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Youwai
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:32:00 -
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So my skill plan for a golem, to finally run L4s without any trouble takes 250D, 9h, 20m and 38s. What exactly CCP want me to do in this 250D, 9h, 20m and 38s?
(Btw: here it is, up for critisism:
Cruise Missiles IV Electronics Upgrades I Electronics Upgrades II Electronics Upgrades III Evasive Maneuvering I Evasive Maneuvering II Evasive Maneuvering III Signature Analysis I Signature Analysis II Signature Analysis III Signature Analysis IV Caldari Battleship III Target Painting I Target Painting II Target Painting III Target Painting IV Signature Focusing I Signature Focusing II Signature Focusing III Electronic Warfare II Frequency Modulation I Frequency Modulation II Electronic Warfare III Long Distance Jamming I Long Distance Jamming II Electronics Upgrades IV Long Range Targeting II Long Range Targeting III Long Range Targeting IV Warp Drive Operation I Warp Drive Operation II Warp Drive Operation III Targeting IV Targeting V Energy Systems Operation V Multitasking I Multitasking II Multitasking III Cruise Missiles V Electronics Upgrades V Cybernetics V Evasive Maneuvering IV Warp Drive Operation IV Spaceship Command V Energy Management V Hull Upgrades III Hull Upgrades IV Thermic Armor Compensation I Thermic Armor Compensation II Thermic Armor Compensation III Kinetic Armor Compensation I Kinetic Armor Compensation II Kinetic Armor Compensation III EM Armor Compensation I EM Armor Compensation II EM Armor Compensation III Explosive Armor Compensation I Explosive Armor Compensation II Explosive Armor Compensation III Torpedoes I Torpedoes II Torpedoes III Torpedoes IV Cruise Missile Specialization I Cruise Missile Specialization II Cruise Missile Specialization III Cruise Missile Specialization IV Caldari Battleship IV Caldari Battleship V Energy Grid Upgrades V Weapon Upgrades V Advanced Weapon Upgrades I Advanced Weapon Upgrades II Advanced Weapon Upgrades III Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV Rapid Launch V Advanced Weapon Upgrades V Marauders I Marauders II Marauders III Marauders IV Warhead Upgrades I Warhead Upgrades II Warhead Upgrades III Target Navigation Prediction V Missile Bombardment V Combat Drone Operation I Combat Drone Operation II Combat Drone Operation III Combat Drone Operation IV Combat Drone Operation V Caldari Drone Specialization I Caldari Drone Specialization II Amarr Drone Specialization I Amarr Drone Specialization II Drone Navigation I Drone Navigation II Drone Navigation III Drone Navigation IV Heavy Drone Operation I Heavy Drone Operation II Heavy Drone Operation III Heavy Drone Operation IV Long Range Targeting V Signature Analysis V Mechanic V Hull Upgrades V Warp Drive Operation V Evasive Maneuvering V Acceleration Control I Acceleration Control II Acceleration Control III Acceleration Control IV Afterburner II Afterburner III High Speed Maneuvering I High Speed Maneuvering II High Speed Maneuvering III High Speed Maneuvering IV Fuel Conservation I Fuel Conservation II Fuel Conservation III Fuel Conservation IV )
I could do L3 combat missions, but, they are not worth it isk wise. I could do L4 courier missions, but, they are not worth it isk wise and are totally boring. For every Industry stuff my plan even grows and I really dont want to manufacture stupid stuff. I could do PvP but this is not possible without Isk (thats why I want L4s) and the stuff I mine with my alt is for the golem.
So any hints what I could do? Everytime I login I feel completly empty, and I dont know what to do. Seeing the needed time of 250D, 9h, 20m and 38s isnt helping at all!!
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:34:00 -
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Don't run missions. You'll get bored and quit within a month.
Scam people for isk and then use it to blow up ships. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:36:00 -
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If flying level 4's without any trouble is your main goal in EVE you are in for a dissapointment There are many skills that you can play with. But I guess there in lies the problem.
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Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
26
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:51:00 -
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It does not take lots of isk to PVP. I go months at a time with only like 30 mil in my wallet.
