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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:35:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ocih wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ocih wrote:I know how you do it. I don't want to stop you from doing it. That gives you an EVE is becoming trammel soap box to climb up on to. I want to make it harder. So you know how we do it, but you also have no idea? How does that work exactly? Also if it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it? You make it seem complex. EHP reduced by more dps than there is EHP = dead freighter.Without Auto Pilot, you could still do this. You would never get a kill though if you did it docked at Autaris III. Well the underlined part is obvious, but literally everything else you've said about ganking freighters is wrong. Doesn't matter if I have it figured out. You do, you won;t mind if CCP remove Auto Pilot. You have it all figured out. Why is it in the Game CCP?
People have a choice wether to use it or not. Autopiloting can be stupid, but it can also be quite safe. To be perfectly honest, autopiloting being removed would not make things harder at all, it would just make people less likely to actually want to haul. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
434
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:38:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Title says it all.
Why is this 'feature' still in the game?
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What purpose would there be in removing it?
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Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1981
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:56:00 -
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I read this thread and literally the only thing that came to mind was "What is the OP on about?". This was further reinforced by reading his/her subsequent replies to other posters. Could the OP kindly explain in simple terms why they feel the Autopilot system needs removing?
EDIT: Just to add that my confusion may be due to lack of sleep, and the fact that I appear to have awoken at 5am, rather than anyone else being at fault "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
44
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:05:00 -
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Ocih wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Highsec.
Using it in nullsec is suicide, and it's inadvisable in low. It's suicide in high Sec too. You have the kill mails to prove it. Yes, but it's every single players individual choice to provide that killmail.
And also because I like autopiloting in shuttles on some characters . |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:14:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:I read this thread and literally the only thing that came to mind was "What is the OP on about?". This was further reinforced by reading his/her subsequent replies to other posters. Could the OP kindly explain in simple terms why they feel the Autopilot system needs removing? EDIT: Just to add that my confusion may be due to lack of sleep, and the fact that I appear to have awoken at 5am, rather than anyone else being at fault
It's just another example of the EVE Doctrine.
Your failure is my Success. If nobody makes mistakes, EVE stops working. When your game requires stupid people to play, your game should fail. |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:30:00 -
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Autopilot is destroying EVE!! remove it NAOW!
Meh, who cares? Just a leftover from pre-WTZ that a few still have some use for. Sorry, rebel without a cause. *waves hand* you want to go home and rethink your life. |
Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1981
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:30:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I read this thread and literally the only thing that came to mind was "What is the OP on about?". This was further reinforced by reading his/her subsequent replies to other posters. Could the OP kindly explain in simple terms why they feel the Autopilot system needs removing? EDIT: Just to add that my confusion may be due to lack of sleep, and the fact that I appear to have awoken at 5am, rather than anyone else being at fault It's just another example of the EVE Doctrine. Your failure is my Success. If nobody makes mistakes, EVE stops working. When your game requires stupid people to play, your game should fail.
Nope, it was definitely not my lack of sleep. Please clarify your reasons for wanting Autopilot removed. "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:45:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Ocih wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I read this thread and literally the only thing that came to mind was "What is the OP on about?". This was further reinforced by reading his/her subsequent replies to other posters. Could the OP kindly explain in simple terms why they feel the Autopilot system needs removing? EDIT: Just to add that my confusion may be due to lack of sleep, and the fact that I appear to have awoken at 5am, rather than anyone else being at fault It's just another example of the EVE Doctrine. Your failure is my Success. If nobody makes mistakes, EVE stops working. When your game requires stupid people to play, your game should fail. Nope, it was definitely not my lack of sleep. Please clarify your reasons for wanting Autopilot removed.
At this point it's centered around the objections I'm getting from Goons. That's a clear sign it's good for everyone else.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2088
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:45:00 -
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One common assumption is that with Autopilot, other freighter pilots will accept far lower ISK per jump rewards for hauling junk. Thus the removal of autopilot will (it is believed) increase the ISK per jump that other pilots will accept, thus allowing GÇ£meGÇ¥ to be the only freighter pilot stupid enough to offer the lowest ISK/jump fees, thus allowing GÇ£meGÇ¥ to win more contracts.
This falls down the moment GÇ£meGÇ¥ realises that GÇ£meGÇ¥ is not the only freighter pilot married to space trucking, and thus willing to undercut other offers until business is won.
Another common assumption is that other freighter pilots are only willing to do Rens to Jita runs due to Autopilot, and that one's willingness to manually pilot a freighter from Rens to Jita and back should be allowed to work as a competitive advantage. Again, this belief is predicated that no one else out there is as stupid as the one who believes this.
One rule of EVE (and indeed real life) is that there is always someone willing to work more hours for less money than you.
Edit: it is a rule, not the rule. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1074
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Posted - 2012.11.20 08:56:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Nope, it was definitely not my lack of sleep. Please clarify your reasons for wanting Autopilot removed. At this point it's centered around the objections I'm getting from Goons. That's a clear sign it's good for everyone else.
Except the part where it would affect everyone you're trying to help & we'd still be ganking freighters at the same frequency as before. This may shock you, but not all of the freighters killed are autopiloting.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
214
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Posted - 2012.11.20 09:00:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Probably wouldnt make sense to remove it
This. Also: It's a tarp. _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
85
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Posted - 2012.11.20 09:04:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Title says it all.
