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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.15 00:26:00 -
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Silver Plated wrote:Quote:I find it amazing that people like you exist let alone play EVE. You do know that EVE was made by some evil Icelandic gankers with anger management problems right? hell the DEVS talk about harvesting tears.
Why do you play a game built in non-consensual pvp if you don't like the attitudes of people who would play such a game? It makes zero sense to me. I exist. I play Eve. I'm even quite successful at it in many ways. Why is this such a problem for you? As for playing a game with built in non-consensual PvP I came here for the space ships. Despite people like you trying to ruin the game for people like me I have yet to find a better place to play internet space ships. I often tell people I play Eve despite itself. Also, define non-consensual PvP. I know very well I am open to PvP when I undock in null sec and high sec. Quote:He believes ganking has a roll, but finds our "mentality" to be "reprehensible". There's a lot that doesn't add up here. Also, I can live with being krill. It is the phytoplankton who struggle with their place in the food chain. (at the bottom) Yes, ganking can serve a role within the game. Ganking a null sec alliance's logistics side for example can put economic pressure on them during a sov war. If they are smart they'll just use jump freighters but whatever. It could be done. Also ganking miners in order to raise mineral prices or ice prices is a valid role for ganking. However, what I find reprehensible is people who gank solely out of some twisted desire to punish people for playing the game differently.
What if you do it just because the carebears need an enemy? Does that motivation get your seal of approval? Trying to follow the logic here. So far we've got: Highsec ganking 'cause Mittens told you to = okay Highsec ganking 'cause you felt like it = you should be ashamed of yourself |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
640
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Posted - 2012.11.15 01:04:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:This topic....yet again. It keeps coming back like a womans period...probably with the same amount of annoyance too no doubt. Not that I would know anything about that.
Anyway, like the pest that I am I still say that low/null could be fixed so easily. Free entry + no local would make a difference already. If those overly cautious ones knew that they had the option to enter a system anonymously without anyone else knowing that they are there (and vice versa) and with no threat of gatecamping Alts posted at gates... take it from me, pirates would make low-sec *hell* w/o local. No local only works in WH's because there are no static routes in and out.
Remove local from Low/Null and you instantly create a situation where everyone and their brother (and all their alt accounts) have one toon that sits on a gate and listens to the gate activation...
Removing local would ultimately create more problems than it would solve.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Sentamon
259
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Posted - 2012.11.15 01:15:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:This topic....yet again. It keeps coming back like a womans period...probably with the same amount of annoyance too no doubt. Not that I would know anything about that.
Anyway, like the pest that I am I still say that low/null could be fixed so easily. Free entry + no local would make a difference already. If those overly cautious ones knew that they had the option to enter a system anonymously without anyone else knowing that they are there (and vice versa) and with no threat of gatecamping Alts posted at gates... take it from me, pirates would make low-sec *hell* w/o local. No local only works in WH's because there are no static routes in and out. Remove local from Low/Null and you instantly create a situation where everyone and their brother (and all their alt accounts) have one toon that sits on a gate and listens to the gate activation... Removing local would ultimately create more problems than it would solve.
Alts you say? Beats local by a mile. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.15 01:35:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I find it amazing that people like you exist let alone play EVE. You do know that EVE was made by some evil Icelandic gankers with anger management problems right? hell the DEVS talk about harvesting tears.
Why do you play a game built in non-consensual pvp if you don't like the attitudes of people who would play such a game? It makes zero sense to me.
What part of playing this game in any way obligates someone to agree with or understand another players motivation?
Who ever said it did. I sure didn't. I'm not ccp, my opinion matters to no one but me and the people who read it and choose to accept it.
That being said, I am very interested in psychology (in college I double majored psych and criminal justice), and studying the ways of the misfit/malcontent gamer is a part of that fascination. What motivates people, WHY do they do what they do and hold the opinions they do. Those are the deep questions.
The not so deep side of it is it really fun to laugh and numbskulled fail-folk lol. EVE just keeps on giving, in game and in GD lol.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.15 01:52:00 -
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[quote=Silver Plated]Quote: I exist. I play Eve. I'm even quite successful at it in many ways. Why is this such a problem for you? As for playing a game with built in non-consensual PvP I came here for the space ships. Despite people like you trying to ruin the game for people like me I have yet to find a better place to play internet space ships. I often tell people I play Eve despite itself. Also, define non-consensual PvP. I know very well I am open to PvP when I undock in null sec and high sec.