Also, the whole point of EVE is pretty much figuring out fun ways to take isk from people. Either you are good at this and you can spend your time doing things you like to do in EVE, or you end up having to "work for your living" and spend a month running lvl 4 missions to buy a PVP ship and then get it blown up and looted (Therefore supporting those of us who can't stomach the tedium of EVE's PVE.) |
Youwai
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:57:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:If flying level 4's without any trouble is your main goal in EVE you are in for a dissapointment There are many skills that you can play with. But I guess there in lies the problem. Slade
No its not my main goal. But I have the strange feeling that I need a good isk income source for further fun in EVE. |
Catlos JeminJees
E.M.P. Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:05:00 -
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0/10
my Ishtar does lvl 4 missions no problem. why not aim for something a little less skill intensive?
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Ejit
STD contractors
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:07:00 -
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Forget that Golem plan and skill for a Paladin or Vargur instead.
Trust me, Golem will not live up to your expectations and you'll be very disappointed.
To quantify the level of disappointment you'll experience! imagine picking up the hottest girl in a nightclub, only to get her back to your place and discover she's wearing a padded bra |
Youwai
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:08:00 -
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Catlos JeminJees wrote:0/10
my Ishtar does lvl 4 missions no problem. why not aim for something a little less skill intensive?
For example?
All I know is that my raven gets blown up in no time (extravaganza etc.), no fun at all. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:13:00 -
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a t2 fit apocalypse can run lvl 4s fine. and thats t2 without t2 guns which take the longest. |
Generals4
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:13:00 -
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Youwai wrote:Catlos JeminJees wrote:0/10
my Ishtar does lvl 4 missions no problem. why not aim for something a little less skill intensive?
For example? All I know is that my raven gets blown up in no time (extravaganza etc.), no fun at all.
If i managed to do lvl 4's in a poorly skilled Rokh back when i did lvl 4's surely a raven can manage just fine. Oh and CNR's are very good at missioning from what i've heard.
And your plan seems borked. Why hull upgrades V for a Shield tanking ship? why Armor compensations?
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:17:00 -
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Just allow me to chime in here real quick..
Marauders suck. They were made completely irrelevant after the Noctis was introduced. Mainly for the reason you brought to bear.. they take too long to train for and are not the top ISK makers on missions.
Get a pirate battleship (either a mach or a nightmare. Ideally, both.. and use each to their strenghts (NM against slow and well shielded rats, mach against quick and heavy armored rats). Truth of the matter is that both are equally effective at mowing through level 4's... because if you're taking more than 10 minutes to complete a level 4 then you're doing it wrong. Don't bother with salvage.
EDIT: Also forget about "pimp" fits. They are unecessary and are a gank magnet. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Ejit
STD contractors
5
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:18:00 -
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Hull Upgrades V doesn't hurt if your shield tanking or armour. 5% extra armour per level can mean the difference between warping out with your ship, or a pod. I've always considered it one of the core skills for any char to complete regardless of role. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
60
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:21:00 -
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Ejit wrote:Hull Upgrades V doesn't hurt if your shield tanking or armour. 5% extra armour per level can mean the difference between warping out with your ship, or a pod. I've always considered it one of the core skills for any char to complete regardless of role.
Not needed.. there are no level 4 missions that push a ship's tank soo much that you need to flee. If the pilot has to flee, pilot is doing wrong.
Also this plays on my comment on not using pimp fits. They are not needed either. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Malkuth Delapounti
Bulldog Industries. Two Zero One One
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:26:00 -
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I'm a new guy too just almost 2 months in maybe less I forgot lol. -áAnyway I do missions for faction and Corp ratings.
My first foray into pvp this weekend I lost 2 thoraxes and a frigate. -áAnd you know what didn't even put a dent in wallet. -á
Don't be afraid to do pvp losing ships is just part of the fun. -áLose what you can afford to lose and it will be fun.
I lost 2 thoraxes to a 2 year old player in a frigate lol.. -á
I lost my frigate to a very persistent battlecruiser chasing me in lowsec while I ratted. -á-á
'twas fun |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
60
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:35:00 -
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Malkuth Delapounti wrote:I'm a new guy too just almost 2 months in maybe less I forgot lol. -áAnyway I do missions for faction and Corp ratings.
My first foray into pvp this weekend I lost 2 thoraxes and a frigate. -áAnd you know what didn't even put a dent in wallet. -á
Don't be afraid to do pvp losing ships is just part of the fun. -áLose what you can afford to lose and it will be fun.
I lost 2 thoraxes to a 2 year old player in a frigate lol.. -á
I lost my frigate to a very persistent battlecruiser chasing me in lowsec while I ratted. -á-á
'twas fun
This one is doing it right.
