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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
151
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:My point is that if they are making ISK off the bots, why on Earth would they ever report them ?
Bots are bad for the game. Why wouldn't we report them? Also, if you think a bot buys a mining permit you're bonkers. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
37
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:35:00 -
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Out of curiosity why are bots bad? Well to be more specific non ISK adding bots(not things shooting rats or missioning)
Also why does the miner bumpers never show up in lowsec? And the miners move to solitude and placid? |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
156
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:46:00 -
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I don't know what role playing is worse, WoW players role playing hermaphroditic animals having sex or this. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1775
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:47:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Out of curiosity why are bots bad? Well to be more specific non ISK adding bots(not things shooting rats or missioning)
Also why does the miner bumpers never show up in lowsec? And the miners move to solitude and placid? ITT: I've covered this multiple times.
Bots increase supply unchecked, devaluing the profession of mining.
The more materials are in the supply pool, the less value there is in mining any other way but AFK or botting.
Value = Demand / Supply.
Supply goes up unchecked, value goes down. It's simple economics. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
37
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Posted - 2012.11.19 00:10:00 -
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So the miners move onto industry (we set the prices actually) and leave the afkish stuff for the truly af..
Did one of your cohorts just bum the station hull outside my quarters? I swear that loud bang was from one of them. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1146
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Posted - 2012.11.19 00:24:00 -
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Thread has been cleaned up a little. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you and have a pleasant evening. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
151
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Posted - 2012.11.19 00:38:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:So the miners move onto industry (we set the prices actually) and leave the afkish stuff for the truly af..
Did one of your cohorts just bump the station hull outside my quarters? I swear that loud bang was from one of them.
Have you ever considered gracefully accepting defeat? It works, you know. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
37
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:27:00 -
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Never surrender, never give up, Drill Baby Drill! I have not yet begun to fight! In fact I have never fought at all! Okay maybe just a little, and I helped kill a carrier.
But really why charge for a mining permit, much less add the other requirements to it? Why not just bump now and bump until you grow bored since it now appears to be ok? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3409
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:17:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Never surrender, never give up, Drill Baby Drill! I have not yet begun to fight! In fact I have never fought at all! Okay maybe just a little, and I helped kill a carrier.
But really why charge for a mining permit, much less add the other requirements to it? Why not just bump now and bump until you grow bored since it now appears to be ok?
Bumping for the sake of bumping probably counts as a breach of the EULA, bumping in the hope of the bumped paying the bumper some ISK, to be left alone and in the process abide by the code, has a purpose and is the same as holding a ship or pod to ransom. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Smiknight
The Plebian Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:24:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification: Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so. However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:
- Bumping is not considered harassment.
- Bumping is not considered griefing.
- Bumping is not against the rules.
It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned. Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight. There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination.
Interesting, because a friend of mine nearly scored a ban for it. I think someone deserves an apology for that.
It is disheartening to see a game once steeped in cerebral thought and innovative thinking become so homogenized by entitlement and malaise; that indidviduals should instill a theme park existence through a lack of desire to overcome any and all obstacles and instead demand things be made easier for them via nerfs. |
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Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:33:00 -
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I guess the New order thinks they have a monopoly on bumping. They don't.
For every New Order doing their "noble work" there are 10 copycats because it is kool.
For every AFK Mackinaw that gets bumped there are 10 non AFK Wreathes with Gaussian mining lasers getting bumped in a starter zone.
And people pay a fee for what? So that they can AFK mine? So now you are protecting the behaviour that bumping was supposed to disparage?
My only point is none of this makes sense. What would make sense is if you bump me, using what CCP admits is a combat maneuver, you are now flagged and I have the opportunity to return the aggression in kind.
I mine once a month if that. But I have the bit between my teeth on this because I have a low tolerance for stupid.
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
38
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:36:00 -
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I do like the idea of bumping triggering combat. Set it so you do not solidify until you have exited the station bubble and thus there will be no fireworks heralding exits. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
984
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:38:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:I guess the New order thinks they have a monopoly on bumping. They don't.
For every New Order doing their "noble work" there are 10 copycats because it is kool.
For every AFK Mackinaw that gets bumped there are 10 non AFK Wreathes with Gaussian mining lasers getting bumped in a starter zone.
