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Cochise
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Cochise on 11/04/2005 13:53:28
The PA Point of view:
We have a NAP with FOE, G-Alliance and IMP. Each of these alliances have been allies to the PA. All of them have former PA Member corps in their ranks. All of them have helped the PA at some time in the past.
We are grateful to all of them for this. We consider many of the membership in their given alliances our friends.
FE was a big help to us in the past, They decided to form FOE with some old friends from the former CA. Because FE was at plus 10 to PA and helped in the GNW we decided with little banter to accept a NAP with the new FOE.
Over the last couple months FOE has ganked a huge number of PA ships in FOE space. Because of the friendship we felt with a lot of them, we chose to overlooked this.
Then G attacks FOE. The PA Leadership decides to stay out of what would be a messy scenario and we told both G and FOE this. We made it clear to G that they were not to use PA space to attack FOE. They agreed and honored this request.
FOE then tells us to not fly in FOE space. We agree and honored this to the tune of about 99%. I admit we have a few rogues that just donÆt listen but hey thatÆs life. FOE also had their rogues and they flew in PA space. Big deal right.
Then FOE tells us PA is now KOS in FOE space.
I told Foyle that if they see a PA in FOE space to shoot him down. She agreed and replied the same.
Next Corp 1 shoots down a PA and Pod in Pure Blind. (Not FOE space.)
Then Friday FOE attack HPA 2 times in the same night.
Then Saturday a FOE member gives us an ultimatum. I quote:
Balistic Void > hi Raven DeBlade > hi Balistic Void > are you willing to negotiate with me? Raven DeBlade > negotiate? Balistic Void > i represent FoE with our leaders backing Balistic Void > we demand that you withdraw support from our enemy G alliance Balistic Void > what do you say? Balistic Void > we were your allies first Raven DeBlade > we arent supporting them Raven DeBlade > ill make a chan and invite cochise Balistic Void > u must break your nap and ally with us Balistic Void > no other ppl Balistic Void > you now have 10 minutes Balistic Void > we aren't in the mood to chat right now Balistic Void > but im giving you one last chance
Then we are later told that we cant fly through UMI-KK so as per FOE we cant go to EMPIRE at all.
G-Alliance asked us to help them and to be honest since FOE decided to demand we take a side we did. We chose G-Alliance and thatÆs all there is to it.
FOE in their own way declared war against PA. I guess the reason is that I and the PA refuse to have anyone dictate to us who we call friends and who we call enemies. It is also the general consensus of the PA that friends or allies or those you NAP with donÆt shoot at you.
To our old friends in FOE we tried to keep this sane but I doubt you would accept any demands from us if we were to be so lame as to try and tell you what to do, so there you go.
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Amos Sommers
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:57:00 -
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Please... pwn FoE I've been waiting for them to make a dumb move like that for a while now
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 11/04/2005 14:05:36 no dumb move im afraid.
i see your point of veiw cochise. but look at it from ours. Hostiles growing in the north towards us, we witness a g force attack us and then move into venal to escape us. we cant give chase. they did that many times. and PA didnt do anything.
PA still had a large number of people entering our space when we asked them not to enter. because of this lack of respect for our laws it was decided to make pa kos in our space but still respect the NAP outside of it.
im not sure of the incident with a pa hauler though.
then the other night we went into fade and your combined force of g/iron/pa followed us in. a standoff for an hour occured. we had orders right up until then not to fire on PA.
an alliance this close to the conflict shouldnt stay out of it ;) You chose the wrong side.
This has been a gradual outcome of a tense build up. FoE will no be subdued by the agressors of the north (g/pa etc)
***personal view on the new war***
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christoforos
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:51:00 -
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Max, you got the sequence of events a little wrong. Even if the hauler in Pure Blind was a mistake, a FoE fleet has attacked venal, Friday to Saturday night. 2005.04.09 02:28:00
Victim: fugazii Corporation: Forsaken Empire Destroyed Type: Apocalypse Solar System: H-PA29 System Security Level: 0.0
Ballistic Void has declared the ultimatum on us on Saturday afternoon. We teamed up with G and IRON in Fade after that and after talks between PA and FoE leaderships, that showed that there was little room for negotiation, since you wanted to force us to choose who our friends are, under the threat of war and you even threatened us to not pass through UMI-KK. Closing UMI-KK is a reason for war, by itself.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:59:00 -
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Should be an interesting conflict. GL to both sides, but on a personal note i hope FOE flattern PA/G :) Reverend Necrona |
Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.04.11 15:07:00 -
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Dood they need to shoot something, they should have shot you ages ago, you're nice and close.
