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Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:12:00 -
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After using all three previews for software testing, I'm definitely sticking with 7. Their desire to "beat Apple" does not interest me in the least. I have work to do.
The only good thing I have to say for it is it seems to be quite stable and snappy.
Shame they had to plaster that God-awful UI over it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10400
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:22:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Funny, it's working just fine for me. Metro shows up on one screen, while I can use something else on the other. I just think of metro as the start menu. It's open for minimal times, just when I'm starting stuff up. (hit windows key, type a couple of letters, click on the program I want, get back to working) But that's just it: the no-longer-metro interface is obsoleted by a menu that was put into place two windows versions ago. It literally adds nothing to the UI. Instead, it replaces an aging menu with a big blob of pointless flash that serves no purpose on a desktop since the information it wants to convey is already conveyed through numerous other (better) means.
Metro works for small-screen unitasking devices. A desktop computer is none of those things.
Oh, and as for GÇ£just disable itGÇ¥, that would be a swell suggestion if the manufacturer actually supported it. If an OS has to rely on hacks and work-around to be made useful, it has failed on the most fundamental level an OS can fail at. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
280
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:47:00 -
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Windows 8 has some good features and some stupid features.
Best way to experience windows 8 is with stardock's Start8 application, it's like 5 bucks and lets you customize whether you want a normal start menu or the metro start menu. (And a lot of other useful stuff)
It even lets you make one windows key open the normal start menu and the other open the metro start menu. It's really nice.
In terms of the metro apps, they will likely go through a couple of updates before being more useful. However, the music app and the photo viewer app are very nice.
The startup acceleration windows 8 has is very cool, however some motherboards' hardware won't work properly when it is turned on (happens in my case where my hard drive controller lags the startup sequence to taking around 10 minutes). With the startup accel turned off, it boots a bit slower than windows 7 but works on any mobo.
Also, have had no real issues with eve on windows 8, cept my teamspeak overlay acts up occasionally.
Only things that I would need to make metro work as I want it is the ability to choose the size of metro tiles, not just "one grid box" or "two grid box" sizes.
Also, their new music app lowers volume when playing a game on GFWL (due to voice communication being activated), which is fairly annoying considering it is their own program. |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
129
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:01:00 -
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Havnt used Win8, wouldnt want too...
why?
Because win8 is gonna be like Vista - incredibad.
Win8 is primarily used for mobile devices or a toned down version at least so really the desktop version you could say is a port.
Ports are bad mmkay
Win8 will fail
Win7 is the way to go.
For those who say its faster etc on disk read/write boot etc.
You clearly dont have a optimized fast system. |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote: If an OS has to rely on hacks and work-around to be made useful, it has failed on the most fundamental level an OS can fail at.
^^ This.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
45
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:24:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Metro is a much better interface especially for internet explorer. I like having the FULL screen used and NO menus unless I hover my mouse UP top, also going back and forth between pages is also great because you just touch the left or right side of the monitor and poof an arrow appears. WAY better navigation.
The boot times are faster, the graphics look fantastic and I can alt tab without ANY dcd. There is nothing to get PAST for the interface, the interface is better then what we had before in every way and makes it much easier to navigate. That's probably the thing I dislike most with the new design. Having to go right to the edge of the screen, every time I want to do something.
Haven't tried Windows 8 running on multiple displays yet. Actually wonder how it's going to work there. |
Wot I Think
State War Academy Caldari State
303
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:49:00 -
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JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:You guys need to stfu. Win8 is better than 7 in every conceivable way!
Disk read/write speeds are faster, you can now pause file copying/moving, the ui is more responsive, the OS uses available hardware better and more efficiently, boot and shutdown times are less than half what they were in 7, networking has been improved thus browsing and downloading is now faster.
But yeah, go ahead spreading misinformation and talking right out of your asses with complete disregard for facts.
Popular opinion right or wrong will rule the day, that is Why Bush got elected twice after screwing us into an unsustainable war, and that's why Obama got elected twice after committing treason.
I am trying to start a campaign about how drinking more than one glass of water per day is bad for you. |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative
146
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:58:00 -
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Still deciding to go from XP to 7 on most of my machines. Will be giving 8 a pass for now.