1st of all, thank you for your honesty, most people would have been self-deluded enough to hide something like what you admit. no that that's out of the way, I've dealt with your type the whole last 15 years of my gamer life. They type that doesn't really LIKE the game they are playing, but play it anyways because they don't feel there is any other option.
i 1st noticed it back when playing X-wing, a game set in the Star Wars uinverse. You know there were actually people who played X-Wing v Tie Fighter and X-Wing Alliance that didn't like Star Wars and thought "hey, this game would be great if it just had Newtonian physics".... plenty of "I just like space dogfighting" people there.
Later, I played Mechwarrior 3 and 4, games set in the Battletech ("BT") fictional universe. BT was a tabletop game in the 1980s originally called BattleDroids till the Lucas Arts people objected to the word "Droid" so Battletech was born. It was a weird quirky universe where some "mechs" had axes and swords and flamer throwers and machine guns could damage 12 meter tall fusion powered warmachines that could stand thermo-nuclear blasts lol.
Both Mechwarriors I played online had "those people" who really didn't like Battletech but thought the idea of huge robotic walking tanks was great so they stayed, and was a thorn in everyone's side on the forums constantly asking for "MOAR REALISM" in a game of huge walking robotic tanks...
Whiel EVE is different in that it's not based in some pre-existing universe like mechwarrior and X-wing, we have the same type of fols here , people who "just like space ships' but don't care for (or understand) what EVE IS.
Well, your sub is just as good as anyone else's, and I wouldn't stop you from playing even if I could because you playing is none of my business so long as you aren't hacking my account or something.
But i reserve the right to POINT AND LAUGH at you and your ilk, and encourage everyone within ear shot to point and laugh too....
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Yes, ganking can serve a role within the game. Ganking a null sec alliance's logistics side for example can put economic pressure on them during a sov war. If they are smart they'll just use jump freighters but whatever. It could be done. Also ganking miners in order to raise mineral prices or ice prices is a valid role for ganking. However, what I find reprehensible is people who gank solely out of some twisted desire to punish people for playing the game differently.
Once again , evidence of anyone doing that please? Why folks like you cling to this "imagined malice" fallacy is interesting to me, as is the fact that in a non-consensual pvp game people don't NEED a reason to screw with you.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2012.11.15 01:55:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I find it amazing that people like you exist let alone play EVE. You do know that EVE was made by some evil Icelandic gankers with anger management problems right? hell the DEVS talk about harvesting tears.
Why do you play a game built in non-consensual pvp if you don't like the attitudes of people who would play such a game? It makes zero sense to me.
What part of playing this game in any way obligates someone to agree with or understand another players motivation? Who ever said it did. I sure didn't. I'm not ccp, my opinion matters to no one but me and the people who read it and choose to accept it. That being said, I am very interested in psychology (in college I double majored psych and criminal justice), and studying the ways of the misfit/malcontent gamer is a part of that fascination. What motivates people, WHY do they do what they do and hold the opinions they do. Those are the deep questions. The not so deep side of it is it really fun to laugh and numbskulled fail-folk lol. EVE just keeps on giving, in game and in GD lol. I suppose then I'd have to ask what you found amazing. Non-consensual PvP is a strong core principle of eve yes, but it isn't the only one and for many isn't the core draw of the game. It also makes me curious about what you consider to be the attitudes of people who play the game and how you would expect they avoid conflict considering the array of people who play, though I suppose that is somewhat dependent on who you associate with. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.15 02:06:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I find it amazing that people like you exist let alone play EVE. You do know that EVE was made by some evil Icelandic gankers with anger management problems right? hell the DEVS talk about harvesting tears.
Why do you play a game built in non-consensual pvp if you don't like the attitudes of people who would play such a game? It makes zero sense to me.
