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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:01:00 -
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MIMAF guys and girls can ruin certain products, such as specific ammos, modules or hulls, because they sell at such a price that I can neither compete profitably with Market-bought minerals, nor can I buy their stuff and reprocess it for profit. They price their stuff at exactly the wrong price point for either to work.
So the solution seems to try to produce some stuff that it never occurs to the MIMAFfers to try their hand at.
But what might that be? What falls below their radar? What Market categories and sub-categories are they unaware of? Or aware of but for some reason wary of?
Any suggestions?
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Beckie DeLey
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:14:00 -
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Salpad wrote:So the solution seems to try to produce some stuff that it never occurs to the MIMAFfers to try their hand at.
Better solution: Buy their stuff. If they sell it for less than what you'd need to produce, then buy theirs or be no better at math than they are :) So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
262
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:26:00 -
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No offense dude but the MIMAF crowd is not your problem here. Many manufacturers buy minerals through buy orders in out of the way systems where they can get them cheaper.
The stuff produced by the MIMAF crowd are always profitable to buy and reprocess. These items get bought up as soon as they show up on the market and are very low volume.
There is very little that can be built and sold in Jita for profit buying the minerals from Jita sell orders. The majority of T1 items sold in Jita will make no more than 1% profit with a perfect BPO and perfect manufacturing skills using Jita sell prices. Jita may have the largest supply of minerals but is not near the cheapest place to buy them.
Just because someone gets their minerals at a lower price then you get yours does not make them part of the MIMAF crowd. Sell your stuff in mission hubs where the prices are higher, or buy you minerals from sources below Jita prices.
If you must buy your minerals in Jita use buy orders and you will have to play the 0.01 isk game to get the best prices.
There is also the issue of stuff being sold in Jita that was built with minerals bought when prices where down. For example a freighter takes almost a month to build. If the price of minerals goes up while you have it building does that mean you can not sell it at a mark up from what you paid for the minerals, rather than it's current mineral price. True it would be stupid to sell for less than current mineral prices, but the price increas adds to your profit margin. likewise long build items can be very hard to sell at a profit if the price of the mats goes down while it is building.
Just keep in mind that not everyone uses Jita sell prices to calculate manufacturing profit. I do but my manufacturing is limited. Those who keep lines running 24/7 can get by on much tighter margins. |
Beckie DeLey
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:53:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:If you must buy your minerals in Jita use buy orders and you will have to play the 0.01 isk game to get the best prices.
Especially in Jita this can often be a bad idea when buying minerals. Taxes on buy orders will eat you alive without excellent trade skills and standings. It's often better to just pay your damn 0.02 ISK per unit of Trit extra when using the available sell orders and avoid the taxes. Always check how far the gap between buy orders and sell orders really is.
Also, to expand on my previous post: Get Scrapmetal Processing. It's a fantastic skill for T1 manufacturers. It takes it sweet time as you need the prerequisites to V, but it's really awesome once you have it. I've seen you ask for compressed minerals in another thread... with Scrapmetal Processing, mission runners who sell their junk to your buy orders do suddenly become a very attractive source of minerals. So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
10
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:59:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Any suggestions?
Get out of Jita, Seriously.
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Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
90
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:39:00 -
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Did it ever occur to you that you don't really understand some basic stuff regarding the market and manufacturing and that its not this silly notion that all manufactures who mine their own minerals don't think of their minerals as free?
Just because you can't make a profit manufacturing items buying materials though sell orders doesn't mean I cannot make a profit selling manufactured items instead of selling my minerals though buy orders.
It's simple. Instead of selling my minerals at a -5% to -10% loss to buy orders I can manufacture items and sell these items at a 5% - 10% profit over the mineral prices. While you are buying materials at a 5% + markup and then trying to sell these items in hopes of making a profit off the minerals you bought.
You have almost no way to make a profit, where as I can easily make 10% to 20% profit off my minerals. And to undercut people like yourself I can charge far less then you.
So yeah, its not miners think of our minerals as free, its that we have the ability to increase our minerals value over selling them directly.
That and some of us just sell stuff at low prices just to **** people off, to push players out of a market, or to stagnate a market to remove interest from other manufactures. not everything in this game is about making money. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2012.11.22 03:20:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:Did it ever occur to you that ... some of us just sell stuff at low prices just to **** people off, .... not everything in this game is about making money.
this.
edit, but remember its just low enough that we don't lose too much margin. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Maximilien Noibzo
SALADE TOMATE OIGNONS
5
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:09:00 -
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What is a "MIMAF"? |
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:14:00 -
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Minerals I Mine Are Free
The small group of people whose goods you can buy and sell for a profit, even if you are not a trader. Learn to adapt instead of rage. |
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