I did try it briefly... seemed pretty terrible. |
Wot I Think
State War Academy Caldari State
303
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:11:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote: Funny, it's working just fine for me. Metro shows up on one screen, while I can use something else on the other. I just think of metro as the start menu. It's open for minimal times, just when I'm starting stuff up. (hit windows key, type a couple of letters, click on the program I want, get back to working)
He has no idea what the hell he is talking about. |
JeanMichel Bizarre
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:12:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Havnt used Win8, wouldnt want too...
why?
Because win8 is gonna be like Vista - incredibad.
Win8 is primarily used for mobile devices or a toned down version at least so really the desktop version you could say is a port.
Ports are bad mmkay
Win8 will fail
Win7 is the way to go.
For those who say its faster etc on disk read/write boot etc.
You clearly dont have a optimized fast system.
You, sir, are an idiot! omniscient omnipotent omnipresent without judgement |
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Tom Gerard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
639
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Posted - 2012.11.22 16:20:00 -
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JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:TriadSte wrote:Havnt used Win8, wouldnt want too...
why?
Because win8 is gonna be like Vista - incredibad.
Win8 is primarily used for mobile devices or a toned down version at least so really the desktop version you could say is a port.
Ports are bad mmkay
Win8 will fail
Win7 is the way to go.
For those who say its faster etc on disk read/write boot etc.
You clearly dont have a optimized fast system. You, sir, are an idiot! But he has the right to vote, and his vote just canceled out yours... hows democracy feel now?
Between the lies and misgivings there is one solid inescapable fact: W8 is an 11% performance increase for about $120.
If you don't have $120 to blow on a performance upgrade, don't buy it. But do the world a favor and stop bad mouthing a product just because you don't have $120. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
129
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:29:00 -
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JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:TriadSte wrote:Havnt used Win8, wouldnt want too...
why?
Because win8 is gonna be like Vista - incredibad.
Win8 is primarily used for mobile devices or a toned down version at least so really the desktop version you could say is a port.
Ports are bad mmkay
Win8 will fail
Win7 is the way to go.
For those who say its faster etc on disk read/write boot etc.
You clearly dont have a optimized fast system. You, sir, are an idiot!
Thank you for posting but I will choose to ignore you at this present time as I feel your post was unintelligent and had nothing to add to this topic.
I speak the truth, My win7 is fast, supremely fast. In fact everything is pretty much instanataneous. My disk read/write are insane my network throughput speeds is crazy.
I cannot forsee my system being the supposed so called 11% faster. Seriously some games load instantly some games like crysis might take 20 seconds to boot and load into the level I saved.
Win 8 is not 11% faster than 7 I simply cannot see it at all.
If your running win8 - I feel sorry for you. |
Tom Gerard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
639
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:51:00 -
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http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/gentlemen-start-your-benches-measuring-windows-8s-performance/
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-vs-windows-7-benchmarked_p3-7000002671/
http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows-8-will-it-breathe-new-life-into-older-pcs-7000002634/
http://kotaku.com/5935337/lets-see-how-windows-8-performs-against-windows-7
http://forum.thewindowsclub.com/windows-8-management-support/34341-advantages-windows-8-over-windows-7-a.html
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/windows-8-gpu-acceleration-good-news-for-metro/
http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pick/10-reasons-to-embrace-windows-8-now-20121026/
http://www.zdnet.com/installing-windows-8-on-your-old-pc-could-turn-it-into-greased-lightning-7000002903/
The performance advantage is heavily documented, the 3D performance lags behind simply due to driver compatibility issues that will be resolved by the vendors.
But running Skyrim on W7 gives me 84 FPS, Running it on W8 gives me 82 FPS and that's using comparability drivers not the performance drivers due from nVidia before the Christmas Break in December.
I suspect at least equal performance and am hopeful of increased GPU performance.
WHY? because Metro is GPU aware and can shut itself down to free up GPU cycles something which Aero cannot do. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.11.22 17:56:00 -
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Considering most people didn't go out and buy a new computer when Win 8 came out, I doubt a significant percentage are even using it, ask after x-mas.
I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
House of Tzarszh
0
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Posted - 2012.11.22 18:21:00 -
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I run Windows 8 dual screen, multibox EvE with 4 accounts. Runs perfectly fine.
