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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:14:00 -
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alwaysZeroHour wrote:Grimpak wrote:it still makes my head hurt like hell. Have you actually tried it on a PC or is all this based on the cinema/tv? Basically because your brain cant handle 3d its a gimmick so dont bother supporting it. The nice thing is the majority of normal people dont have the issues you have with 3D, its sad your brain has issues with it but some simply dont have the capacity to handle it but there is no point saying its a waste just because you cant experience it, that sir is being an *&%.
yes I have.
I got a headache for watching it. Even watching those passive 3D screens that don't require glasses makes my eyesight more tired than usual. Basically watching anything 3D for half hour is the same thing as watching something for 4 hours straight.
and no I'm not saying to stop supporting it, I'm just complaining about how my eyes can't handle it.
also it is a gimmick. a very successful one at that, since the only thing that provides is WOW factor. Sure it looks awesome, but that's all that really provides in the end, an "AWESOME!" feeling that will fade away after you watch if enough times.
it also makes my movie ticket expensive, and THAT'S what I hate the most. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Verone
Veto Corp
57
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:05:00 -
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Tried Eve in 3D at Fanfest, vastly prefer 2D tbh.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
alwaysZeroHour
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:16:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:alwaysZeroHour wrote:Grimpak wrote:it still makes my head hurt like hell. Have you actually tried it on a PC or is all this based on the cinema/tv? Basically because your brain cant handle 3d its a gimmick so dont bother supporting it. The nice thing is the majority of normal people dont have the issues you have with 3D, its sad your brain has issues with it but some simply dont have the capacity to handle it but there is no point saying its a waste just because you cant experience it, that sir is being an *&%. yes I have. I got a headache for watching it. Even watching those passive 3D screens that don't require glasses makes my eyesight more tired than usual. Basically watching anything 3D for half hour is the same thing as watching something for 4 hours straight. and no I'm not saying to stop supporting it, I'm just complaining about how my eyes can't handle it. also it is a gimmick. a very successful one at that, since the only thing that provides is WOW factor. Sure it looks awesome, but that's all that really provides in the end, an "AWESOME!" feeling that will fade away after you watch if enough times. it also makes my movie ticket expensive, and THAT'S what I hate the most.
You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things. Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL.... |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:11:00 -
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alwaysZeroHour wrote:You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things. Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL....
oh now you're just trolling [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
alwaysZeroHour
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Posted - 2011.10.04 22:19:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:alwaysZeroHour wrote:You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things. Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL.... oh now you're just trolling
hehe yep ;) |
Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:07:00 -
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Now that Incarna is on the back burner + ship spinning is most likely coming back...
Go turn on 3D vision again CCP. |
xaja
yoni corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:33:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:I'll stop slag it once my head stops hurting.
You just have crappy gear.
A lot of the older 3D glasses are crap, any interference and they go out of sync constantly. Further, any fluerescent lighting in your room can mess it up, cause they flicker at 60Hz
There's a number of current 2011 models of 3D glasses that deal with that problem.
The other option would be to just go to the polarized systems. Cuts down resolution somewhat, but has the benefit of your glasses not needing batteries and being lighter weight. |
xaja
yoni corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:43:00 -
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Headerman wrote:I'd buy into it, when ATI have a comparable product and when it's again enabled for EVE
ATI / AMD does have a comparable, or by some accounts better product.
Nvidia's 3D solution is proprietary, only people they specifically partner with can make glasses or screens for that.
AMD's 3D solution is an open standard with published and freely available APIs. There are 3D drivers for Radeon cards from 3 different companies you can download. The one I use supports every 3D technology I've ever heard of, like 8 or 9 of them (I didn't even know there were that many)
The upshot is, no matter what screen you use, you can use it for 3D with Radeon cards, so long as the screen supports 120 Hz refresh.
I don't know in how far these drivers would depend on a Game like EVE allowing or denying 3D, so far, I've been able to render anything in 3D, whether it officially supported it or not. Of course, any given card has to be strong enough to supply sufficient frames per second.
So, if you plan on playing Metro in 3D, you better have enough cash to cough up for the very latest cards. |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
16
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:52:00 -
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alwaysZeroHour wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:3d is a gimmick. kinda like motion controls. Haters gonna hate..... dont post pointless crap. 3D is amazing, those that dont have it slag it, those that do know what I am talking about.
Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population.
I think the biggest reason 3D is referred to as "Gimmicky" is because when someone implements 3D, they go for an "OOH LOOK, 3D!!!11oneone111!" moment, commonly including those moments where random objects fly straight towards the screen for no ******* reason at all. The technology is arguably not a gimmick, the application of it almost always is. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
xaja
yoni corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:09:00 -
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KFenn wrote:Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. For a reason: the flicker of badly synced glasses or fluorescent light messing up the effect.
without specific issues, 3D hasn't caused anybody headaches, or do you see a lot of people walking around outside holding their heads? - Oh never mind, I guess that must be the reason for all the OTC headache pills that have been selling well since the invention of Aspirin sometime in the 1800's... that damned third dimension we always have to deal with.
