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ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:41:00 -
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I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo; that's simply uninteresting and unengaging to be honest. I'm practically a couch-potato in real life with EVE, I don't want to be a vegetable in my Space Exploration Fantasy World. I'd like to have the lore put me on the bridge of a Frigate or Cruiser interacting with my crew and ship systems the old-fashioned way; you know, pointing and barking orders! CCP has already done the right thing by having a player decant from his or her pod with every CQ visit.
Ok, it has to be this and this way because a huge battleship can't be controlled fast enough without a genetically enhanced player controlling it with his mind. Whatever. It's all fiction and can be changed without further violating the laws of Physics. No planetary motion? No probs. No double-star systems (every stargate needs one?) No big deal. I just want to captain my ship like Rourke. Come on. I shouldn't even have to ask how Clear Skies would've been if JR was on a TV screen the whole time. Or that little bit in Clear Skies 2 when he's in the ESCAPE POD (no goo) and he can't find the com button? I LOVE That!!!
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1302
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:42:00 -
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I'm guessing Clear Skies would be an example then of suspension of suspension of disbelief. |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:46:00 -
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It would. It would also be an example of a more exciting way to command a battleship. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2953
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:52:00 -
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Many SW fans don't acknowledge that Jar-Jar Binks ever existed or that Boba Fett died in the Sarlak pit. Yet that's the way things happened. You too can pick and choose what EVE lore you believe all you want, but don't expect to it actually make a bit of difference to the official lore. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1302
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:57:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Many SW fans don't acknowledge that Jar-Jar Binks ever existed
I don't get why people hate him so much. Try watching Star Trek Voyager sometime and tell me if you don't think Neelix is infinitely more irritating. |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:00:00 -
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Well like I said CCP is already deviating from their own lore. Having the player exit their pod with every CQ visit is spending more that 1% of the clone's life outside of the goo. Also in the future if we see Extra Vehicular Operations exiting the Pod will become even more frequent.
Sure it's a tad superfluous; I can imagine it my way, but you can't win if you don't ask (Please CCP? :-)
(I go even so far as to not acknowledge the SW prequels; Classic only) |
Alara IonStorm
3522
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:18:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:Well like I said CCP is already deviating from their own lore. Having the player exit their pod with every CQ visit is spending more that 1% of the clone's life outside of the goo. Also in the future if we see Extra Vehicular Operations exiting the Pod will become even more frequent.
That is because the whole new cloning tech that lets you revive even outside the pod. Capsuleers sat in pods all the time because they are immortal their and they use Pods because 100% concentration is essential to controlling a big ship.
I like to think I have a hologram to interact with the bridge crew, I can speak through it, control its movements and give orders, when I need to be giving orders while 100% concentrating it gives orders to crew automatically based on what commands I give the ship.
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Insenia Rascope
Sanguinary Photon
0
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:19:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:Well like I said CCP is already deviating from their own lore. Having the player exit their pod with every CQ visit is spending more that 1% of the clone's life outside of the goo. Also in the future if we see Extra Vehicular Operations exiting the Pod will become even more frequent.
Sure it's a tad superfluous; I can imagine it my way, but you can't win if you don't ask (Please CCP? :-)
(I'd go even so far as to try and ignore the SW prequels; Classic only)
The player is given a choice if they want to exit the pod or not. When you remain in the ship hangar, the capsuleer doesn't leave the ship. Furthermore, it is not unusual for the capsuleer to exit their pod in a capsuleer-safe environment, even they like to stretch their legs every once in a while (according to the 2nd EVE book).
To the OP: you could use a Templar implant (like the Dust soldiers) to pilot small dropships or maybe even small frigates. However the amount of information processing required to fly a larger spacecraft is so enourmous, the electronic systems aboard that ship must be directly linked to the capsuleer via his pod. The pod is not just to keep the capsuleer alive, but mostly to process all data required to navigate the ship and its modules. As a compromize you could place a hologram of yourself on the bridge or something if you really hate the pod-idea. IDC
edit: ok, someone posted the almost same reaction a few seconds before I did. I want to note however, that capsuleers still aren't able to transmit their consiousness outside of a pod with the exception of the Broker. AFAIK the amount of data to be transferred is too much for the templar implant to handle |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
443
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:23:00 -
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Point of order: Boba Fett did not die in the sarlacc pit |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:30:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:That is because the whole new cloning tech that lets you revive even outside the pod. Capsuleers sat in pods all the time because they are immortal their and they use Pods because 100% concentration is essential to controlling a big ship.