What part of playing this game in any way obligates someone to agree with or understand another players motivation? Who ever said it did. I sure didn't. I'm not ccp, my opinion matters to no one but me and the people who read it and choose to accept it. That being said, I am very interested in psychology (in college I double majored psych and criminal justice), and studying the ways of the misfit/malcontent gamer is a part of that fascination. What motivates people, WHY do they do what they do and hold the opinions they do. Those are the deep questions. The not so deep side of it is it really fun to laugh and numbskulled fail-folk lol. EVE just keeps on giving, in game and in GD lol. I suppose then I'd have to ask what you found amazing. Non-consensual PvP is a strong core principle of eve yes, but it isn't the only one and for many isn't the core draw of the game.
I disagree, non-consensual pvp/conflcit/competition is the core, the spirit of the game. it's why mot ships are combat ships, most things you can find through exploration or build have something to do with shooting people in the face ect ect.
That others find other ancillary elements of EVE to like and be drawn to doesn't change the rock bottom foundation of the game. look at the game's founders, listen to what they said about WHY they made EVE the way it is. Hell, i'd wager that if the market could bear it (it can't which is why we have High Sec in the 1st place), EVE would be serveral times more hardcore and evil, so much so that U.S. Navy seals would probably be hunting CCP employees because of space terrorism.
Those Iceland guys are CRAZY.
What I find amazing is the fact that people who don't like what many consider to be the heart of the game still choose to play it. Me personally I couldn't play a game I didn't fundamentally like
Quote: It also makes me curious about what you consider to be the attitudes of people who play the game and how you would expect they avoid conflict considering the array of people who play, though I suppose that is somewhat dependent on who you associate with.
I'm not really sure what your are asking here, but I associate with some very cool/nice people in game....who will screw YOU over at the drop of a hat. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1034
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Posted - 2012.11.15 02:20:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:So c'mon, give hi-sec dwellers your best pitch. If you can't nerf them, how do you plan to get them to join you?
Continue to **** on highsec. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2012.11.15 02:30:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I disagree, non-consensual pvp/conflcit/competition is the core, the spirit of the game. it's why mot ships are combat ships, most things you can find through exploration or build have something to do with shooting people in the face ect ect.
This tends to refer to any space combat related activity, including PvE. It doesn't relate purely to PvP or more specifically non-consensual PvP. And to remain closer to the topic originally referred to it most certainly doesn't seem designed to steer one toward ganking purely for the knowledge of invoking negative emotions in others.
Do people actually do this? I don't know. I can only go by people's words. Those that wear the "tears" of their gankees as badges of honor and insist that ganking isn't all about profit or economic effects do tend to point towards the conclusion that it does.
Jenn aSide wrote: That others find other ancillary elements of EVE to like and be drawn to doesn't change the rock bottom foundation of the game. look at the game's founders, listen to what they said about WHY they made EVE the way it is. Hell, i'd wager that if the market could bear it (it can't which is why we have High Sec in the 1st place), EVE would be serveral times more hardcore and evil, so much so that U.S. Navy seals would probably be hunting CCP employees because of space terrorism.
Those Iceland guys are CRAZY.
What I find amazing is the fact that people who don't like what many consider to be the heart of the game still choose to play it. Me personally I couldn't play a game I didn't fundamentally like
There seems to be a lot of speculation there, but over time these same people at CCP have spent a lot of time of what you called ancillary aspects trying to make them as workable as possible. They did this to ensure that the game is able to operate, you are correct there, but they could have just as easily downplayed those aspects and reworked the systems to not need them as much.
In the end you can't ignore that the non-ship to ship PvP activities were woven inextricably into the game. Furthermore it was made possible to enjoy some activities while entirely avoiding ship to ship PvP. I don't believe this was accidental, nor do I believe it was a secondary concern or ancillary element as it could have been avoided from the beginning. |
Torvin Yulus
State War Academy Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.11.15 02:31:00 -
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thje is no lure
nullsec is the place aspie neckbeards who have delusions of godhood go and force people to be their servants.
no thanks im a pubby and im proud |
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Sentamon
259
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Posted - 2012.11.15 04:30:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:thje is no lure
nullsec is the place aspie neckbeards who have delusions of godhood go and force people to be their servants.
no thanks
You think they'll ever figure this out?