I see high-sec carebears that have tens of billions on their wallets, cower from going with a 30 million ship into a 100 man fleet to do a low-sec incursion. That is not fear, that is downright fobia. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Youwai
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:37:00 -
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Ok CNRs is an option I heard about, have to look for a decent skill plan.
Renan Ruivo wrote:Just allow me to chime in here real quick..
Marauders suck. They were made completely irrelevant after the Noctis was introduced. Mainly for the reason you brought to bear.. they take too long to train for and are not the top ISK makers on missions.
Get a pirate battleship (either a mach or a nightmare. Ideally, both.. and use each to their strenghts (NM against slow and well shielded rats, mach against quick and heavy armored rats). Truth of the matter is that both are equally effective at mowing through level 4's... because if you're taking more than 10 minutes to complete a level 4 then you're doing it wrong. Don't bother with salvage.
EDIT: Also forget about "pimp" fits. They are unecessary and are a gank magnet.
NM and Macha? Isnt it better for me to choose other pirate BS as a caldari? To reduce the skill time? |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:37:00 -
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why are you training armor skills when you are clearly a raven pilot.
Also you dont need heavy drones for ravens.
Finally you can run level 4's no problem early only if you train your shield skills high enough. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:39:00 -
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Spend a day doing level 4s.
Blow all of your isk on rifters and destroy the dreams of others. |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:41:00 -
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Youwai wrote:Catlos JeminJees wrote:0/10
my Ishtar does lvl 4 missions no problem. why not aim for something a little less skill intensive?
For example? All I know is that my raven gets blown up in no time (extravaganza etc.), no fun at all.
urdoingitwrong
fit smarter fly smarter. I trained up a marauder mission running alt in 1/3 the time you're posting, including T2 Large turrets (take about 3x as long as your T2 missiles.) There are so many useless skills in your plan for a mission character. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:44:00 -
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Use the time for SKILL training.
Skill training as in learning how best to use your ships, guns, mods, fleets, corpies etc. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
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Youwai
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:53:00 -
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mkint wrote:Youwai wrote:Catlos JeminJees wrote:0/10
my Ishtar does lvl 4 missions no problem. why not aim for something a little less skill intensive?
For example? All I know is that my raven gets blown up in no time (extravaganza etc.), no fun at all. urdoingitwrong fit smarter fly smarter. I trained up a marauder mission running alt in 1/3 the time you're posting, including T2 Large turrets (take about 3x as long as your T2 missiles.) There are so many useless skills in your plan for a mission character.
then post it here. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:56:00 -
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Youwai wrote:NM and Macha? Isnt it better for me to choose other pirate BS as a caldari? To reduce the skill time?
The only other pirate BS you can fly and still take advantage of your caldari skills is the Rattlesnake, but quite honestly, the ratler pales in comparasion with the NM and the Mach. Not to mention, you also have to train a lot of drone skills better spent in Laser specialization or projectile specialization. For you, i'd recommend the Nightmare. Its one half Caldari BS one half Amarr BS, and training Amarr BS + Lasers will help you in the long run should you choose to do PVP.
Trust me, i've been through that path. To me it was Drake > Raven > CNR > Nightmare and i haven't look back since.
Train your capacitor and shield skills (both core to caldari pilots), train caldari BS (also core), train gunnery (will help you with everything else), train lasers (either Mega Pulse II or faction tachyons. The latter is quicker, and quite personally my favourite pick for missioning. T2 Tachyons suck for missioning because T2 beam ammo sucks for missioning and the faction turret makes better use of faction ammo regardless of beam spec skills).
Get the best NM mission fits from battleclinic, train yourself to use them to the max and watch videos of people using them nightmares. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:57:00 -
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Why would you waste all that time getting into a Murader when a Tengu is far superior and takes less time to train into?
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.03 23:00:00 -
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All learning skills to 5 first. Take it from there. Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.04 01:28:00 -
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This has been my biggest gripe about the game each time I try to play it. I need a heck of a lot more SP to do what I want to do... what is fun for me... and I have a hard time paying for the game until I get to that point. Like, 3 months at least. At least now you can pay your subscription with ISK. That helps. Maybe this time I will stay longer than a month, lol. |
Catlos JeminJees
E.M.P. Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.04 01:33:00 -
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Youwai wrote:Catlos JeminJees wrote:0/10
my Ishtar does lvl 4 missions no problem. why not aim for something a little less skill intensive?
For example? All I know is that my raven gets blown up in no time (extravaganza etc.), no fun at all.