I personally think FE only napped with you guys because the were weak at the time (read: playing lineage 2 and those left had enough to deal with), PA nap'd out of fear dont bring friendship into this, if i remember correctly PA was mostly made of anti priate corps at the tiem (kia, nsn, blades etc) and you nap'd with the biggest pirate alliance in the game because you didnt want to deal witht he whopin the nva got.
You cant go around being buddy buddy with everyone and expect to go unattacked, eve is a dog eat dog world, you're either a hunter or the hunted
I cant believe im gonna say this but
GOGOGOGO FOE
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Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2005.04.11 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rodney Munch on 11/04/2005 15:26:32 Cochise's post translated into a quick and easily readable post. -
"Whaaaa why you shootin us, please dont, we dont like being shot at. We're really sorry that we had some ships fly in your space, if you see them again blow them up. Whaaaa whaaaaa puuuuuuuhlease dont shoot at us Mr FoE guys, we're the innocent ones."
Great way to run your alliance huh, shoot at our alliance members thats fine, but please dont goto war with us.
Grow some balls for god sakes.
Anyway, /me grabs his pom poms.
Gimme an "F", gimme an "o", gimme an "E".
Gooooooo FoE.
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skygrazer
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Posted - 2005.04.11 15:34:00 -
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Funny how G always seem to be on the run....just an observation
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.04.11 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 11/04/2005 17:40:44 removed
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.04.11 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Foyle on 11/04/2005 16:55:14
FOEÆs Official Reply.
While FOE and PA at one point were utilizing each others space, it became increasingly complicated to let it continue.
Your nap with G, and IRON is your prerogative; however when PA members come to FOE space and are in the same system a large battle is going on, that crosses the line. After it became clear that there was no good judgement made by your members in these situations we then told you that your members will be flying in our space at their own risk.
Then your members started putting up mobile warp bubbles in P3EN-E. The were removed once I contacted you.
We napped with ATUK, that put you into anti BOB mode and just assumed we had naps with all of the corps who use to be in ôBOBö. Several times I told you, ATUK nap consisted of 5 corporations, 4 of which were at +10 since the creation of FOE. ATUK nap is our prerogative. But you wanted to then shoot them in our space. That was NOT acceptable to me. All though ATUK doesnÆt come to our space, I had to insist that if they did come here, your alliance was not to shoot them. To my knowledge that promise could not be made.
Due to war and NAP conflicts, the demand was made for PA not to enter our space, and I placed an order for FOE members not to enter PA space. There was still no order to shoot any PA members in our space.
3 weeks pass and the problem did not resolve it self on that demand. You still had members coming through our space. Yet in all that time, I never once got an evemail saying I had any members disregarding orders and entering PA space. That really angered my pilots.
The KOS order went into effect, any PA pilots entering FOE space and its protectorates would be shot down...........................................THEN I got an evemail from Raven accusing me of allowing Evolution to come through our space to attack PA. Which is absolutely BS. We had one sighting of Evol in OBE all though we couldnÆt catch him that night, he had no permission to come through our space and we have no agreement or nap with them. You didnÆt believe me. Eh fine. You went as far to say that FOE paid an Evol pilot to replace his BS for friendly fire; not correct, and if someone paid him to replace his BS, I would like the name of the pilot, because they didnÆt represent FOE in that transaction.
As far as posting a chat log, itÆs ghey, its lame, and I wont ever enter into a chat with you again now that you have entered into that realm of gheyism. Leaders should never do that, it removes that trust level that still remained prior to war.
OMG this post is long and boring.. Just have fun with the war, I know my guys will.
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Zdragva
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Posted - 2005.04.11 16:54:00 -
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Well to be blatantly honest there is very little point imo about getting all upset over relationships with Force of Evil disintegrating. Some guy wrote about 'everlasting peace' and he was spot on. Im not saying FoE were dishonest or lied or anything like that im just saying that as the head or whatever of PA you must have realised exactly how difficult forming formal 'pacts' with FoE would be, especially over a long time. and then to be shocked and upset or angry afterwards, wft? Thats like being amazed when night falls.
This though is what grabbed my attention; "we witness a g force attack us and then move into venal to escape us. we cant give chase. they did that many times. " HOW MANY of you in G alliance were absolutley fuming when ATUK did this to you? How many called it the lamest tactics, disgusting, and denounced it as shocking? Then to go do it yourselves? I dont know if it true or not, and I never will, but the more I read the more I wonder about just what the hell is going on with you guys. Shocking, if its true, absolutly disgusting.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 11/04/2005 17:15:28
Okay bare with me this is going to be hard
Ummm I cheer "go PA go!"
