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Moe Doobie
Republic University Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:39:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Look, as nice as it would be to cotton wool pad newbies and show how everything is done in eve, that isnt what eve is. EVE is harsh. Very harsh. A big part of playing eve is carving out your own path and figuring things out.
One of the worst ways to prepare a new player for the realities of eve is to shelter them and give them free stuff as it makes them not appreciate stuff and when the cotton wool stops, they hit a wall of reality and will generally quit anyway.
PS: there are TONS of corps that take pretty much anyone. obviously they (generally speaking) and not the best quality corps but they are easy to get into and get started for new people.
I never mentioned shelter or free stuff. At all. Ever.
Let me clarify my stance:
I am not asking for smaller and easier books to read. I am asking for the books to be easier to find and the library made more accessible. That. Is. It. |
Moe Doobie
Republic University Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:41:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Moe Doobie wrote:
I NO AGREE WIF U SO U IZ TROLLZ
Dude gtfo my post I'm not even going to bother reading your bs post past that first line.
Yeah, go take a walk or something, I guess.
I make a civil post airing out some concerns and some idiot comes and calls me a troll, and I need to take a walk?
I'm done with this thread. You vets are f**king annoying seriously. You want to insult the s**t out of noobs then when we insult you back you claim we're overreacting. Unsubbing from thread. I see how EvE players at when someone asks a simple questions or puts forth a simple suggestion. You guys have fun. |
Catalyst XI
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:42:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote: I NO AGREE WIF U SO U IZ TROLLZ
Dude gtfo my post I'm not even going to bother reading your bs post past that first line.
there's a difference between not agreeing on something and someone spreading misinformation becasue he cant understand the simple concept behind an organization like rvb, seemingly becasue nobody wants to hold his hand while he learns to pvp/ play eve.
what you want, is ccp to sit behind you and tell you how you should build your castle, instead of figuring out the best way of building it by yourself. |
Adeleda Adoudel
Welp The Monkey
29
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:43:00 -
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E-uni is a fantastic place to get literally any question answered. The thing about Eve is that it takes time to learn. Whether it be a ccp training corporation or a player run non profit corporation. Doesn't matter it will take just as long to learn.
Also with Eve you get what you put in.if you're a casual 2 hours a week player you'll get casual gameplay. If you put time and effort in, you'll get an emmersive hardcore experience like no other game. :) |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
637
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:44:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Moe Doobie wrote:
I NO AGREE WIF U SO U IZ TROLLZ
Dude gtfo my post I'm not even going to bother reading your bs post past that first line.
Yeah, go take a walk or something, I guess. I make a civil post airing out some concerns and some idiot comes and calls me a troll, and I need to take a walk? I'm done with this thread. You vets are f**king annoying seriously. You want to insult the s**t out of noobs then when we insult you back you claim we're overreacting. Unsubbing from thread. I see how EvE players at when someone asks a simple questions or puts forth a simple suggestion. You guys have fun.
Regardless, you're letting your temper get ahead of you. Cool heads prevail. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2901
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:46:00 -
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You can be in a corp and playing with others in mere minutes of logging in to the game for the first time. This is a problem with players and there is really little that CCP can do about it.
I don't know who it is you are applying to since you didn't mention but if they have been passing you back and forth for WEEKS then I can only suggest they are a waste of your time and for you to look elsewhere. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
472
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:50:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Rek Seven wrote:
By "work for it" i just mean that you don't seem to have put much effort into understanding how eve works.
There is a basic path that i would suggest that new players follow, and it goes something like this:
1. work your way up to level 4 missions - this will lead you to training the combat skills that you need for pvp
2. Get your sanding up enough so you can use a jump clone - Obviously this enebles you to get a jump clone but you will also earn a nice chunk of isk along the way.
3. Select a corp where you can develop your current skills - this could include joining a missions running, industrial or exploration corp.
After that you will will hopefully have made some friends, earnt some isk and got some good ships. You should then be able to make an informed decision about what path would best suit you next.
Also, maybe listen to some eve podcast. Some are pretty entertaining and informative... I think damage control is an instructional one.
I could not disagree more with points 1 and 2. Level 4 missions do not teach you combat skills (unless you mean specifically as regards to SP), and in fact I've noticed that fresh meat is often better in a fight than someone who's had their actual piloting skills atrophied by months of L4 mission running. They are entirely different skill sets, and frankly I would rather have an enthusiastic noob in a tackle frigate than a generally risk-adverse former PvE player in a battleship. Many corps have the ability to allow you to use jump clones anyways, or have people who can push you through the standings grind till when you can use one. Point 3 is spot on however; It's important to find a group of people who can help you with what you find fun in EVE. Friendship, in this case, is truly magic.
