basic knowledge you'll need to survive and get into a corp that's PvP focused. You can also check out fitting on BattleClinic and see what you have the skills to fit now and what you should be training to fit. I would suggest not looking up EVE University. At the risk of sound like a ****, dont get me wrong E-UNI and RvB have had a big influence on a lot of peoples gameplay and have built a rep for themself, the problem stands with the fact its the blind leading the blind. Mindless blobbing with 10 ECM ships is not going to teach anyone, anything, ever. If you want to learn how to fit a ship properly, grab EFT and make logical fits, if you want to learn how to pvp take logic steps and procedures. Grab ship, kerboom. Repeat.
Mindless blobbing with 10 ECM ships is an absolute hilarious way to **** off enemy fleets though. |
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Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:14:00 -
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well, I got really lucky and got a L1 mission that resulted in looting some high end gear including multiple battleship sized items. Got several million, and now I am flying a Vexor. Insurance covers most of the cost, and I can easily afford my fittings (Not much different in cost from losing my catalyst lol). I have decent drone skills because I planned ahead. I got 3 sets of 4 light drones (drone skill only 4 right now) and one set of 4 medium drones for heavier targets. I fitted an afterburner of course, along with a cap recharge enhancing thingy, and a shield extender until I figure out a better 3rd mid slot. I threw a explosion resist and multi-resist armor mods on the low slots along with a repairer and damage control. I'm packing 4 dual 150mm rails since they are dirt cheap and are the most viable for level 1 missions. I also threw a drone range boosting thing in my 5th slot.
Don't worry, I can afford to lose it, and I stay strictly in high sec and will for quite a while, and I also avoid auto pilot so that will lessen my chances of dying, but I am prepared if I do. |
Ferahgo
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.
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Posted - 2012.11.06 07:19:00 -
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You can autopilot high sec just fine (just make sure you don't autopilot .4 and below). And the vexor is an excellent ship, very good choice :). However, gallente is primarily an armor tanking race (some ships can go shield, but you never ever want to combine the two). Armor and drone dps in lows, and for mediums you can use stasis webs/target painters/sensor booster in middle. And one cap recharge won't be as helpful as a medium capacitor battery. |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:23:00 -
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Ferahgo wrote:You can autopilot high sec just fine (just make sure you don't autopilot .4 and below). And the vexor is an excellent ship, very good choice :). However, gallente is primarily an armor tanking race (some ships can go shield, but you never ever want to combine the two). Armor and drone dps in lows, and for mediums you can use stasis webs/target painters/sensor booster in middle. And one cap recharge won't be as helpful as a medium capacitor battery.
Yeah, I know gallante are armor tanks, like I said the shield extender is just a spot filler for the moment. I would use a webifier, but I typically don't get close enough to be able to use one. I don't know much about target painters or sensor boosters so I'll read up on those.
As far as capacitor batteries I guess I missed the capacity boost when looking at the stats and got the idea they were only good for energy leech defense, which I thought seemed odd. I'll see about getting one, but maybe not. It all depends on how much cap I eat. My catalyst had more cap issues, and I just swapped the cap recharge from that since it wasn't size dependant.
So, I think I need to work out 2 mid slot choices. As far as low slots, If I change anything for drone DPS I would need to do away with damage control or my repair drone, and I like to always have a repair drone on hand just incase, though I hardly ever need it for missions. Damage control is probably the most expendable as it gives a marginal boost to armor and shield resists, takes cap, and I typically don't bother turning it on. It also provides 50% resist for structure which is good for a last ditch defense while you run away, but I guess I could do away with it. |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.08 06:16:00 -
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After spending some time in my new vexor, I realized that it was taking much longer to do level 1 missions than when I had a smaller ship. I came across the EFT program and played with it until I found a good fitting for an incursus, and I am going thought level 1 missions faster than my catalyst, and having more fun as well.
I went with 3 neutron blasters with an assortment of ammo options depending on situation, A meta 3 afterburner, a webifier to hold down targets, a multi-spectral ECM to make it even harder to hit my already hard to hit ship, and for the low fittings I went for meta 4 Nano adaptive plating, meta 4 energized explosive plating, a 200mm rolled tungsten armor plate, and a meta 4 overdrive. I also have to mention that the speed penalty from the armor plating is rather negligible, especially when you look at the fact that you get a little over 500 more armor HP, and with about 50% resists all around on the armor that is more like adding 1000 HP
With this setup I max out at 1025 m/s and orbit at around 1000m from my target. My guns deal a great deal of damage per volley and often 1 hit mission rats.
