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Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
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Posted - 2012.11.21 14:42:00 -
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I would like to share my first gas harvesting experience.
Last night I was bored and decided to to scan down some sights so I loaded up my buzzard with some probes and undocked. After about 10 mins of finding sights that have been all used up I found a nice little wormhole that seemed pretty quiet. Once in the wormhole I started scanning like crazy. I am pretty noobish when it comes to wormholes but they are truely fun and I actually feel safe in them than null or low sec.
Probes out and sleeper sites on scan low and behold I find a ladar site with some C72 gas pockets. Now I have never harvested gas so I instantly opened google and went to the eve uni wiki site. Ouch I discovered I need to skill up and fast so I donGÇÖt lose these pockets.
After half a dozen jumps to grab the Gas skill book and some T1 harvesters I fit up a thorax I have collecting dust in my hanger and I am off. By the time I get back to the pockets Lvl 1 is done and I am able to harvest.
I am an Indy by nature and boy did I think mining was boring but gas harvesting is I think the absolute most boring activity in EVE but.... boy is wormhole gas profitable. After a few hours and my skill que allowing me to use up to 3 harvesters I started to realize I need my alt to haul this commodity back to High sec. Couple of jumps later my hauling boat is making runs with pure profit in its cargohold.
In the end I made alittle over 500mil for a few hours of gas harvesting in a nice quiet wormhole and I have to say I love it.
I do have two questions. What boat is the best for gas harvesting and do you see a significant yield increase when using T2 harvesters?
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
208
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Posted - 2012.11.21 14:53:00 -
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Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh. Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield. Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant. |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
100
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:00:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh. Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield. Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant.
Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. I have the implant just havent used it yet. Somebody told me a roch is a good gas harvester is that true? Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
262
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:02:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh. Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield. Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant. Canes make great gas harvesters. but really any ship with at least 5 turret slots and a decent cargo hold is good.
I agree with the statement above. If you are serious about gas harvesting getting it to 5 so you can use 5 T2 harvesters is well worth the effort.
You didn't say if those few hours you spent was enough to harvest all the gas. If not you could have doubled you income in that time having the skills to 5 with T2 harvesters. If you did deplete the gas, well then you could have made the same isk in half the time, still doubling your isk/hr.
Wormholes are great isk/hr Just think, most WHers don't bother with the gas as it is not worth the effort compared to most other WH activities. Making 500 mil an hour is very common in a wormhole. you just need to factor in the times when you make nothing waiting for new sites to spawn. Day triping can be very fun though, as you have discovered. |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
100
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:04:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Reppyk wrote:Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh. Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield. Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant. Canes make great gas harvesters. but really any ship with at least 5 turret slots and a decent cargo hold is good. I agree with the statement above. If you are serious about gas harvesting getting it to 5 so you can use 5 T2 harvesters is well worth the effort. You didn't say if those few hours you spent was enough to harvest all the gas. If not you could have doubled you income in that time having the skills to 5 with T2 harvesters. If you did deplete the gas, well then you could have made the same isk in half the time, still doubling your isk/hr. Wormholes are great isk/hr Just think, most WHers don't bother with the gas as it is not worth the effort compared to most other WH activities. Making 500 mil an hour is very common in a wormhole. you just need to factor in the times when you make nothing waiting for new sites to spawn. Day triping can be very fun though, as you have discovered.
Canes huh that is awesome I have a few of those collecting dust also. I do appreciate the tips. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
208
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:15:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. You don't need an orca for the ganglink, just use a BC with 5 turrets and enough CPU (cane/ferox). |
John DaiSho
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
26
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:55:00 -
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I used a Brutix, 5 Harvesters, Mining ganglink and a cloak |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
123
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:56:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote: I do have two questions. What boat is the best for gas harvesting and do you see a significant yield increase when using T2 harvesters?
Probably the new ORE Frigate. I forgot what it's called, but it's supposed to be awesome.
I don't remember how much better the T2 gassers suck, but I'd presume it is significant. In general T2 modules are 20% better than T1 ones, but for Miner modules it's 50%, 40 m/3 vs 60 m/3. It's possible there's a similarly impressive jump in performance for T2 gas suckers vs T1 ones. Even if there isn't, though, you seem to like gas mining a lot, so there's no reason for you not to go for T2 ones.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
123
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:58:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. You don't need an orca for the ganglink, just use a BC with 5 turrets and enough CPU (cane/ferox).