I like to think I have a hologram to interact with the bridge crew, I can speak through it, control its movements and give orders, when I need to be giving orders while 100% concentrating it gives orders to crew automatically based on what commands I give the ship.
Yeah that's better than a TV screen. But of course to the concentration thing, referring to my first post, fiction can be overwritten with fiction. |
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2954
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:39:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Many SW fans don't acknowledge that Jar-Jar Binks ever existed I don't get why people hate him so much. Try watching Star Trek Voyager sometime and tell me if you don't think Neelix is infinitely more irritating.
I don't se how that's relevant. Getting hit in the face with a fist isn't going to feel good just because getting repeatedly hit in the balls by a baseball bat feels worse. |
Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1981
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:45:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:That is because the whole new cloning tech that lets you revive even outside the pod. Capsuleers sat in pods all the time because they are immortal their and they use Pods because 100% concentration is essential to controlling a big ship.
I like to think I have a hologram to interact with the bridge crew, I can speak through it, control its movements and give orders, when I need to be giving orders while 100% concentrating it gives orders to crew automatically based on what commands I give the ship.
Yeah that's better than a TV screen. But of course to the concentration thing, referring to my first post, fiction can be overwritten with fiction.
You can ask as much as you like, but as long as you realise that CCP are never going to change the EVE lore regarding pods you'll be fine. Just use your imagination "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Effect One
Selective Hearing Iron Oxide.
37
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:45:00 -
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If you actually read the books you would know that there are people out there who do command ships in the conventional ways. What sets capsuleers apart however is that they control their ships, as though they were extensions of themselves, through their pods.
That is why we, as players can go into belts or missions and tear apart 10s or 100s of ships without blinking. Due to the superior reaction times and awareness. |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:49:00 -
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Insenia Rascope wrote:edit: ok, someone posted the almost same reaction a few seconds before I did. I want to note however, that capsuleers still aren't able to transmit their consiousness outside of a pod with the exception of the Broker. AFAIK the amount of data to be transferred is too much for the templar implant to handle Wait, how would Capsuleers accomplish that with EVA's in the future? |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:53:00 -
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Effect One wrote:If you actually read the books you would know that there are people out there who do command ships in the conventional ways. What sets capsuleers apart however is that they control their ships, as though they were extensions of themselves, through their pods.
That is why we, as players can go into belts or missions and tear apart 10s or 100s of ships without blinking. Due to the superior reaction times and awareness. Seems like we just have more hitpoints and better weapons.. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:54:00 -
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There belief that my character single-handedly controls not only his spaceships, but his far flung financial empire, while floating naked in a goo filled pod is the only thing that keeps me logging in. |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
252
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:55:00 -
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If you use your imagination, you can be in your vat of goo linked to an avatar that commands the ship from the bridge. |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
508
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:40:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Many SW fans don't acknowledge that Jar-Jar Binks ever existed I don't get why people hate him so much. Try watching Star Trek Voyager sometime and tell me if you don't think Neelix is infinitely more irritating.
My favourite episodes of Voyager is when the Videans stole his lungs followed by the one where Q seals his mouth shut. I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1303
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:41:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Many SW fans don't acknowledge that Jar-Jar Binks ever existed I don't get why people hate him so much. Try watching Star Trek Voyager sometime and tell me if you don't think Neelix is infinitely more irritating. I don't se how that's relevant. Getting hit in the face with a fist isn't going to feel good just because getting repeatedly hit in the balls by a baseball bat feels worse. Kindly stop your objections. All I wanted was an excuse to talk about Voyager. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
261
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:43:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:I I'm practically a couch-potato in real life with EVE, so I don't want to be a vegetable
Have you considered changing this? Perhaps then it will be less of an issue.
I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2957
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:45:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Many SW fans don't acknowledge that Jar-Jar Binks ever existed I don't get why people hate him so much. Try watching Star Trek Voyager sometime and tell me if you don't think Neelix is infinitely more irritating. I don't se how that's relevant. Getting hit in the face with a fist isn't going to feel good just because getting repeatedly hit in the balls by a baseball bat feels worse. Kindly stop your objections. All I wanted was an excuse to talk about Voyager.
I'm objecting to the logic of one bad thing making another excusable. I have no objections to the topic of discussing Voyager. It's largely a horrible show with terrible characters and a few redeeming episodes. It's still a very fun show to ***** about, since it is compromised mainly from fail and unfulfilled potential. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
43
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:50:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:stuff... CCP has already done the right thing by having a player decant from his or her pod with every CQ visit.