I also have only about 100 less effective HP than my catalyst with this setup having 3053 effective HP. The only advantage the catalyst has is range, but even with it's range it still takes longer to run a mission, especially when I need to collect my loot. Also, with the speed I have I can close the gap very quickly.
I think my setup could be considered a speed/ passive armor tank
I just thought I'd post this update so other noobies can see that rushing for a cruiser isn't as amazing as you think. I will still use my cruiser when I need to later on, and I'm happy I bought it, but honestly a well fitted frigate suits me much better at this point in time and is a lot of fun. Also, like I mentioned it beats out my catalyst and can survive better with only 100 less HP, but is A LOT harder to hit. |
Esruc 'Sadim
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.08 07:57:00 -
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Put a damage control on there and swap out the hardeners for rat specific ones. You will do even better Insert something witty and clever here |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:13:00 -
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Antonio Steele wrote:I just thought I'd post this update so other noobies can see that rushing for a cruiser isn't as amazing as you think. Bigger is not always better. While bigger guns do have some bigger raw numbers, they also:
- Are more expensive
- Are slower, both in speed and agility
- Have more trouble hitting smaller stuff
- Have larger signature radius (are easier to target/hit)
Congrats on the discovery! It's not very obvious to most newbies. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:17:00 -
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Focus on the excellent Gallente frigate line for those Lv 1s as those ships will be useful for quite a bit of your career and the training will lead you into their excellent cruiser line. With the recent blaster fix, you see a lot of players "going green' as it were.
I wouldn't worry about your low skill points and finding a player corp. The fact that you're actively posting here displays a passion for the game and a willingness to learn. Those qualities are more valuable than SPs to most recruiters. Quality Assurance RECRUITING OPEN |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.09 05:16:00 -
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I might actually end up going for an assault frigate. It will be a while before that happens, but I did some experimenting in EFT and found I could fit an inyo to be tougher, faster, and deal more damage than my vexor. However, I could buy a battlecruiser for the price of one lol. It will be a while before I can afford, and afford to lose a ship that costly, and will take at least 2-3 weeks of training to get the skill requirements. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:30:00 -
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Why are you not running lvl 2 or 3's by now? |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:50:00 -
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Archdaimon wrote:Why are you not running lvl 2 or 3's by now?
Because I have only been playing for a couple weeks lol. It takes longer than that to skill up, and get the isk for that stuff. I have only gotten as far as cruisers in ship progression. It will take some time even though keep my skill queue constantly busy. |
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Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:41:00 -
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Antonio Steele, welcome to EVE!
I love your attitude and I know you'll do great things in the game.
If you ever start feeling like things are too easy take some chances! You can give a level 2 mission a whirl already if you feel up to it but don't feel pressured into it. Level 2 missions aren't that huge of a jump in difficulty from level 1 missions. And, you can always run away from the mission if it causes you difficulties.
Another thing to look into is exploration if that interests you are all. If not, don't bother :)
I think you've hit upon the beauty that is EVE Online - the open endedness for the player to decide how they want to play.
As an aside, I would suggest taking screenshots from time to time (I think F12 hides the interface) 'cause it's fun to look back and see where you came from. |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:59:00 -
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Yeah, I tried the exploration tutorials and found scanning down signatures rather annoying. It takes forever and is difficult to place everything just right. I would rather be doing security missions.
Maybe I will try doing level 2 missions with my vexor. I recently have found that my speedy little frigate is still rather vulnerable if I get in the middle of a swarm. Especially the sansha goons you meet in one mission, although I had a choice to avoid them, I just chose to try to fight lol. I won, but had to retreat once and took a real beating. |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.11 01:17:00 -
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Did some level 2 missions for sisters of eve with my vexor. They take a really long time, and the drones are annoying. The worst part is all the frigates flying around that I can't hit, and that my drone pack that can hit them takes too long.
I tried running a mission in my frigate I mentioned before, and I got hammered right at the start and had to run. I am debating on looking into a thorax. Everyone seems to thing that the vexor is the best gallante missioning cruiser, but I don't see it, and I am starting to see that I don't like drones.