You can reduce highsec to nothing but ship spinning and it'll be more fun then being part of the nullsec crowd. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2012.11.15 04:37:00 -
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^^^ Did he just argue with someone who agrees with him? |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
239
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Posted - 2012.11.15 04:52:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Lo and null are going to have to give up trying to nerf hi-sec. CCP makes way too much money off it, and hey, it is pretty fun for alot of players. Nerfing hi-sec is not going to happen.
So c'mon, give hi-sec dwellers your best pitch. If you can't nerf them, how do you plan to get them to join you?
And no, using slave collars is not an option.
Destroying the Shipyards |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
163
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Posted - 2012.11.15 04:55:00 -
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Ritsum wrote: Anyone can use google without saying much and there is no anger I just do not like the way they wave killboards around like it really means something in the end and also the fact that most of them would spit on you if you piloted something that is not up to their standards in this case PVP fittings. I do not want to spend my time around the likes of those people.
Also just because I often don't talk to others does not mean I am not listening to every thing being said.
I like how if it's not a serious op, like defending/taking sov/structures/moons, then you can bring whatever the hell you want on a fleet, so long as you don't end up loosing a shitton of ISK stupidly. Like your pimped ratting boat on a roam.
So when they call for a roam, I take my lolfit frigates and throw wrenches. I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1727
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Posted - 2012.11.15 06:17:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:Ritsum wrote:Anyone can use google without saying much and there is no anger I just do not like the way they wave killboards around like it really means something in the end and also the fact that most of them would spit on you if you piloted something that is not up to their standards in this case PVP fittings. I do not want to spend my time around the likes of those people.
Also just because I often don't talk to others does not mean I am not listening to every thing being said. I like how if it's not a serious op, like defending/taking sov/structures/moons, then you can bring whatever the hell you want on a fleet, so long as you don't end up loosing a shitton of ISK stupidly. Like your pimped ratting boat on a roam. So when they call for a roam, I take my lolfit frigates and throw wrenches. You guys are burning down -A-'s home, right?
I see the red penetrating their sov like a ... thing doing ... stuff.
Anyway, good job. Don't stop until they're all back in Stain, which I believe is their respawn point. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
74
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:42:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Silver Plated Care to answer any of my questions or just get all pissy? "Asking to be left alone is not cowardly." Why the he'll should I leave the phytoplankton alone? Why should they enjoy being the only ones in the game with the privilege of being left alone?!?
I took his point to simply be HTFU and stop bumping and start fighting. You know, engage in activities that allow people to fight back properly.
I mean, don't get me wrong, nothing says 'balls of steel' like bumping a miner... |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:45:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Lo and null are going to have to give up trying to nerf hi-sec. CCP makes way too much money off it, and hey, it is pretty fun for alot of players. Nerfing hi-sec is not going to happen.
So c'mon, give hi-sec dwellers your best pitch. If you can't nerf them, how do you plan to get them to join you?
And no, using slave collars is not an option.
Null/Low-sec is simply more exciting. Don't Panic.
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Diva Ex Machina
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
8
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:53:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Lo and null are going to have to give up trying to nerf hi-sec. CCP makes way too much money off it, and hey, it is pretty fun for alot of players. Nerfing hi-sec is not going to happen.
So c'mon, give hi-sec dwellers your best pitch. If you can't nerf them, how do you plan to get them to join you?
And no, using slave collars is not an option.
Nobody told me I could get a slave collar!
On a personal level I don't care if high sec players don't want to go to low/null. I can see why high sec would appeal to a certain subset of players and there is nothing wrong with that. But if you're one of those people who have been playing Eve for a while and not really left high sec in that time, I think you're cheating yourself out of your sub money because there's a lot you aren't experiencing. I would urge you to give it a try and not to take comments on the forum so seriously, as there is a lot of hyperbole about 'blobs', 'blueballing' and so forth that aren't strictly true (in my experience). A lot of what happens out in null is not intrinsic to nullspace, it's more to do with the crowd you hang out with.
Oh and yeah, it's fun to be able to shoot people without the space police getting involved. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
749
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:26:00 -
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Diva Ex Machina wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Lo and null are going to have to give up trying to nerf hi-sec. CCP makes way too much money off it, and hey, it is pretty fun for alot of players. Nerfing hi-sec is not going to happen.