(but I hope that G and Imperium get flattened by FOE before PA ultimately destroy FOE would be my ideal result)
Not liking any of the territorial alliances in the north makes deciding who to cheer for difficult but since FOE have always been the bad guys they are probably the lesser evil to G. (though G and Imperium definately deserve to die as well)
PA however have been trustworthy in my eyes recently since the end of the Northern War and some of their members are nice to talk to while hunting gurristas so praise where its due.
(Of course this is just my personal opinion and shouldn't be taken as representing my alliance policy in any way.)
If Star Fraction leaders could post I bet they'd say "reactionary imperialism leads to a climate of enduring betrayal and continuous diplomatic compromise" (or something really clever like that).
I'm a bit simpler and just say "murder each other bad guys and lets hope one day the north gets an alliance that doesn't consider backstabbing and xenophobia the finest coin of state."
(and have fun!)
Star Fraction
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:21:00 -
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G alliance shouldn't be flattered at all, They are a worthy opponent, but not the reason this war has commenced.
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 11/04/2005 17:41:12 removed
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 11/04/2005 17:39:13 Lucian please stop commenting on things you know absolutley nothing about.
i understand your interest in the political climate of Eve, but dont spread rumours that are untrue.
your latest post also bases itself on democracy, an important flaw in your opinions
Democracy doesnt work in this game, as long as you have 1 or a small group of capable leaders, you will not go wrong.
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 11/04/2005 17:39:13 Lucian please stop commenting on things you know absolutley nothing about.
i understand your interest in the political climate of Eve, but dont spread rumours that are untrue.
your latest post also bases itself on democracy, an important flaw in your opinions
Democracy doesnt work in this game, as long as you have 1 or a small group of capable leaders, you will not go wrong.
STOP THE PRESSES!!
Maxsuicide made a nice post with no flames and it was right on the isk!!
Thanks Max!
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 11/04/2005 17:46:21
you may continue to praise me. If you wish.
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:48:00 -
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3 weeks ago we were all buddy buddy, I was up in Venal doing Guristas missions () with PA. Things have degenerated rapidly since then. Don't make me out to be the bad guy, I was one of the few FoE member's trying to give PA a chance.
The main blame lies with ROMANIA RENEGADES corp. These guys have been out to sabotage our NAP for months. There have been too many incidents to list. They would use PAs access to FoE space to feed intel to our enemies. Several times they were seen flying with enemy fleets in Pure Blind. The list goes on. And no I didn't keep evidence, we aren't a democracy and we don't need to justify our actions to anyone.
As for friendly fire incidents, most of them were due to PA stupidity. They would accept a new member corp to their alliance, then that new member corp would fly through P3 and get owned. Why? Because we didn't have them set to +ve. All FoE corps would need to set them to +ve which would require the attention of directors in each and every corp. Not a trivial task. PA just automatically assumed that our friendly pirates would take the time to click show info and notice the Phoenix Alliance entry. Whereas in reality if a ship isn't blue our guys will gank it instantly (official policy). When the alliance standings fix comes in this problem will go away, too late now tho I recall some corps were smart enough to convo us first before jumping into P3, and our leaders would take the time to make sure everyone know that "randomminingcorp" were new PA members, and should be set to +ve and allowed to pass. The amount of work required, and the amount of alliance spam to "NOT SHOOT randomPAminingcorp" really ****ed our guys off. Far easier for us to just shoot you.
I for one welcome our new EVOL neighbours and look forward to rounding up ex-PA to work in their underground ferrogel mines.
BTW posting high-level diplomatic comms is extremely lame and universally frowned upon. Most people have the cop to use an alt to post stuff like that. Your career as a diplomat is over.
(w000t Jade is posting again! C'mon Jade that post was sooo short! You can do much better!)
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:54:00 -
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Hah! If you think you'd get such a simple post out of my cousin you've got another thing coming. I'm much simpler and just like blowing things up. If you wanna see the real deal ranter in the family go post something contentious on the star fraction forums cos the dragon still lives if you dare wake it
Star Fraction
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C4w3
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:58:00 -
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Official reply.
The times are changing the north is growing hot.
We asked PA to choose side they did, we¦w always had fun fighting G and will keep fighting G and PA ..... Think we all saw this comming and hopefully it will be a blast.
FoE stand towards diplomacy and politics are and will always be WTFM8TE****THAT****.
Have the best of days and Chill
C4w3 High Commander FoE Forces Foyle Bright Queen of FoE Forces Marichek Evil Mind FoE Forces
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.04.11 19:20:00 -
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Quite frankly i wouldnt put it past Haos, had some real problems with them while they were in FU, why they were kicked in the first place. ---------------
RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.04.11 20:27:00 -
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These thread make me burst out with laughter.
Think ill just paste what i wrote on the GODS forum.
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Both ******* sides are as bad as each other geeze.
