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Benilopax
Solar Storm Intrepid Crossing
373
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:01:00 -
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I have no problem with it as long as it has a quite specific and easily identifiable known aliases tag. ... |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
444
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:05:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Ian Isk wrote:Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:
-You pay a plex or two to change your name. -Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field. -A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.
Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research. +1. This is acceptable. Sounds Legit
I'ld add the caveat that only a limited number of name changes are permitted.
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
198
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:19:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
The answer is NO you can not change HISTORY. Can we fixs ****** to? NO. You can not change it. Thats why people say use your brain for ones when you going to rogue like that. |
Squealing Piglet
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.11.27 03:53:00 -
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I largely agree with the comments above regarding mixed feelings about the existence of a character bazaar, creating a situation where someone can "buy in", rather than spend the hard earned time cutting their teeth in a noobship with 2mil sp. I really think the process of slowly progressing through the hard knocks of the eve universe is what makes the game fun. It's a strangely ironic opinion for me to have considering that I'm voicing it from a toon I bought on the character bazaar.
I originally did start from scratch, with a legitimate character, with a legitimate name during the days of apocrypha. But I started to play too much--way too much, and I decided the only way to quit was to first kill my character, and so I tossed her into the recycling fires. And she did scream. A year later I decided to start playing again, but the thought of having to grow through the same ship progressions I already mastered, with lousy skills just sounded tedious. So I searched the bazaar for a few weeks to find a character whose skills were as close as possible to my dearly departed. And so here I am, oink, oink.
I guess my point is...wait, what were we talking about? |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
84
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:08:00 -
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to the OP,,,,, Terribad idea........ to everyone else who's interested in this,,,,,,,,, you made your bed now sleep in it ! |
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
22
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:13:00 -
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If you allow corp history removal, we'll just wind up tracking it with websites like wow players (not sure if they do this any more)
History is very important in eve; your good and bad deeds should follow you everywhere. Allowing either of these to be wiped clean would be a major mistake.
As far as buying characters, tell the seller the name sucks -2 bil or whatever. A pathetic / stupid / annoying name is the price you pay for being impatient / lazy and not training it yourself. |
Spacing Cowboy
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
30
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:51:00 -
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Reputation is one of the rare things in eve you cant buy,
Lets keep it that way
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
448
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:57:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Perhaps it could be a one-off offering specifically FOR character trades then?
I like this idea of the Character bazar transactions possibly having optional fees of 1 PLEX each for wiping the employment history and/or name change
Seems to me if a diferent person is buying the toon then the previous owners reputation should not be following ( either helping or hurting) the new owner. Also this may go towards proving to CCP that the RMT on the toons was done under a diferent name so people who purchase toons don't get banned for the previous owners malfeasance. Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. Typical NULL SEC arguement to NERF HI SEC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csPPqdbcVwM |
destiny2
47
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Posted - 2012.11.27 19:21:00 -
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So you want to change your name and clear your corp history, okay fine simple solution. send yourself a buddy program invite,. create a new char, and guess what you just did that for less then 100$ :O you just saved money WOOT! |
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
13
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:04:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:Guys, please try stay on-topic and avoid the trolling. I know it is hard for some of you
Are you trolling the trollers now? ^^ |
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
6714
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:28:00 -
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Corp Spies: AARRGGGHHH!!!! My name and history sucks!!! Change it, change it, change it...
Eve community: NO!!! *with one foot held on spies' chest*
Me: Actually, your history can be changed if you know the right people irl. This whole "you can not change your history" mentallity is complete BS and unrealistic. If this game is truly a sandbox with limitless possiblity, then name and history changes are and should be completely possible. Granted, diifficult it should be but still doable.
BTW, do you really know someones history? Even if they tell you, should you still trust them.
This boils down to players actually learning how to communicate and how to read people effectively and not just going by a list of previous assignments. Employers take this risk everyday when they review and interview potential hires. It introduces a whole new level of gameplay. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
306
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Posted - 2012.11.30 16:41:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Quote:It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again . IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
Under that logic local intel should be gone tomorrow. |
Mariadar
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:35:00 -
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I would also welcome the option to change name.