KFenn wrote:And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population. What? A fairly large portion of the human population or just your family?
.....like what percentage do you regard as "fairly large"?
I guess all those Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans should just stop working on making better 3D, cause there's a bunch of handicapped people who don't get anything out of it.
You go get people to stop building stairwells too, those aren't fair either.... |
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CCP Solomon
C C P C C P Alliance
64
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:11:00 -
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We are actively working to return this feature to EVE but there is currently no ETA. Keep those spectacles primed Associate Technical Producer - Carbon |
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xaja
yoni corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:15:00 -
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CCP Solomon wrote:We are actively working to return this feature to EVE but there is currently no ETA. Keep those spectacles primed
YAY for that!
There must be some devious plan here though, CCP always keeps me looking forward to the next thing since 2003 |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
16
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:54:00 -
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xaja wrote:KFenn wrote:Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. For a reason: the flicker of badly synced glasses or fluorescent light messing up the effect. without specific issues, 3D hasn't caused anybody headaches, or do you see a lot of people walking around outside holding their heads? - Oh never mind, I guess that must be the reason for all the OTC headache pills that have been selling well since the invention of Aspirin sometime in the 1800's... that damned third dimension we always have to deal with.
Actually, the issue comes from convergence vs. focus. Stereoscopic 3D images aren't actually 3D - it's a 2D image that flickers rapidly between what your left and right eye would see, and the glasses are synced to the image to make sure that each eye only sees the correct image.
Now, when you have a particularly deep stereoscopic image your eyes will adjust their focus to try and focus on the deeper objects. But because the object isn't actually there, it's on a 2D screen that's a fixed distance away, you're asking your eyes to converge on one point, and focus on another. And that's not the way eyes work in real 3D (also known as Stereopsis or depth perception) so you can't compare the two.
xaja wrote:KFenn wrote:And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population. What? A fairly large portion of the human population or just your family? .....like what percentage do you regard as "fairly large"? I guess all those Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans should just stop working on making better 3D, cause there's a bunch of handicapped people who don't get anything out of it. You go get people to stop building stairwells too, those aren't fair either....
You have no ******* clue what either condition is, do you? Myopia and Hyperopia are short and long-sightedness, respectively, and they affect a good portion (not a majority) of the population. Don't just flame when you don't even understand what you're talking about. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
Juil
Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
27
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:24:00 -
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KFenn wrote:xaja wrote:KFenn wrote:Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. For a reason: the flicker of badly synced glasses or fluorescent light messing up the effect. without specific issues, 3D hasn't caused anybody headaches, or do you see a lot of people walking around outside holding their heads? - Oh never mind, I guess that must be the reason for all the OTC headache pills that have been selling well since the invention of Aspirin sometime in the 1800's... that damned third dimension we always have to deal with. Actually, the issue comes from convergence vs. focus. Stereoscopic 3D images aren't actually 3D - it's a 2D image that flickers rapidly between what your left and right eye would see, and the glasses are synced to the image to make sure that each eye only sees the correct image. Now, when you have a particularly deep stereoscopic image your eyes will adjust their focus to try and focus on the deeper objects. But because the object isn't actually there, it's on a 2D screen that's a fixed distance away, you're asking your eyes to converge on one point, and focus on another. And that's not the way eyes work in real 3D (also known as Stereopsis or depth perception) so you can't compare the two. xaja wrote:KFenn wrote:And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population. What? A fairly large portion of the human population or just your family? .....like what percentage do you regard as "fairly large"? I guess all those Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans should just stop working on making better 3D, cause there's a bunch of handicapped people who don't get anything out of it. You go get people to stop building stairwells too, those aren't fair either.... You have no ******* clue what either condition is, do you? Myopia and Hyperopia are short and long-sightedness, respectively, and they affect a good portion (not a majority) of the population. Don't just flame when you don't even understand what you're talking about.
Given I am Short Sighted.. in vision and I can wear 3D glasses with out a problem and get the 3D effect I don't see the problem.. the biggest 'issue' with 3D glasses is the fact that you either have to wear them OVER your existing Glasses which can cause issues with the Lens or you have to be wearing Contacts.. which can cause for some people their own issues...
Plus most TV's are using the 'flicker' option, one lens opens the other closes.. at really fast rates of speed, This can and WILL cause headaches and set off Epileptic Fits faster then a psychodellic disco ball.. especially for those who are epileptic and those who's eyes can actually follow high refresh rates (Those who typically get a headache from CRT's with a Refresh lower then 75hrtz.
On the other hand, Polarised Lighting, which is how many of the threaters do 3D is completely diffrent, there is no flickering it's simply two images and a polorised light filter over your eye.. one clockwise the other anti.. and you get to see what is projected at that polarised wave length.