...more stuff
Well, someday I guess there will be WiS and hopefully FiS (Fighting in Stations ) too. I would welcome, if pod pilots would loose a lot of skillpoints when dying outside their pods.
Imagine when evil folks breach the security of CQ and gank a pilot on his couch . |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
692
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:53:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo; that's simply uninteresting and unengaging to be honest. I'm practically a couch-potato in real life with EVE, so I don't want to be a vegetable in my Space Exploration Fantasy World. I'd like to have the lore put me on the bridge of a Frigate or Cruiser interacting with my crew and ship systems the old-fashioned way; you know, pointing and barking orders! CCP has already done the right thing by having a player decant from his or her pod with every CQ visit.
Ok, it has to be this and this way because a huge battleship can't be controlled fast enough without a genetically enhanced player controlling it with his mind. Whatever. It's all fiction and can be changed without further violating the laws of Physics. No planetary motion? No probs. No double-star systems (every stargate needs one?) No big deal. I just want to captain my ship like Rourke. Come on. I shouldn't even have to ask how Clear Skies would've been if JR was on a TV screen the whole time. Or that little bit in Clear Skies 2 when he's in the ESCAPE POD (no goo) and he can't find the com button? I LOVE That!!!
I like the lore as it is. You can think what you like, it wont change it.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
159
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:56:00 -
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Simple solution... OP imagine it so, and his pod is just an escape pod. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 10:50:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:I like the lore as it is. You can think what you like, it wont change it.
There's obviously going to be some who like it and some who don't. I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one in the later group. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
481
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:47:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo; that's simply uninteresting and unengaging to be honest.
"I dislike the complex and long running lore within the game and therefore I think it should be changed because I want to imagine my guy elading a cool alphamale life rather then mimicking my own betamale life".
Wow.
If you want to shout orders at people be a fleet commander. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
432
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:58:00 -
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Right... change the lore that has literally been there for 10 years pre-lease so that you can happy... riiiiiiiight.
I like the pod-of-goo lore. Combined with the camera drones makes for some good tech-**** and fits with the RL military trend of gradually reduced manning requirements (think Sulaco in Aliens).
In fact, I don't know why *any* ships needs a crew at all. On board drones and nanites can handle mopping the floors.
yk |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
359
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:04:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo; that's simply uninteresting and unengaging to be honest. I'm practically a couch-potato in real life with EVE, so I don't want to be a vegetable in my Space Exploration Fantasy World. I'd like to have the lore put me on the bridge of a Frigate or Cruiser interacting with my crew and ship systems the old-fashioned way; you know, pointing and barking orders! CCP has already done the right thing by having a player decant from his or her pod with every CQ visit.
Ok, it has to be this and this way because a huge battleship can't be controlled fast enough without a genetically enhanced player controlling it with his mind. Whatever. It's all fiction and can be changed without further violating the laws of Physics. No planetary motion? No probs. No double-star systems (every stargate needs one?) No big deal. I just want to captain my ship like Rourke. Come on. I shouldn't even have to ask how Clear Skies would've been if JR was on a TV screen the whole time. Or that little bit in Clear Skies 2 when he's in the ESCAPE POD (no goo) and he can't find the com button? I LOVE That!!!
Clear skies has a lot to answer for tbh. If it really upsets you that much just pretend you aren't a capsuleer, you clearly don't want to be one. |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:28:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:-1
Right... change the lore that has literally been there for 10 years pre-lease so that you can happy... riiiiiiiight.
I like the pod-of-goo lore. Combined with the camera drones makes for some good tech-**** and fits with the RL military trend of gradually reduced manning requirements (think Sulaco in Aliens).
In fact, I don't know why *any* ships needs a crew at all. On board drones and nanites can handle mopping the floors.
yk Because the Sulaco is a realistic example of a futuristic military ship. How asinine can you be. They made it manned by 15 people for the horror plotline of being alone in space. Having a behemoth starship with a fuckton of windows serving no purpose at all is some of the worst excuse for sci-fi out there. Certainly doesn't make for 'good tech-****' and it certainly isn't complex. |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
42
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:34:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Clear skies has a lot to answer for tbh. If it really upsets you that much just pretend you aren't a capsuleer, you clearly don't want to be one. Clear skies has a lot to answer for... riiiiiiiight. |
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