If it was technically possible, we could have a history of previous aliases / names and their employment history (using simple drop-down boxes perhaps?).
For example: Name 1 - corp1, corp2, corp3 Name2 - corp3, corp4
I think this might be handy for the characters that get sold as you would almost start a clean slate, but if the name had a bad reputation they could still check it and check with the respective corps.
I think we all agree on having some sort of name history and using the above mentioned method might also help with the previous corp employments. But instead of wiping the history it would rather sort it. Essentially history and reputation is tied to the name and not the character. |
Verushka Atreides
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:36:00 -
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I totally disagree with allowing name changes, corp wipes, or anything that impacts the legacy of the char (including, contract histories etc). You are buying/selling the character, not parts of the character. everything is included, good and bad.
If you named your Char l333t pewpew0mgawd then you are the dumb ass who did so. Own up to it Mr pewpew0mgawd.
Changing name before selling it to increase it's attractiveness / value / attempt to hide should not be allowed. As for buyers who want the char but not the name, tough luck, packaged deal roll your own with the name you want then. You are stuck with the name it has just like you are stuck with the SP in things you don't want.
On that note, I think CCP needs to look into releasing names, particularly trial accounts that have been inactive for 6+ months. I doubt very much that people who have rolled a trial, played for 2 days, and never logged in again are ever coming back to that account.
I suppose you could refrain from deleting them, as there are already are processes to name chars yyyyCitizenxxxx arn't there? In those circumstances upon their return selecting a new name would be reasonable. In that case you would be looking at chars that have had no chance to make a significant history, have no significant sp, value etc.
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
6730
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:13:00 -
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Ok, I've been reading both sides of this issue and I understand where some of you are coming from. But, I also see that most of it is from a moral stand point, including you CCP Falcon.
I also understand that CCP wants to keep their hands out of the actual player interactions as much as possible.
Here is an idea that I purpose.
How about there is a skill tree that allows for characters to change other characters names and manipulate their personal history. (Notice I said manipulate, I'll come back to that.) Now, the characters who train these skills still can not change their own name or personal history. There could be other restriction based on security status and what not. (haven't really thought about that side of it yet).
Back to the manipulation of player history. Depending on the character's skill level will determine how far back they can manipulate the other character's history. There could also be an invisible tag that is left behind on the altered character to show that it has been manipulated. Yes, invisible.
On the reverse side, there would be a counter skill under say corp management. Depending on the skill level will determine if and how far back you can see that tag that is usually invisible to the unskilled character. If you don't train this skill, it's your own fault if your corp gets robbed. Remember, consequences of your choices.
What this has the potential to do for EVE:
1. Encourage more player interaction, and not just scams. 2. Creates another player based service. 3. Creates another means for the velocity of isk (transfer of isk from one character to another) to help with the ingame economy and inflation(granted not much on the inflation) 4. I'm sure there are a few others but my brain isn't working right now.
These are just thoughts and ideas. If you can think of anything to add please do so. I'm only looking for constructive criticism and one line comments will be ignored unless it does make a quick valid point. I will admit this is a rough outline and probably has a few holes in it but I'm sure we can figure something out that can please both sides of this argument.
The very essence of this topic is EVE. There are no rules or regulations against this kind of thing because it is an anything goes kind of game (new player harassment aside). To me it would NOT make sense to leave this aspect of the game out of EVE. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
566
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:27:00 -
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No name changes at all period end of discussion. If you poop your pants in the dream, then you poop your pants for real. Names have consequences. The consequence of not training for something yourself and buying a used second (or third, fourth, etc..) hand toon is being stuck with that toons legacy. If you want a clean legacy/name, you must make a clean character and have all the growing pains associated with it. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
306
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Posted - 2012.12.01 00:23:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:No name changes at all period end of discussion. If you poop your pants in the dream, then you poop your pants for real. Names have consequences. The consequence of not training for something yourself and buying a used second (or third, fourth, etc..) hand toon is being stuck with that toons legacy. If you want a clean legacy/name, you must make a clean character and have all the growing pains associated with it.