I guess if you are flying in fleets that can utilise T1 frigate pilots who don't have a clue how to fit or fly their ship and don't mind being insta-popded at the beginning of every fight, then your noobs in frigates are good...
I would rather have someone that has a basic understanding of what the different modules do and has started to train their tank, core and gunnery skills enough to be an okay cruiser pilot.
And i think that a new player that has skilled up to be able to run level 3's in a frigate will be a much more competent pilot in the end. They see me trolling, they hating... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
401
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:51:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:We have tossed around ideas like this recently. Nothing beyond going "Wouldn't it be interesting if..." though. Dude I'm TELLING you it WILL RETAIN NOOBS.
Yea, noobs who "come from other mmos" and such, bringing with them their incredible sense of entitlement and need for instant gratification.
Why don't you just be real and ask CCP to make a new theme park spaceship game with low barrier to entry.
Look at my sig line. EVe is a game of Chess in a universe of checkers. You don't simplify chess if not enough newbie checker players want in, you tell them to go read a book and come back later.
EVE always needs new people sure, the RIGHT new people, people would could themselves figure out a video game with minimal outside assistance like most of us who are here have done. People that don't have enough brain power or willpower to jump EVE's hurdles bring nothing to this community but another whiny mouth to feed so to speak.
Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers. |
Dalmont Delantee
Dropbears with Kebabs SpaceMonkey's Alliance
41
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:52:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Moe Doobie wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Moe Doobie wrote:
I NO AGREE WIF U SO U IZ TROLLZ
Dude gtfo my post I'm not even going to bother reading your bs post past that first line.
Yeah, go take a walk or something, I guess. I make a civil post airing out some concerns and some idiot comes and calls me a troll, and I need to take a walk? I'm done with this thread. You vets are f**king annoying seriously. You want to insult the s**t out of noobs then when we insult you back you claim we're overreacting. Unsubbing from thread. I see how EvE players at when someone asks a simple questions or puts forth a simple suggestion. You guys have fun. Regardless, you're letting your temper get ahead of you. Cool heads prevail.
I'm guessing an age/IQ level check should be added to the sign up screen for EVE. The guy can't accept people disagree with him, can't accept people have been through the same situation as him and given him ways of getting out of it. Can't see anyone taking the **** out of people here. I've seen decent posts (left in the thread) and the only people who has been insulting is the OP.
Raging about lectures in english from people with accents. Screams racism to me. Try speaking their langauge before insulting them, learn to understand accents other than american :P In fact I've seen americans subtitled for americans on american TV! |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
401
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:53:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:You can be in a corp and playing with others in mere minutes of logging in to the game for the first time. This is a problem with players and there is really little that CCP can do about it.
I don't know who it is you are applying to since you didn't mention but if they have been passing you back and forth for WEEKS then I can only suggest they are a waste of your time and for you to look elsewhere.
Man, who cares if there are 16 million corps in EVE, the OP deserves someone to do it for him, such as CCP itself teaching him what to do in a sandbox. Get with the program.
/sarcasm
Benny Ohu: No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Clystan: Eve is the game of chess in a universe of checkers. |
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Beekeeper Bob
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
289
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:54:00 -
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Calling troll, only 1 large alliance in the game would take a 2 week old player.....and I doubt they would wait that long to scam you....
"Paranoia is the number one killer of idiots and Republicans." |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
637
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:56:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:
I guess if you are flying in fleets that can utilise T1 frigate pilots who don't have a clue how to fit or fly their ship and don't mind being insta-popded at the beginning of every fight, then your noobs in frigates are good...
I would rather have someone that has a basic understanding of what the different modules do and has started to train their tank, core and gunnery skills enough to be an okay cruiser pilot.
And i think that a new player that has skilled up to be able to run level 3's in a frigate will be a much more competent pilot in the end.
It's all about attitude for us, to be honest. Everything else can be taught, but the goons aren't wrong when the cite the concept of :shobon: being the secret of their success.
Give me a 3 day old noob with a good attitude in a tackle frigate any day. I love those little guys :3
I will finance infinite tackle frigates for them. Infinite. They can get blown up all day long and as long as they keep that good attitude I really dont care, because they will learn how to be awesome pilots because they are already awesome people. |
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
33
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:58:00 -
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I would suggest you join RvB since from what i understand they do a lot of low SP pvp, and accept just about anyone. I might be wrong though, so don't hold me to it. Some people might point you to Eve Uni, but all you'll learn there is to run tedious hisec missions.