OK clarity of purposes POS was being removed under the agrement when FOE was to leave PA space (the POS pre dated clarities joning FOE).
FOE hates PA:
PA makes no objection to allowing IRON(Exodus/venture) ect to go into tenal and destroy the POS within this time period yet when FOE come across hostile of ours but friendly to PA we havnt fired on them.
Lots of PA STILL using our space when it was made clear we stay the **** out of each others space untill this war with G dies off.
Destruction of a few FOE ships and corps like ASW giving intel to our hostiles then trying to camp with FOE.
You cant be ******* friends with everyone ..............................................................................................................
PA hates FOE:
Multiple PA ships destroyed freindly fire incidents mainly to do with standings ( PA dosnt seem to update us on standings TBH alot with new corps but some corps also slow to update)
PPL not staying the **** out of PA space especialy Phantom squad who sed to reside there as friends of the PA prior to joining FOE.
FOE trying to make PA "pick sides" with the G war.
FOE alliying with one of there greater past enermies ATUK. Yet exspecting PA to pick sides.
The "rougue" attack on H-PA that started the War full scale.
Have i missed anything?
Also PA's external intell giving sucks donkey balls, FOE internal sucks donkey balls to.
Got many Freinds in FOE and in PA as an EX member of both and it sadens me to see all this stuff happening :/ ----------------------------------------------
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Goldavenger
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Posted - 2005.04.11 20:35:00 -
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All I'm going to say on this matter (and I think I speak for the majority of PA here)is that its very dissapointing that you would hold the actions of A FEW members of PA (did you happen to give the PA leadership their names yet so they can be dealt with internally?) to the alliance as a whole. Alliance members were told many times that if we enter FoE space we will be KOS and possibly face dismissal from the PA, and I know the majority of us followed those orders. Then, one night with no provocation there are FoE ships all over HPA. The next day we receive an ultimatum from FoE leadership trying to tell us who we can be friends with and to stay out of FREE space.
We have tried very hard to keep our hands clean of this and stay neutral, for the benefit of our former allies that left PA for FoE. We put up with getting shot at by FoE members in their space when it was open to our alliance. When you NAP'd with one of our enemies to kill one of out allies, we didnt demand you break your NAP. Through all this, FoE has insisted on dragging us into this messy little conflict that theyve been embroiled in.
Now all that is left to be said is game on and may the better alliance win.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.04.11 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz Destruction of a few FOE ships and corps like ASW giving intel to our hostiles then trying to camp with FOE.
ASW left PA about 2-4 months ago and are a member of G alliance.
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Marichek
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Posted - 2005.04.11 21:05:00 -
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Our NAP with ATUK spawned from the fact that ATUK was getting friendly with 4 corps that we already had at +10. That, combined with the fact that they are across the entire map should make your argument completely null and void.
It was PA who first tried to make us set standings to EXO and G to +10, solely for the purpose of NAPing anyone close to their space. It would have been a smart move, but HAOS and G's actions towards us solidified our stance toward IRON and PA.
In-game, PA tries to NAP everyone, but then in the forums they beat their chest and blame it on FoE.
We love having numerous enemies so close to us, PA knew this and still allowed G and EXO to use their space as a staging ground for attacks in FoE space.
PA making the same mistakes they made in the past, and then making the same excuses they made in the past. There is a repetition to PAs behavior that goes back nearly 2 years, so quit trying to make yourselves look to be the good guys.
We gave you a chance, you screwed up. Lets fight in-game and not here, ok?
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
juduzz
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Posted - 2005.04.11 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: juduzz Destruction of a few FOE ships and corps like ASW giving intel to our hostiles then trying to camp with FOE.
ASW left PA about 2-4 months ago and are a member of G alliance.
Yer i know that was more of a "why X hates X" ect and thtas part of it IMO. ----------------------------------------------
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.04.11 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: The Clash on 11/04/2005 21:48:16
Originally by: Goldavenger All I'm going to say on this matter (and I think I speak for the majority of PA here)is that its very dissapointing that you would hold the actions of A FEW members of PA (did you happen to give the PA leadership their names yet so they can be dealt with internally?) to the alliance as a whole.
been there done that and repeat it seems .
it happend before that the PA set some people for example while they kinda knew it wasnt their members fault . Well..they refused to listen to the people who actually "knew" about facts . _________________
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:23:00 -
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Deja vu anyone?
I'm almost tempted to come and visit for a while
Eve Blacklight Style
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:56:00 -
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You know, I used to go fight PA on a regular basis when I was in Jericho, and for the most part they were pretty cool to fight.
For the amount of times folks have said they were dead, they still have a pretty good member count.
They must be doing something right.
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.04.11 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight Deja vu anyone?
not the same but close it seems _________________
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