Again
0/10 |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.10.04 01:37:00 -
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Youwai wrote:So my skill plan for a golem, to finally run L4s without any trouble takes 250D, 9h, 20m and 38s. What exactly CCP want me to do in this 250D, 9h, 20m and 38s?
(Btw: here it is, up for critisism:
Cruise Missiles IV Electronics Upgrades I Electronics Upgrades II Electronics Upgrades III Evasive Maneuvering I Evasive Maneuvering II Evasive Maneuvering III Signature Analysis I Signature Analysis II Signature Analysis III Signature Analysis IV Caldari Battleship III Target Painting I Target Painting II Target Painting III Target Painting IV Signature Focusing I Signature Focusing II Signature Focusing III Electronic Warfare II Frequency Modulation I Frequency Modulation II Electronic Warfare III Long Distance Jamming I Long Distance Jamming II Electronics Upgrades IV Long Range Targeting II Long Range Targeting III Long Range Targeting IV Warp Drive Operation I Warp Drive Operation II Warp Drive Operation III Targeting IV Targeting V Energy Systems Operation V Multitasking I Multitasking II Multitasking III Cruise Missiles V Electronics Upgrades V Cybernetics V Evasive Maneuvering IV Warp Drive Operation IV Spaceship Command V Energy Management V Hull Upgrades III Hull Upgrades IV Thermic Armor Compensation I Thermic Armor Compensation II Thermic Armor Compensation III Kinetic Armor Compensation I Kinetic Armor Compensation II Kinetic Armor Compensation III EM Armor Compensation I EM Armor Compensation II EM Armor Compensation III Explosive Armor Compensation I Explosive Armor Compensation II Explosive Armor Compensation III Torpedoes I Torpedoes II Torpedoes III Torpedoes IV Cruise Missile Specialization I Cruise Missile Specialization II Cruise Missile Specialization III Cruise Missile Specialization IV Caldari Battleship IV Caldari Battleship V Energy Grid Upgrades V Weapon Upgrades V Advanced Weapon Upgrades I Advanced Weapon Upgrades II Advanced Weapon Upgrades III Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV Rapid Launch V Advanced Weapon Upgrades V Marauders I Marauders II Marauders III Marauders IV Warhead Upgrades I Warhead Upgrades II Warhead Upgrades III Target Navigation Prediction V Missile Bombardment V Combat Drone Operation I Combat Drone Operation II Combat Drone Operation III Combat Drone Operation IV Combat Drone Operation V Caldari Drone Specialization I Caldari Drone Specialization II Amarr Drone Specialization I Amarr Drone Specialization II Drone Navigation I Drone Navigation II Drone Navigation III Drone Navigation IV Heavy Drone Operation I Heavy Drone Operation II Heavy Drone Operation III Heavy Drone Operation IV Long Range Targeting V Signature Analysis V Mechanic V Hull Upgrades V Warp Drive Operation V Evasive Maneuvering V Acceleration Control I Acceleration Control II Acceleration Control III Acceleration Control IV Afterburner II Afterburner III High Speed Maneuvering I High Speed Maneuvering II High Speed Maneuvering III High Speed Maneuvering IV Fuel Conservation I Fuel Conservation II Fuel Conservation III Fuel Conservation IV )
I could do L3 combat missions, but, they are not worth it isk wise. I could do L4 courier missions, but, they are not worth it isk wise and are totally boring. For every Industry stuff my plan even grows and I really dont want to manufacture stupid stuff. I could do PvP but this is not possible without Isk (thats why I want L4s) and the stuff I mine with my alt is for the golem.
So any hints what I could do? Everytime I login I feel completly empty, and I dont know what to do. Seeing the needed time of 250D, 9h, 20m and 38s isnt helping at all!!
golem is a waste of time..... save time and splash out on a rattlesnake.... its actually better |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
123
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Posted - 2011.10.04 02:05:00 -
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Yeah if your a rookie, you have lots to do before you get in a big expencive ship and have it blown up in L4s... and there are far FAR better ways to make iskies to fuel what you want to do.
I must admit I've been very happy with faction warfare, go do that. get some PVP and PVE action quickly and easily. Pays well enough too, get experiance in most aspects of the game.
Or anything else in the world to do. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
64
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Posted - 2011.10.04 02:26:00 -
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I PVP as much as i can but i also enjoy the occasional missioning/ratting. Its pretty brain-dead and goes well with coffee. Like fishing... you occasionally get the faction/officer rat.. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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