As for joining a nullsec alliance at such low SP, it's very difficult as most alliances have rather high requirements both SP and experience wise, however it's still certainly possible. Goonswarm and several of their allies for instance have barely any recruiting standards, but i would advise against joining this particular group, seeing as how they're actually not very good at the game. |
Swordfingers
Restless Obsession
37
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:02:00 -
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So you want to play with the pros (I'm in no way stating that this hypothetical large nullsec alliance is pro in any form, but they may still feel like it)? Then you probably have to be one. What I'm saying is you either go to an large alliance that takes in anyone and be generally miserable or join a smaller entity where you learn the ropes, build up some reputation and maybe even have fun. |
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
82
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:18:00 -
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I think that it can be troling |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
548
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:21:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Most of the ones I see req a minimum amount of skill points,and the ones that don't just started and have like 3 people, thus seriously reducing the chance that A) They will actually take the time to train and B) Will have member on and active when you are online. There is a reason why noobs target larger guilds/corporations. It's because the larger the group the more likely others will be on to do things when we are. I joined this game in 2007. My first week, I puttered around in a frigate learning game mechanics on a system HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BILLIONS TIMES WORSE than the current one. After that first week, I went into the recruitment channel and decided to join a corporation with only 5 people in it, all but the CEO being less than year old characters. In a month, we expanded to 20 players, most of them EUTZ with myself and three other people being the USTZ. We played around in highsec for another 3 months and expanded to 30 people. We decided to move to nullsec and did so. We survived as a corporation for about 2 years before we collectively decided to shut it down and move on to different things.
I still talk to people from my first corp, regardless of them being blue or red to me. That is what makes EVE different from WoW or every other bland variation of it. It isn't about size, it isn't about SP, its about how much you're willing to invest in it. You go out seeking lazy, WoW-mode corps, you will reap lazy, WoW-mode reward from it. You go out seeking EVE corps, you will reap the EVE experience. EVE in the beginning is all about getting over the hurdle of not having a stupid little LFG button and having to actually be an intelligent human being with some level of social skills. An NPC corp will never teach that. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
638
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:26:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote: I joined this game in 2007. My first week, I puttered around in a frigate learning game mechanics on a system HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BILLIONS TIMES WORSE than the current one. After that first week, I went into the recruitment channel and decided to join a corporation with only 5 people in it, all but the CEO being less than year old characters. In a month, we expanded to 20 players, most of them EUTZ with myself and three other people being the USTZ. We played around in highsec for another 3 months and expanded to 30 people. We decided to move to nullsec and did so. We survived as a corporation for about 2 years before we collectively decided to shut it down and move on to different things.
I still talk to people from my first corp, regardless of them being blue or red to me. That is what makes EVE different from WoW or every other bland variation of it. It isn't about size, it isn't about SP, its about how much you're willing to invest in it. You go out seeking lazy, WoW-mode corps, you will reap lazy, WoW-mode reward from it. You go out seeking EVE corps, you will reap the EVE experience. EVE in the beginning is all about getting over the hurdle of not having a stupid little LFG button and having to actually be an intelligent human being with some level of social skills. An NPC corp will never teach that.
This a thousand and one times. The ability to make friends is the IWIN button of EVE. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
796
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:57:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Look, as nice as it would be to cotton wool pad newbies and show how everything is done in eve, that isnt what eve is. EVE is harsh. Very harsh. A big part of playing eve is carving out your own path and figuring things out.
One of the worst ways to prepare a new player for the realities of eve is to shelter them and give them free stuff as it makes them not appreciate stuff and when the cotton wool stops, they hit a wall of reality and will generally quit anyway.
PS: there are TONS of corps that take pretty much anyone. obviously they (generally speaking) and not the best quality corps but they are easy to get into and get started for new people. I never mentioned shelter or free stuff. At all. Ever. Let me clarify my stance: I am not asking for smaller and easier books to read. I am asking for the books to be easier to find and the library made more accessible. That. Is. It.
look, if you can't figure out how to google then it's really your problem. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:People that don't have enough brain power or willpower to jump EVE's hurdles bring nothing to this community but another whiny mouth to feed so to speak.
Other than revenue and profits for CCP?