As much as people want to say 3D is a 'gimmick' sorry guys but given the amount of 3D camera's and everything else now entering the industry.. 3D is here to stay.. though how they can call it 3D is beyond me, it's not 3D.. it's 2.5D or 2D with Depth Perspective, 3D would be a f'n projected Hologram. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
5
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:41:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_film#Early_systems_of_stereoscopic_filmmaking_.28pre-1952.29
so 3D simulation has been around for nearly 90 years.
passing fad? |
Sir Samaar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.18 09:39:00 -
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3D Vision is absolutly awsome. I play alot Trackmania2 atm and it looks so cool when you ride all the canyon tracks. 2D is just a car racing game 3d is an experiance. So please spend some resources of your developer team to bring it back asap. Don't be stupit and use 3D or other will do it. And the best you don't need to develop it, its already there. |
Lord Wamphyri
Starside Lost
63
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Posted - 2011.10.18 09:49:00 -
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I really wish I could enjoy 3D. I really do.
Unfortunately I suffer from a form of epilepsy and trying to watch a film or play a game in 3D is the quickest way of triggering a seizure for me, whether it's using glasses or not.
The strange thing is my epilepsy is not photosensitive so flickering lights don't trigger them, but trying to wrap my eyes around this new 3D does .. which was kinda embarrasing when I tried a Nintendo 3DS in our local Walmart. One second I was watching some 3D puppies (not a metaphor ) the next I was looking up at some worried looking shop assistants.. |
Djanko Zein
The Sith Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 11:30:00 -
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Subscribe to the issue. I'm too want very much, that CCP turn back stereoscopic mode. |
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2011.11.05 11:35:00 -
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I'm just waiting for this wave of 3D hype to pass.. Remember trying those 3D glasses as a kid back in the 80's, didn't like it then and probaly never will.. F&ID: Skill Training, Agent Finder What is CCP Guard gonna do with that grenade? |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
3
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Posted - 2011.11.05 12:21:00 -
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Until 3D has motion sensors on your glasses and the view changes depending on how you view it, it's just a 3D perspective from a single position. Apart from a feeling of depth, it brings nothing new or exciting.
What is funny is that films have realized that 3D can actually make a film worse. 2D films used to make obejects out of focus to give a sense of depth and emphasise the primary action area, which would still be in focus. If you go 3D, everything is in focus, so you lose the emphasis on the bit you are meant to be concentrating on. |
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Nutbolt
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 12:32:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:Until 3D has motion sensors on your glasses and the view changes depending on how you view it, it's just a 3D perspective from a single position. Apart from a feeling of depth, it brings nothing new or exciting.
http://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_vr920_support.html
Yer reviews are crap but.... :) |
Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:19:00 -
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Any updates ? |
Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:44:00 -
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To the top ^ |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:53:00 -
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@Rheya: He already answered that question:
CCP Solomon wrote:We are actively working to return this feature to EVE but there is currently no ETA. Keep those spectacles primed ETA = Estimated time available
no ETA = he can't tell now, when exactly it will be available
and round about 6 weeks are not much time for all those things requested. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
281
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:00:00 -
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Rheya Kelvin wrote:Dev's...... Are we going to be seeing 3D vision implemented into the November release ???
God I hope not, lets invest time and effort into something more then 1% of the people playing eve actually uses, let alone the fact that since not everyone uses NVID 3D and CCP has a love afair for NVID it probably won't work on those people who can play 3D but use ATI. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:09:00 -
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It worked for years before hand, I believe they turned it off when the 'walking in stations' crap came out...
Now thats on the back burner why not turn it back on again, sure it wasn't perfect, the GUI wasn't 3D but the rest of the Graphics were pretty epic.... watching supercapital fights / the undock in jita was pretty stunning.
As for the ATI 3d.... well... They shouldn't be buying ATI anyway. |
Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:28:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:@Rheya: He already answered that question: CCP Solomon wrote:We are actively working to return this feature to EVE but there is currently no ETA. Keep those spectacles primed ETA = Estimated time available no ETA = he can't tell now, when exactly it will be available and round about 6 weeks are not much time for all those things requested.
ETA stands for 'Estimate Time of Arrival' btw...
Also, it's plently of time imo |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
14
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:50:00 -
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Rheya Kelvin wrote:ETA stands for 'Estimate Time of Arrival' btw...
Also, it's plently of time imo
No & No
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_time_of_arrival EVE is not a train. It's a product and project from/at CCP.
Remember: There are many other features/bugfixes intended to be included in the next release. And we read something about reduced staff, right? Therefore 6 weeks are not much time.
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alwaysZeroHour
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 17:01:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:What is funny is that films have realized that 3D can actually make a film worse. 2D films used to make obejects out of focus to give a sense of depth and emphasise the primary action area, which would still be in focus. If you go 3D, everything is in focus, so you lose the emphasis on the bit you are meant to be concentrating on.
Fail, live action uses 2 camera which gives 2 perspectives but only one focal depth..... The whole 3d world is not sharp unless they want it to using cgi/extra cameras. |
RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
138
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Posted - 2011.11.16 17:22:00 -
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wait until you see doom - it's 3d not like wolfinstien .....
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