So c'mon, give hi-sec dwellers your best pitch. If you can't nerf them, how do you plan to get them to join you?
And no, using slave collars is not an option. Nobody told me I could get a slave collar! On a personal level I don't care if high sec players don't want to go to low/null. I can see why high sec would appeal to a certain subset of players and there is nothing wrong with that. But if you're one of those people who have been playing Eve for a while and not really left high sec in that time, I think you're cheating yourself out of your sub money because there's a lot you aren't experiencing. I would urge you to give it a try and not to take comments on the forum so seriously, as there is a lot of hyperbole about 'blobs', 'blueballing' and so forth that aren't strictly true (in my experience). A lot of what happens out in null is not intrinsic to nullspace, it's more to do with the crowd you hang out with. Oh and yeah, it's fun to be able to shoot people without the space police getting involved.
Subset? This is not a signature. |
Zhao-luojao Shou
Industrial Dragon Tycoons
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:02:00 -
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I read threw 4 pages before i came to posting. So im not playing the game to its fullest if i stay in highsec, or at least that is the general concensus. As has been stated many times HALF of sov based null is controled by one coalition. why then would i move out there and bang my head against something so big that can do what ever they want.
Btw i also dont go to null/lo because pvp to me is to fast. i cant react fast enough. so because i cant do pvp i am to be punished by making less isk than ppl who know who thier enemies are.
Let the flames begin |
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octahexx Charante
Morior Invictus. Ethereal Dawn
24
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:58:00 -
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null just got served by the president of highsec?
we all knew this day would come.
dude just apply to a low/null corp and see what fuzz is about..its a game if your curious just try it.
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
440
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:02:00 -
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Zhao-luojao Shou wrote:I read threw 4 pages before i came to posting. So im not playing the game to its fullest if i stay in highsec, or at least that is the general concensus. As has been stated many times HALF of sov based null is controled by one coalition. why then would i move out there and bang my head against something so big that can do what ever they want. Btw i also dont go to null/lo because pvp to me is to fast. i cant react fast enough. so because i cant do pvp i am to be punished by making less isk than ppl who know who thier enemies are. Let the flames begin
I never flame someone for saying that they don't want to take part in PvP because they think they are not good enough at it. I WOULD say that I think you should throw yourself in anyway as most people start out rubbish and get better, but if you still disagreed thats fine.
Coalitions are a ThingGäó now and they wont be going. You don't just do to bang your head against a CFC/HBC wall, you go to join them and conquer the galaxy, or you go and find your own friends to fight them.
I reckon within the next 6 months there will be a third coalition risen to fight the HBC/CFC. The HBC/CFC are smart enough not to gang up on this third coalition, because if you conquer nullsec, what's left to fight?
Instead you'd get a situation of foreverwar. If you have ever read 1984 it's exactly like that. War carried out for the purpose of carrying out war, simply to destroy things that are produced to keep the economy moving and the citizens working. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
440
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:02:00 -
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octahexx Charante wrote:null just got served by the president of highsec?
James 315 hasn't posted in this thread yet has he? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
410
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:11:00 -
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Zhao-luojao Shou wrote:I read threw 4 pages before i came to posting. So im not playing the game to its fullest if i stay in highsec, or at least that is the general concensus. As has been stated many times HALF of sov based null is controled by one coalition. why then would i move out there and bang my head against something so big that can do what ever they want.
If Luke Skywalker and Han Solo thought like you, all Ewoks would be dead and Vader would be telling more blond headed white kids he's their daddy...FOREVER.
Is that what you REALLY want sir? D.Vader slinging his "midi-clorians" all up into even more space princesses?
Quote: Btw i also dont go to null/lo because pvp to me is to fast. i cant react fast enough. so because i cant do pvp i am to be punished by making less isk than ppl who know who thier enemies are.
Erm, YES.
EVE is almost as darwinesque as Darwin himself, survival of the fittest and all that.
Even so, wtf are you talking about, you can't click f1 at a high rate of speed (lol). This means "make friends who can click F1 for you as fast as a mofo.
All joking aside, why do you think people in space protected by the game itself should make as much isk as people who venture out into the Dark without a flashlight? CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
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