You do need to be in a fleet to use the Ganglink, though.
To the OP: How many m3 of gas did you suck to get those 500M ISK of profit? The ORE Frigate can contain 5000 m3 of gas. How much did you suck?
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Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine
3
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:03:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote: I do have two questions. What boat is the best for gas harvesting and do you see a significant yield increase when using T2 harvesters?
Probably the new ORE Frigate. I forgot what it's called, but it's supposed to be awesome. I don't remember how much better the T2 gassers suck, but I'd presume it is significant. In general T2 modules are 20% better than T1 ones, but for Miner modules it's 50%, 40 m/3 vs 60 m/3. It's possible there's a similarly impressive jump in performance for T2 gas suckers vs T1 ones. Even if there isn't, though, you seem to like gas mining a lot, so there's no reason for you not to go for T2 ones.
T1 Harvesters suck in 10m3 per cycle(30 seconds). Put 5 of those, you have 50m3 per 30 Seconds. T2 Harvesters suck in 20m3(so thats double) per cycle(40 seconds). 5 of those, 100m3 per 40 Seconds.
If we do the maths, and say for every 600seconds(10 minutes), the t1s take 20 cycles(1000m3) T2s, 14 cycles(1400m3) Thats 40% better! Thats not half bad, especially for a 4 day train... easily make the money back on the mods, and the time back... |
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Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
100
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:12:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Reppyk wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. You don't need an orca for the ganglink, just use a BC with 5 turrets and enough CPU (cane/ferox). You do need to be in a fleet to use the Ganglink, though. To the OP: How many m3 of gas did you suck to get those 500M ISK of profit? The ORE Frigate can contain 5000 m3 of gas. How much did you suck? LOL I suck alot but I honestly dont remeber since I am at work and cant pull up my sell orders. When I log next I will update this post. I am definetly going to invest in the t2 mods. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1114
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:48:00 -
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This is what I used in w-space:
[Ferox, Gas Harvester] Co-Processor II 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5
[Ferox, Gas Command] Caldari Navy Co-Processor 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I Damage Control II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction EM Ward Amplifier II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
[empty high slot] Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5
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Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
91
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Posted - 2012.11.21 21:07:00 -
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The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.
The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.
I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1114
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Posted - 2012.11.21 21:20:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down. Proton Power, whom used to borrow my ships and return them damaged (grr!), might disagree.
One encounter he described to me, as I was wondering why yet again one of my ships was damaged, he managed to burn out of point range, so he appreciated the MWD.
In another, he knew the ship was lost, so he typed an incomplete sentence like "ransom" in local, and it may have been misinterpreted as he was ransoming them, and the two attackers warped away. |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.11.21 22:51:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.
The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.
I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down. The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post.
On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
443
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Posted - 2012.11.22 00:00:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.
The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.
I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.
Yes and with the bonuses those 2 gas harvesters will suck as much as 5 harvesters on an unbonused ship.
It's a frigate with frigate align times, +2 warp strength and a 5000m hold for gas. Most low end WH ladar sites a cloud will fit within 5000m, so in almost all cases you will be able to fit one entire cloud in the hold without going back for a hauler.
I currently have 2 harvesting toons. I use one in a thorax and one in a ferox. They will both be getting ore frigs come December.
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Daargnoth
Blackrock Mining Company
1
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Posted - 2012.11.22 00:49:00 -
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The ORE frigate will get a bonus to gas mining, making its two gas harvesters give the same yield as 5 would on another ship. And it's got a 5k m3 orehold, and will probably come at a low pricetag. Not too bad for gas harvesting I'd say |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
94
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:32:00 -
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Thats right, I forgot they added the 100% gas harvesting yield onto it. Then yes it will be a great gas harvesting ship to sneak into wh's. |
Tiger Armani
Mialto Corp The Last Chancers.
13
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:47:00 -
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Best duo gas harvesting will be BC with ganglink and one ore frigate.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
994
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:00:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Reppyk wrote:Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh. Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield. Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant. Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. I have the implant just havent used it yet. Somebody told me a roch is a good gas harvester is that true?
I use my Rohk. 13 (x5 GH2's) cycles of cargo space if using Expanders. |
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
366
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:29:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Reppyk wrote:Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh. Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield. Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant. Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. I have the implant just havent used it yet. Somebody told me a roch is a good gas harvester is that true?