And people pay a fee for what? So that they can AFK mine? So now you are protecting the behaviour that bumping was supposed to disparage?
My only point is none of this makes sense. What would make sense is if you bump me, using what CCP admits is a combat maneuver, you are now flagged and I have the opportunity to return the aggression in kind.
I mine once a month if that. But I have the bit between my teeth on this because I have a low tolerance for stupid.
Thanks for being brave enough to type this.
Bumping and taking ISK to stop it, instead of reporting bad behavior (bots and AFK), should have consequences. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
984
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:40:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:I do like the idea of bumping triggering combat. Set it so you do not solidify until you have exited the station bubble and thus there will be no fireworks heralding exits.
If the New Order complains about this, they are not true to their playstyle. |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3097
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:47:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Thanks for being brave enough to type this.
Bumping and taking ISK to stop it, instead of reporting bad behavior (bots and AFK), should have consequences. It does have consequences. Good consequences, for a good act. It's called karma.
Nexus Day wrote:But I have the bit between my teeth on this because I have a low tolerance for stupid. You don't give yourself nearly enough credit.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range. |
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
101
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:51:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:I do like the idea of bumping triggering combat. Set it so you do not solidify until you have exited the station bubble and thus there will be no fireworks heralding exits.
As someone who griefs the **** out of people on a regular basis because it's fun, funny, and profitable, I cannot express how much I want something like this implemented. You have no idea how incredibly easy this would be to manipulate and exploit in order to kill tons of dumbasses, such as yourself. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
38
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:02:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:I do like the idea of bumping triggering combat. Set it so you do not solidify until you have exited the station bubble and thus there will be no fireworks heralding exits. As someone who griefs the **** out of people on a regular basis because it's fun, funny, and profitable, I cannot express how much I want something like this implemented. You have no idea how incredibly easy this would be to manipulate and exploit in order to kill tons of dumbasses, such as yourself. Oh no you can come kill me in lowsec plenty of times. Besides when dec 4th hits, I am never turning that safety off. Wouldnt be a true carebear if I did. |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
43
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:06:00 -
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Miner bumping is such a carebear activity o/ |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
580
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:10:00 -
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CCP won't help. Miners, it's time to trade the Strip Miners for a full rack of Neutrons.
You don't like it? Kill them, kill all of them, and teach them not to mess with you.
Fight for your rights.
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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
101
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:15:00 -
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Anslo wrote:CCP won't help. Miners, it's time to trade the Strip Miners for a full rack of Neutrons. You don't like it? Kill them, kill all of them, and teach them not to mess with you. Fight for your rights.
I don't think you realize how happy this would make me. So many free kills from so many terrible players. |
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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
101
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:18:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Oh no you can come kill me in lowsec plenty of times. Besides when dec 4th hits, I am never turning that safety off. Wouldnt be a true carebear if I did.
You do realize that if bumping were made an aggressive action, it would (most likely) be easy to game such that the miner was the one who got flagged for bumping the gank ship, which would promptly destroy the mining vessle, right? For example, I bump a miner with an alt into my main's ship. Since CCP wants to avoid individual aggression flags (as per the new crimewatch) both the alt and miner would end up receiving a 'bumping suspect flag'. The alt for bumping the miner, and the miner for bumping me. Can you guess which one gets shot?
EDIT: Sorry for double post |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
357
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Posted - 2012.11.19 05:54:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification: Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so. However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:
- Bumping is not considered harassment.
- Bumping is not considered griefing.
- Bumping is not against the rules.
It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned. Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight. There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination.
How much trouble are my alliance mates going to be in?
Quote: 5:22:01] NeoShocker > I'm jjust telling you. [05:34:53] WARisHELL Rinah > this is fun :) [05:42:23] WARisHELL Rinah > we're pettioning yoiu for player harrasment [05:42:34] WARisHELL Rinah > all of you [05:42:38] cbkilla > my ****, petition that [05:42:39] Cursed Matriarch > why u no bounce me too? [05:43:14] OmarIncursion > wait your petioning people for harassing you while you where in the act of harassing other people? [05:43:26] WARisHELL Rinah > if you kill it it's not harrasment [05:43:28] WARisHELL Rinah > due [05:43:31] WARisHELL Rinah > duh [05:44:23] WARisHELL Rinah > if yoiu take 3 hrs to bump it off grip it is [05:44:24] WARisHELL Rinah > ha [05:44:30] WARisHELL Rinah > get ready to be banned [05:49:08] WARisHELL Rinah > should be hearing from ccp any min
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.11.19 05:58:00 -
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Clicked expecting kill mail, left disappointed. |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:02:00 -
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BTW, maybe CCP wants to run over to EvEopedia where Miner Bumping is listed under Griefing.