And fyi, I chose Gallante race based on values so don't knock me for going gallante and hating drones. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.11.11 03:11:00 -
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There's no such thing as downsizing. Every ship has its role. Just because you can fly a cruiser, does not mean you stop flying destroyers and frigates. Amarr Militia |
Esruc 'Sadim
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.11 03:28:00 -
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I pulled out a breacher for the first time today. Man that little thing was fun! Built with paper mache' and recycled aluminum, fast as all get out and rockets! Rockets are new to me too. I would love to see a 1000 breacher roaming through null blowing up random bullsh!t. Nothing to do with op...but no drones & good times...try it out man Insert something witty and clever here |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.11 03:44:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:There's no such thing as downsizing. Every ship has its role. Just because you can fly a cruiser, does not mean you stop flying destroyers and frigates.
This thread has changed from the original post if you read the thread you will see. This has become more like a log of my nooby adventure of choosing ships lol! |
Sog Ardun
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.12 03:55:00 -
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Antonio Steele wrote:Archdaimon wrote:Why are you not running lvl 2 or 3's by now? Because I have only been playing for a couple weeks lol. It takes longer than that to skill up, and get the isk for that stuff. I have only gotten as far as cruisers in ship progression. It will take some time even though keep my skill queue constantly busy.
I also have only been playing for a couple weeks. Still, I have more than 100 million ISK in bank (and more on sale or militia LP). I started running lvl 2s after one week on my catalyst and stopped missioning just afterwards going for FW or on PVP fleets with an Atron ever since (and no I haven't skilled for cruisers).
I'm not saying that for bragging rights but just to show you that you are wrong in your statement. Doing just lvl 1 missions is limiting yourself. Anybody can do lvl 2 missions (well you need to have enough loyalty to have access to them first). And you definetly can do some PvP in FW and get money from Plexing. Sure I died a lot more (and I learned a lot from those deaths) but it sure as hell is more fun than missions IMO (even if you prefer missioning you should still do lvl 2s with a frig or a destroyer).
The main difference between you and me was that I already knew a bit from the game when I started and where I wanted to go and was ready to take some calculated risks.
Using a catalyst, an incursus or an atron all work for PvP/Plexing. It is your choice to make. Even someone with less than 500k SP can kill most pilots camping a gate with a blaster catalyst as an example ... or just farm a complex.
Surely, you have less choices as a new player but at the end of the day, you can learn any playstyle as early as you want because getting experience as a player is far more important than the SP your char get in PvP. |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.12 21:24:00 -
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Sog Ardun wrote:Antonio Steele wrote:Archdaimon wrote:Why are you not running lvl 2 or 3's by now? Because I have only been playing for a couple weeks lol. It takes longer than that to skill up, and get the isk for that stuff. I have only gotten as far as cruisers in ship progression. It will take some time even though keep my skill queue constantly busy. I also have only been playing for a couple weeks. Still, I have more than 100 million ISK in bank (and more on sale or militia LP). I started running lvl 2s after one week on my catalyst and stopped missioning just afterwards going for FW or on PVP fleets with an Atron ever since (and no I haven't skilled for cruisers). I'm not saying that for bragging rights but just to show you that you are wrong in your statement. Doing just lvl 1 missions is limiting yourself. Anybody can do lvl 2 missions (well you need to have enough loyalty to have access to them first). And you definetly can do some PvP in FW and get money from Plexing. Sure I died a lot more (and I learned a lot from those deaths) but it sure as hell is more fun than missions IMO (even if you prefer missioning you should still do lvl 2s with a frig or a destroyer). The main difference between you and me was that I already knew a bit from the game when I started and where I wanted to go and was ready to take some calculated risks. Using a catalyst, an incursus or an atron all work for PvP/Plexing. It is your choice to make. Even someone with less than 500k SP can kill most pilots camping a gate with a blaster catalyst as an example ... or just farm a complex. Surely, you have less choices as a new player but at the end of the day, you can learn any playstyle as early as you want because getting experience as a player is far more important than the SP your char get in PvP.
I thought you meant Tier 2 ships lol! I have done some Level 2 missions, but one particular one always kicks my butt. It's called "Mission of Mercy"
I am now doing the Sisters of eve epic arc in an incursus fitted for armor and speed tank with 3 neutron blasters. Working well so far. |
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