Don't see why you would need rokh, all you need is 5 turret slots and some cargo space tbh.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
794
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:56:00 -
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Infinite Force wrote:Styth spiting wrote:The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.
The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.
I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down. The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post. On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet.
Will it take a probe launcher?
(Though I guess if you're in a cheap clone, it's not a /huge/ loss if you lose the wormhole and have to pod out) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine
3
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:14:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Infinite Force wrote:Styth spiting wrote:The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.
The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.
I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down. The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post. On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet. Will it take a probe launcher? (Though I guess if you're in a cheap clone, it's not a /huge/ loss if you lose the wormhole and have to pod out)
It probably will... but you might have to sacrifice harvesters.. possibly... We'll see in 2 weeks.. wont we..:D |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
794
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:24:00 -
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Matt Ellis wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Infinite Force wrote:Styth spiting wrote:The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.
The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.
I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down. The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post. On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet. Will it take a probe launcher? (Though I guess if you're in a cheap clone, it's not a /huge/ loss if you lose the wormhole and have to pod out) It probably will... but you might have to sacrifice harvesters.. possibly... We'll see in 2 weeks.. wont we..:D
Looking at the stats, I /think/ it'll fit it all. 240cpu, 45 pg. with 140 cpu and 10pg used for the harvesters, a core probe launcher takes 15 cpu and 1 pg.
I don't think they use a launcher slot either.
Sure, it's utterly defenceless, but that's what the cloaky defence ship is for ;) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine
3
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:26:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Matt Ellis wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Infinite Force wrote:Styth spiting wrote:The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.
The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.
I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down. The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post. On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet. Will it take a probe launcher? (Though I guess if you're in a cheap clone, it's not a /huge/ loss if you lose the wormhole and have to pod out) It probably will... but you might have to sacrifice harvesters.. possibly... We'll see in 2 weeks.. wont we..:D Looking at the stats, I /think/ it'll fit it all. 240cpu, 45 pg. with 140 cpu and 10pg used for the harvesters, a core probe launcher takes 15 cpu and 1 pg. I don't think they use a launcher slot either. Sure, it's utterly defenceless, but that's what the cloaky defence ship is for ;)
Or the fast align time, because... its a frigate.. it will align before the cloaky has even locked it, more than likely... or be able to get away quickly.. should make for some cool predator moments!
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Cheesy Feet
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
8
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Posted - 2012.11.22 22:07:00 -
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I haven't sucked gas for ages, but I used to use the following, it has a decent cargo bay (888m3) so you dont have to keep filling the jettisoned cans so often but more important is it has a 5.8 sec align time, and a probe plus cloak.
[Cyclone, Gas Miner] Co-Processor II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Gas Cloud Harvester II Prototype Cloaking Device I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I [empty high slot]
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Hornet EC-300 x2 Vespa EC-600 x3
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Raudur Froskur
SFMS Holding
0
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Posted - 2012.11.23 07:54:00 -
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In case anyone would need this..
WH Gas |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
130
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:40:00 -
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Raudur Froskur wrote:In case anyone would need this.. WH Gas
I'm more interested in what kind of gas it was that the OP sucked up. It sounds super lucrative, but I really don't know anything about gas prices.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1001
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:43:00 -
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Modules should be renamed Gas Sucker and Gas Sucker II ! |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
452
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:10:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Raudur Froskur wrote:In case anyone would need this.. WH Gas I'm more interested in what kind of gas it was that the OP sucked up. It sounds super lucrative, but I really don't know anything about gas prices.
Well the OP mentioned C72, which is about the best Gas you are going to find in a Low end WH (C3 and below). So lets work with that. C72 in jita buy orders is around 9300/unit. So for 500mil that's 53,763 units of C72, at a volume of 107,526m3.
The OP mentioned using 3 T1 harvesters. Each one harvests 10m3 every 30 second, so that's 60m3 per minute. So 500mil worth of gas would have taken about 1792 minutes, or 29 hours. Or you could say about 17mil an hour.
So I'm guessing the OP is overstating profits, or put the decimal in the wrong place.
I collect a lot of WH gas when I'm bored. I have 2 maxed toons to do it, with a ganglink. So they collect 200m3 of gas every 37 seconds. It would still take me over 5 hours to collect 500mil worth of C72. |
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