That said, as much as 90% of all problems usually attributed to Windows OS are 3rd party related. This was true for XP when it was released it was true for XP Service Pack 2, It was true for Vista, It was true for Windows 7 (which is slower to start than most XP installs on the same hardware pre-i5/i7 CPU's) and it will be true for Windows 8.
The ' UI Formerly known as Metro' might be new, but people will either get used to it or move to IOS/Linux where they will have to learn another UI that is different from what they used in Windows XP.
From a technological perspective Windows 8 blows Windows 7 out of the water, you might not like it because of < insert personal preference here > but that's it, personal preference.
All the haters, will run Windows 8 in 6 months to a year anyway, just like they installed Vista all over the place.
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JeanMichel Bizarre
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.11.22 18:39:00 -
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote: All the haters, will run Windows 8 in 6 months to a year anyway, just like they installed Vista all over the place.
Not empty quoting. omniscient omnipotent omnipresent without judgement |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10402
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Posted - 2012.11.22 18:48:00 -
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:The ' UI Formerly known as Metro' might be new, but people will either get used to it or move to IOS/Linux where they will have to learn another UI that is different from what they used in Windows XP. It's not that it's new that is the problem GÇö it's that it's a bad UI for a desktop system.
Quote:From a technological perspective Windows 8 blows Windows 7 out of the water, you might not like it because of < insert personal preference here > but that's it, personal preference.
All the haters, will run Windows 8 in 6 months to a year anyway, just like they installed Vista all over the place. Actually, most of them probably skipped Vista and are either still on XP or waited for Win7. Win8 is a technical step forward. Too bad that all that back-end stuff is ruined by a horrible and completely misapplied front-end.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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JeanMichel Bizarre
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.11.22 18:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Too bad that all that back-end stuff is ruined by a horrible and completely misapplied front-end.
Ignoring the purely subjective part about it being horrible, you only ever see that UI for a few seconds each session. I can hardly see how that is an issue, even if you do hate it. Just click on the desktop tile and forget about it. omniscient omnipotent omnipresent without judgement |
Lady Bentley
The Syndicates
0
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Posted - 2012.11.22 19:03:00 -
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I tested w8 briefly. I found it to be too slow to use in my work. When i use windows 7, everything is closer than on windows 8. I find everything more clicks away than in windows 7, that is the reason i will never get windows 8.
I really hated that there was no start button, i also disliked the metro interface. I really do not like windows 8 in anyway and i'm going to wait for windows 9 before i consider changing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10402
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Posted - 2012.11.22 19:18:00 -
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JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:Ignoring the purely subjective part about it being horrible, you only ever see that UI for a few seconds each session. I can hardly see how that is an issue, even if you do hate it. Because there's no reason why I should have to see it at all since Vista already obsoleted it. It's an issue because MS is moving backwards, both in terms of the UI and its application in and of itself, but also in their refusal to address this very well-known problem (that will hit their main customer base the most).
It's as if in the '90s, they had shipped Win95 with only T9 support for password entry because that's what everyone used on their cell phones, instead of allowing the use of keyboards. It wouldn't have been an issue, because you don't enter your password that often, right? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
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handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.11.22 19:33:00 -
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I use windows 8 on two monitors, and like it a lot. It makes doing simple stuff a breeze, and if I want to run a program or search the web or something from the 'UI Formerly known as Metro' I like the fact you can just start typing and let the program work for you. Instead of the clicking of the 'start' button and type what program you want in the search bar, or opening a browser to search for something Baddest poster ever |
Talraska
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:12:00 -
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Windows 8 is, in my opinion, in all ways better than 7. It is faster and its UI, that everyone hates, actually allows me to set up my "used to be" start menu in exactly the way I want it by using all small tiles and none of the "fancy crap". It is faster, easier and better for everyday use.
It is also brighter with games! Understands alt tab faster and better than 7 and runs everything faster than 7 ever did.
It is bascially damn good at what it does!
Haters are going to hate.
Mac lovers are going to hate
Linux lovers are going to hate.
I use win 7 (work), Linux (private laptop), and Mac (the dreaded wife's laptop) on and off
Fact is imho on my desktop computer, and after 5 months use , it is as good or better than the 2 OS' above and better than 7.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
342
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Posted - 2012.11.22 22:32:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote: The performance advantage is heavily documented, the 3D performance lags behind simply due to driver compatibility issues that will be resolved by the vendors.