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CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
52
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:13:00 -
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Max - I have not read this thread other then the OP. join ingame corp/alliance public channels you like the look of. Just start with a o/ and go from there. Eve is full of cocks and so expect recruiters to panic over anyone keen to actually join a corp. engage in convo in pub chans for a week or so and then require about joining |
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Lord Leftfield
The Society Calyxes
55
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:14:00 -
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Training? I thougth I was playing a game.. |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
131
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:16:00 -
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One thing I learned from my tough experience as new player is eve doesn't just hand out stuff. You gotta go seek it out, figure it out, get involved, make friends, make enemies, and press forward to experience all the great things it has to offer. I really cant agree with your idea because there are so many freaking corporations and alliances more than willing to recruit your noob self and teach you what you want to know. I know, because I joined one as a new player and learned stuff. You need to get around PEOPLE and show them that you are capable of LISTENING, then I can say without a doubt, they will TEACH you.
CCP does not need to officially stamp its name on any open player corps. Its just not gonna happen anyways nor should it. |
lanyaie
680
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:41:00 -
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http://v.cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/cad-20120625-8bb4c.png Hay |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
131
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:44:00 -
[84] - Quote
lanyaie wrote:http://v.cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/cad-20120625-8bb4c.png was waiting for this. /thread |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
413
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:57:00 -
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OP has left the thread now.
This thread is now about GRRRRRR GOOOOONS "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
126
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Posted - 2012.11.13 23:38:00 -
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The thing that you have to realize is this, though:
In Eve, you have the ultimate freedom to do what you choose. That means you could also rob your corp/alliance blind, in theory.
This is also the reason why many corps take measures against stuff like that. You wouldn't believe how effective a two week old alt can be in that role, if they slip through the recruitment officers' net.
On another note, a lot of this is owed to the current implementation of POSes right now, so one may or may not a change in overall attitude regarding recruitment once that goes live - well, or not, really. Best to play things safe, y'know?
TBH, you're better off with an alliance that screens its prospective members properly, even if it is a PITA. In exchange, it pays for itself with added security and safety of your eventual assets.
Also, this is probably the wrong subforum. 'Features and Ideas', anyone? |
Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:41:00 -
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I do believe everyone has missed the point of the OP. I do not believe he was asking for hand outs or advise.
He was suggesting that CCP could retain more newbies if they had a better training program. If CCP retains more newbies, they have more money to work with and be able to keep EVE alive.
I like EVE alot and worry that it will not last. I don't really want EVE to change in any basic way except to provide good reliable training seems like a good thing.
I went through the initial training lessons provided by CCP several times. But I had to go to youtube to really understand about core probe scanning and how to use directional scan effectively.
I actually enjoy researching and figuring things out for myself but i know that is not for everyone. To have CCP missions that would tutor a new player into feeling more comfortable in the game i think would increase retention of new players, That should translate into more income for CCP and make them happy.
I think a happy CCP is good for EVE. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
567
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:50:00 -
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What's all this?
A thread got slightly de-railed? What's all this? And in my EVE?
Heh
If all he needs is explanations of things, there's plenty and some better than CCP could do with the player made content. Look for YouTube videos on whatever subject. Google as well.
Instruction manuals will only get you so far. You need a mentor every now and then.
This isn't wow where you mash all teh buttoms
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
676
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Posted - 2012.11.14 05:19:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Lykouleon wrote:There is an entire subforum dedicated to finding player corporations. There are multiple in-game channels for finding corporations depending on primary language. New corporations that want like-minded new players pop up daily. All you need to do is reach out and be pro-active instead of waiting for that "WTB DPS/Tank for Raid/PvE/RP guilde~" post. Most of the ones I see req a minimum amount of skill points,and the ones that don't just started and have like 3 people, thus seriously reducing the chance that A) They will actually take the time to train and B) Will have member on and active when you are online. There is a reason why noobs target larger guilds/corporations. It's because the larger the group the more likely others will be on to do things when we are.
One thing to remember is that the minimum SP requirements means very little in this game. If you want to PVP your 2 mil SP into combat training will make you a better candidate than a 20mil SP guy with no combat training. You can get into corp with lower than the minimum SP they require if you show that it is what your focused at and you were able to show some skill at using your limited SP to your advantage. At 2 mil sp i got into corps requiring a minimum of 8.
On another note I have been known known to take in new players that would like to do what I do. I don't care about SP I just care that you have the will to give it a go without somebody holding your hand.
Your looking for somebody to hold your hand.
EDIT: It seems I came late to the party.... I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Aeydan Condit
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
0
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Posted - 2012.11.14 05:28:00 -
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This is what seperates EVE from all other MMOS. EVE doesnt need to adapt to traditional mmo practices and yes ive played WoW and swtor and swg and UO. It took me a week to get into Eve uni so be patient and youll get into your corp. Lastly, not all corps take that much time. Ive joined many corps on a whim within minutes. |
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