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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:19:00 -
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Years ago, 0.0 ores were quite a bit more profitable to mine than high sec.
Unless I did something really wrong in the calculations, it looks like high sec mins are 170-190 ISK per m3, B and C are 180-200, and A is 220-230.
Really? Scord in high sec has the same value as C from 0.0? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1068
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:21:00 -
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Yes. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
420
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:22:00 -
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Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:25:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Nope, not intended to be that at all. I'm a high sec care bear myself. Check my other posts. In fact, I'm very anti-nerf-high, believing the result would be lots of carebears dropping the game (rather than the intended get them to move out of high).
I just ran some numbers after friends invited me to join them in 0,.0 or WH. I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high. |
Jantunen the Infernal
O C C U P Y
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:25:00 -
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Nerf Highsec |
Anya Solette
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:26:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
confirming highsec should be nerfed into the dirt. Ban CONCORD |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:28:00 -
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Anya Solette wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE confirming highsec should be nerfed into the dirt. Ban CONCORD
Why do you want high sec to be as empty as low? Why do you want 2/3rd of players to drop their accounts? |
Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:28:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you. |
Sentamon
249
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:29:00 -
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Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:32:00 -
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Dar Manic wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE This
Right... because my posting history shows I'm a big pro-0.0, pro-pvp, pro-nerf-high poster..... NOT!
It was just an observation.
If anything, it is a "nerf-war-on-high-sec" to get the prices of high sec ores back down where they belong. |
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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:35:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances.
I did spend some time in 0.0. Yeah... since we'd doc up (or station up) whenever a non-blue was in system... it was pretty safe.
This is basically the argument made to me by my friends that are still 0.0.... That the war on high sec has made 0.0 safer than high. I should "come on out". Meh. I don't like the politics or the titan conga lines.
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1572
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:37:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high.
Yep.
primary target is broadcasted, put all drones on the warp disruption battery. If you are in a frigate you should be at the gate, who blew up? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1996
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:41:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high. Welcome to the reason people are pissed off at null vs hisec balance. It goes further than that, too, touching upon most areas of industry. It is also much less profitable than you see, because in nullsec there are more things which can prevent you from mining: CTAs, roaming gangs, and other stuff.
Ed: while this may have been impacted by the "war on hisec", it already was the case that it is easier to make more money in hisec than in nullsec, which is why the whole "nerf hisec" rage started in the first place. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
694
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:43:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:
Why do you want high sec to be as empty as low? Why do you want 2/3rd of players to drop their accounts?
Because it will leave more server bandwidth and CPU time for people who want to play MULTI-player EVE and do other things than shoot at rocks? Also, "nothing of value was lost". |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:47:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:
Why do you want high sec to be as empty as low? Why do you want 2/3rd of players to drop their accounts?
Because it will leave more server bandwidth and CPU time for people who want to play MULTI-player EVE and do other things than shoot at rocks? Also, "nothing of value was lost".
What would actually happen is that CCP would cut costs to match the lower revenue stream, reduce the number of servers in the farm, cut back on the number of dedicated T1 lines hooking the internets to their server farm, etc. You'd get the same "network resources per player", just fewer players and less total resources.
Why is a high sec mining op with dozens of players involved, or a mission running op with a half dozen people running missions together, less multi-player than sitting on a titan doing a conga line waiting to see if the enemy will commit their fleet to a fight?
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:50:00 -
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If you want to nerf high sec because it is more profitable than 0.0 space, you'll need a reason.
.. Because currently, I would feel safer in a hulk in the middle of a 0.0 dead-end than in high sec.
Up wormhole belts, that's what CCP have to do. It is a logistical nightmare and afk p0rn with local on the second screen doesn't work at all. *Yelling "Manticooore !" on teamspeak* |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:53:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:That the war on high sec has made 0.0 safer than high.
shush....dammit your going to spoil everything |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:54:00 -
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Jantunen the Infernal wrote:Buff Nullsec Industry
Fixed that for you.
"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
92
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:58:00 -
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Well let's have a look at drone poo.
12 of the alloys (all of them) refined into minerals that can be mined in hi-sec. 4 of the alloys refined into minerals that cannot be mined in hi-sec 1 of the alloys refined into megacyte
When this was removed, supply for the hi-sec available minerals decreased a great deal. Thus the prices for these minerals increased.
There's various ways to increase demand on minerals that cannot be obtained in high sec, or as most null sec residents would like to see, reduce supply (refining nerf) of hi sec available minerals. Funny how the problem arises from a reduction in supply, and the solution proposed is the same thing as what caused the problem in the first place.
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
376
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:04:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:
I just ran some numbers after friends invited me to join them in 0,.0 or WH. I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high.
Do you not see this is the problem?
What SHOULD have happened is this:
- You run numbers, see how much more money you can make - Your eyes become $ . $ - You then think "But wait, do I want to take the risk of dying or not? Can i be bothered with all that?"
THEN you make your decision as to whether or not you think the extra $$$ is worth the hassle. You might decide you dont like PvP so much that you think the extra money isnt worth it. That's cool.
If you're starting from "I'll make less money" why would you EVER decide its worth the hassle? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:06:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances. Yes, it has nothing to do with the near limitless safety of high sec and the ability of people to mine endlessly without interuption. It has nothing to do with thousands upon thousands upon thousands of ships flying around high sec and not getting blown up in enough of a quantity to influence the high sec economy.
It's got nothing to do with pyrite being in nearly limitless demand, and scordite being present pretty much everywhere; ready and available to mine afk with no worries about losing a ship.
Obviously mining scordite in high sec has everything to do with null. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1124
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:16:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances. Null sec risk is...different. Its not the moment to moment risk you get in low. The risk is you will log in one day and find your alliance has failed and been disbanded, and now you and all your possessions are trapped in a station you have no rights to and is 20 jumps away from anyplace safe. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Sentamon
250
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:22:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances. Yes, it has nothing to do with the near limitless safety of high sec and the ability of people to mine endlessly without interuption.
Yes, thats what Nullsec is like. Glad you see the problem.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Sentamon
250
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:29:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances. Null sec risk is...different. Its not the moment to moment risk you get in low. The risk is you will log in one day and find your alliance has failed and been disbanded, and now you and all your possessions are trapped in a station you have no rights to and is 20 jumps away from anyplace safe.
And this has nothing to do with the posters question. Fact is, 0.0 ore is extremely safe to mine for the blob and extremely safe to move to highsec for production needs. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
466
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:31:00 -
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Don't worry ccp are changing what ore you can finde where... Maybe you will only be able to mine veld in HS soon. They see me trolling, they hating... |
Bohoba
Blue Ice Melts
4
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:41:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances.
^this^
ease of gankagedon has pushed high sec ore up :) go ahead kill more miners lol
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Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
979
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:56:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stealth Nerf highsec thread #WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I thought this was a nerf titans thread I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2150
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:02:00 -
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look up the drone and meta loot reprocessing nerf hth |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:13:00 -
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Anya Solette wrote: Ban CONCORD
And Local.
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:27:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high.
That right there is 90% of the problem. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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