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Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:05:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Oh no you can come kill me in lowsec plenty of times. Besides when dec 4th hits, I am never turning that safety off. Wouldnt be a true carebear if I did. You do realize that if bumping were made an aggressive action, it would (most likely) be easy to game such that the miner was the one who got flagged for bumping the gank ship, which would promptly destroy the mining vessle, right? For example, I bump a miner with an alt into my main's ship. Since CCP wants to avoid individual aggression flags (as per the new crimewatch) both the alt and miner would end up receiving a 'bumping suspect flag'. The alt for bumping the miner, and the miner for bumping me. Can you guess which one gets shot? EDIT: Sorry for double post You know it would be pretty easy to program around that, right?
And allowing individual aggression flags for bumping would also allow people to fully utilize the new bounty system by selling kill rights.
So it sounds like a winner to me. |
Preceptor Stigmartyr
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:07:00 -
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Quote: 5:22:01] NeoShocker > I'm jjust telling you. [05:34:53] WARisHELL Rinah > this is fun :) [05:42:23] WARisHELL Rinah > we're pettioning yoiu for player harrasment [05:42:34] WARisHELL Rinah > all of you [05:42:38] cbkilla > my ****, petition that [05:42:39] Cursed Matriarch > why u no bounce me too? [05:43:14] OmarIncursion > wait your petioning people for harassing you while you where in the act of harassing other people? [05:43:26] WARisHELL Rinah > if you kill it it's not harrasment [05:43:28] WARisHELL Rinah > due [05:43:31] WARisHELL Rinah > duh [05:44:23] WARisHELL Rinah > if yoiu take 3 hrs to bump it off [grid] it is [05:44:24] WARisHELL Rinah > ha [05:44:30] WARisHELL Rinah > get ready to be banned [05:49:08] WARisHELL Rinah > should be hearing from ccp any min
Aneeee minute now... Anee minute. 4/27 NEVER FORGET-áa¦á_a¦á |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
718
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:33:00 -
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can somebody please tell the OP that sniffing glue is bad for his mental health I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
83
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Pohbis wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned. Fine in 0.0 and low-sec, but in hi-sec it is circumventing CONCORD blowing you up when you "point" someone like this. Fun fact: no it isn't Fun fact:
When you point someone with a module in hi-sec you blow up.
When you "point" someone with a bump, you don't.
Now I am fine with bumping ships in hi-sec and I think CCPs general stance on not considering it griefing is fine.
However, when CCP Falcon starts blurring the picture by using the "point" argument it is opening a can of worms. There is no game mechanic in 0.0 or low-sec that spawns CONCORD if you point someone with a module, thus, nothing is being circumvented.
That is not the case in hi-sec tho. So while bumping someone out of range of an asteroid field would seem perfectly within the rules of the game, using it to "point" someone instead of using a module, is not.
That's my issue, CCP Falcon is taking a general response by the GM team that came from the "miner bumping" issue and widening its application by talking about "cheap mans point" and even brings in the war mechanics as an argument, allowing everybody to latch onto it and use it as a catch-all for every scenario involving bumping.
No talk about how people who use this to "point" people in hi-sec should use the war mechanic and declare war on their target, so they can point them.
Do I think they should change bumping? No, it's a valid mechanic to achieve certain things.
Do I think they should look at the scenarios were it is being used to circumvent game mechanics, like the need to declare war on your target so you can point them without CONCORD interference, or being able to "point" a neutral in hi-sec without getting concordokken? Yes. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:44:00 -
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This means that if I start bumping freighters until they pay up X millions, its legit?
What if I'm in an NPC corp, as ransoming makes bumping legit?
Time to start shining my BS. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
68
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Posted - 2012.11.19 10:43:00 -
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I used to bump miners for lols.
Wish I had thought of asking for isk to stop.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
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