Why is this 'feature' still in the game?
For the same reasons that people are still asking for removal of WarpToZero?
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March rabbit
Aliastra
265
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Posted - 2012.11.20 09:05:00 -
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posting in stealth "mom, i want attention!" thread |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
756
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Posted - 2012.11.20 09:08:00 -
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So that folk can get 'easy' ganks from foolish pilots. This is not a signature. |
octahexx Charante
Morior Invictus. Ethereal Dawn
24
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Posted - 2012.11.20 10:11:00 -
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no its there for new players.
when they first undock in their noobship the guide teaches them how eve works and they autopilot to get to missions for learning more.
Its basicly the only way to get them started without imploding the brain with more information to take in then there already is.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5529
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Posted - 2012.11.20 11:14:00 -
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Having been there when there was no AP, I can tell you, you don't want to be without it.
Plus the fact that removing it would make gankers cry.
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
273
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Posted - 2012.11.20 11:15:00 -
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Oh for god sake people will cry over anything.
The autopilot is part of the game because it's imensely helpful for crossing large areas of space when you arent in any real danger or carrying anything expensive. This situation happens a lot for a lot of players, so that's why it's in the game. The number of idiots who lose ships due to inappropriate AP use has no relevance to the inclusion of AP in the game. It serves a purpose and serves it well while not allowing for totally safe travel and thus exploits.
Seriously you'd have to have a brain the size of a pencil erazer not to understand why an auto pilot is included in a long distance space faring game.
General discussion never fails to disappoint me. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
Ritsum
Perkone Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.11.20 11:23:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Having been there when there was no AP, I can tell you, you don't want to be without it.
Plus the fact that removing it would make gankers cry.
Meh they are too busy crying over how stronk Concord is and how they cannot gank certain ships for profit any more... I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
224
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Posted - 2012.11.20 11:28:00 -
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A better question is... why is WTZ still in game... and why was it buffed even further.
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
273
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Posted - 2012.11.20 11:34:00 -
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OP i have noticed several posters int his thread asking you to clarify in simple terms why you want this removed. I can only assume since you have tried to brush them all off with semi-witty back chat i can only assume you don't actually have a point at all.
Prove me wrong. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
104
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Posted - 2012.11.20 11:50:00 -
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Chribba wrote: Plus the fact that removing it would make gankers cry.
Ah now the OP makes sense, trolllliooooo! |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
192
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:06:00 -
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Autopilot is a good way to make gankers believe you are AFK flying when you are, in fact, not.
At least the dumber ones...
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:07:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Having been there when there was no AP, I can tell you, you don't want to be without it.
Plus the fact that removing it would make gankers cry.
I've never used it and yea, they are crying pretty hard just at the suggestion. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:14:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:OP i have noticed several posters int his thread asking you to clarify in simple terms why you want this removed. I can only assume since you have tried to brush them all off with semi-witty back chat that you don't actually have a point at all.
Prove me wrong.
No, you saw one guy ask me. I have several times, I just didn't answer it in such a was that they could use it to troll me. So they keeping throwing the line in. No worries, there are plenty of bites. I'm easy fishing that way.
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
104
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:26:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Keno Skir wrote:OP i have noticed several posters int his thread asking you to clarify in simple terms why you want this removed. I can only assume since you have tried to brush them all off with semi-witty back chat that you don't actually have a point at all.
Prove me wrong. No, you saw one guy ask me. I have several times, I just didn't answer it in such a was that they could use it to troll me. So they keeping throwing the line in. No worries, there are plenty of bites. I'm easy fishing that way.
Translation: I don't want people to troll me, I wanna do the trollin' |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
982
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:32:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:because it facilitates people doing stupid things, which creates content
^Because of this. Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:34:00 -
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Danks wrote:Ocih wrote:Keno Skir wrote:OP i have noticed several posters int his thread asking you to clarify in simple terms why you want this removed. I can only assume since you have tried to brush them all off with semi-witty back chat that you don't actually have a point at all.
Prove me wrong. No, you saw one guy ask me. I have several times, I just didn't answer it in such a was that they could use it to troll me. So they keeping throwing the line in. No worries, there are plenty of bites. I'm easy fishing that way. Translation: I don't want people to troll me, I wanna do the trollin'
That's still troll baiting. Lrn2read. I answered him. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
702
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:41:00 -
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Working as intended. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5151
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:42:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Title says it all.
Why is this 'feature' still in the game?
Because it's incredibly convenient to have a route suggested? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Terrorfrodo
GNADE Inc.
240
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:44:00 -
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Autopilot is convenient and has no drawbacks as a feature, so of course it's here to stay.
I have never been ganked in three years of EVE even though I occasionally use the autopilot. That's probably because I never use it if I carry more than 50m ISK worth of cargo.
The Autopilot is not only extremely convenient, it also provides lazy and stupid people a variety of ways to fail at EVE. It is a critical component of EVE that its complexity allows players to fail in a lot of different ways. If features like the autopilot are removed and thus complexity is reduced, people have fewer ways of failing available. This will make people appear competent who are in reality lazy and stupid, but were just not given the chance to show it. We don't want that. . |
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