Chech. Preach on Passtah. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
108
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Posted - 2012.12.01 04:51:00 -
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Namechange/Employment History deletion? Absolutly not.........as we say here in New York " You make your bed, you sleep in it Pal" New Player retention is important to our community. |
Tom Gerard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
651
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Posted - 2012.12.01 05:34:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Namechange/Employment History deletion? Absolutly not.........as we say here in New York " You make your bed, you sleep in it Pal"
... oh boy New York stupidity now in this thread. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
463
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Posted - 2012.12.01 06:23:00 -
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I guess you have to ask what a person is purchasing when they buy a Character.
You should really just be purchasing it for the Skill Points and NPC standings. Let be honest any reputation good or bad was done by another person. That person is no longer in control and as such that rep is now null in void.
I think You should be forced to change the name. All corp History should be wiped. And a line inserted stating the date of purchase.
But this should only happen when some buys a character, this should not be a option for someone who just wants to clear there record. EVERYBODY KNOWS |
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
580
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Posted - 2012.12.03 19:15:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
NO
Look better on the bazaar...Plenty of characters for sale without a ruined reputation...Then again, they might not be as cheap you want them to be.
Your idea jsut makes people with money have more ability then people without money. AKA pay2win feature is back....Guys assemble in Jita on the monument...
EDIT:
Also, if you buy some character from the forums, you can always use the same thread in the future to proof you have bought that character. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |
Alxea
Blood RaiderZ. Disaster Strikes
104
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:21:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I believe you've forgot to wear your monocle.
P.S. PLEX could / should be sufficient for name change service.
Monocle you say!? |
Lord Calus
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
58
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:26:00 -
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I would be a fan of having characters bought/sold on the Bazaar having their corp history wiped. It is going to a new owner, so the history is effectively null before the point of sale.
DoB at char creation date. Redacted history from creation date to sale/xfer date. Normal corp history with starter corp being on date of x-fer completion. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
7024
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:32:00 -
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I say release the ability to change names and history but don't tell anyone that it has been released. Let's see how long it takes for people to catch on.
I know it's technically illegal to not tell us but it could be obscure wording in patch notes. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Talos Kemak
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:06:00 -
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I haven't read others ideas but here's my opinion and solution: I think that name change and corp history should be allowed to be erased, but at the same time an option of history search should be added to a locator/ public relationships agent for 'x' amount of isk. This way corp history is not really erased but hidden very well, and for the right amount of isk it can be revealed to you after let's say 3 days. Also I believe that time stamp from your corp history should be completely erased... I think it silly to show someone's age in this game simply because it ruins things for new players as it marks them as a fresh target and in the same time It harms old players because new players are so freakishly afraid of anyone who is older than 6 month.
Wrote this from my phone,my apologies for any grammatical mistakes. |
Tazarak theDeceiver
Malleus Labiarum Solar Citizens
28
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:17:00 -
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I would give any sum of money to change my name. I'd even eat hakarl.
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Scavy Proximus
Liberty Storm
0
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:34:00 -
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I'm all against name changes and clearing of history, this is EVE, one of the most ruthless and savage games in existence..
If you buy a character then you buy it with it's name and history, and if the character has a history as a corp thief or what is worse, then it should be that much cheaper to buy. |
snakebreath
The Last Call. Against ALL Anomalies
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 09:55:00 -
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Grog Barrel wrote:A world without repercussions? Sounds ****** to be honest.
Why the hell not, can change your name in rl too.... |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
581
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:01:00 -
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Please do it....
I will trow some PLEXes into the system and just claim a lot of names...
Have you thought of the downside that EVERY time you rename you have to think of something totally unique.
Atm when a character is biomassed his name comes open again for use, when you do have history in names, it isn't possible cause it means multiple people have the same name in their history. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:14:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Please do it....
I will trow some PLEXes into the system and just claim a lot of names...
Have you thought of the downside that EVERY time you rename you have to think of something totally unique.
Atm when a character is biomassed his name comes open again for use, when you do have history in names, it isn't possible cause it means multiple people have the same name in their history.
EDIT:
Usually say in New Citizen part of forum that stupid ideas and questions don't exist.
You have just showed how wrong I was.
Your right, it could never work out....If it could than other MMOs probably would have already adopted it.....Oh wait......
BTW, I just ran into a guy at work today that had the same name as me, John Brown..... |
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