This is exactly the reason why I'll wait with upgrading.
Wait until the vendors have upgraded, and most likely corrected their first attempts of upgrade a couple of times.
So I'll upgrade, but like in a year or so.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.11.22 22:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Funny, it's working just fine for me. Metro shows up on one screen, while I can use something else on the other. I just think of metro as the start menu. It's open for minimal times, just when I'm starting stuff up. (hit windows key, type a couple of letters, click on the program I want, get back to working) But that's just it: the no-longer-metro interface is obsoleted by a menu that was put into place two windows versions ago. It literally adds nothing to the UI. Instead, it replaces an aging menu with a big blob of pointless flash that serves no purpose on a desktop since the information it wants to convey is already conveyed through numerous other (better) means. Metro works for small-screen unitasking devices. A desktop computer is none of those things. Oh, and as for GÇ£just disable itGÇ¥, that would be a swell suggestion if the manufacturer actually supported it. If an OS has to rely on hacks and work-around to be made useful, it has failed on the most fundamental level an OS can fail at.
Well I don't know about you but for me, there's no option in between W7 Pro at 300Gé¼ and W8 at 120Gé¼. Sure some stuff changes, it's a matter of time to adapt to this new UI but I believe it's a very good step forward in the good direction.
I don't know about you but as a guy who learned his first steps on PC with IBM systems and different crap because it' was funny or looked smart to feel/use different, I can't think about it now but as a waste of energy when everything is far more simple, easy to use and offers better software updates/progression with standard platforms.
Lets take a close look at, you're at home and in between the morning and the evening this is about what you have at home:
-smart phone ->windows phone system, android, Iphone, whatever other crap because there are hundreds -PC -> Mac, Linux, Windows and some other crap -TV -> another crap requiring dozens of buttons, offering more chans than you need, thousands of crap 24h/d Console -> PS "x" version, X-Box or whatever crap
This is for the base crap you, me and most of people having the chance and the privileged to have enough money to buy, use every day. So my only question is, why choose to make of your day worst that it could be? Why not choose and actually help or ask for enough improvements so you can use your phone, pc, console, tv, gps, car whatever crap with same interactivity and easiness instead of different ones making you loose too much time and energy to achieve the same tasks?
I'm all for anti trust, but I'm also all against waste of time/resources/energy for peanuts or a piece of makeup. Our lifes are not ready to get back to stone age, looking forward means more and more devices in your current day life in the next decades so are we ready to actually find something making your day to day life easier or do you really think we need each device to use different kinds of UI? |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1107
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Posted - 2012.11.23 00:48:00 -
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Removed a post for discussing real-life politics; please don't go there folks - it's not even allowed in the Out of Pod experience forum.
Thanks. ISD Suvetar,-áCaptain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department We are hiring! |
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Xenuria
Legion Of Idiots legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
621
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:46:00 -
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JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:You guys need to stfu. Win8 is better than 7 in every conceivable way!
Disk read/write speeds are faster, you can now pause file copying/moving, the ui is more responsive, the OS uses available hardware better and more efficiently, boot and shutdown times are less than half what they were in 7, networking has been improved thus browsing and downloading is now faster.
But yeah, go ahead spreading misinformation and talking right out of your asses with complete disregard for facts.
Nothing you said is accurate except that you can pause file copying/moving. Everything else has yet to be proven. Xenuria CSM 8 |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:50:00 -
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Worked beautifully for months on the pre-release for me, and I've been running it on my main gaming machine since it's official release. No issues directly related to Win8 with it at all. Just the usual bugs that are there regardless of the operating system version (Win8, Win7, Snow Leopard).
On Win8 specifically, I haven't found any real use for the tile interface (aka, "Metro") even tho I have tablets I use for my photography and graphic design work. OS is rock solid, no issues whatsoever, including old hardware and new. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3635
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:50:00 -
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I liek Win 8 and that's all that matters...
still can't find the calculator that used to be in the start menu but I'm sure I'll find it eventually "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Xenuria
Legion Of Idiots legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
621
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:57:00 -
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I will buy windows 8 if they come out with a service pack that adds a fedora in place of the missing start menu. Xenuria CSM 8 |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
50
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:58:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I liek Win 8 and that's all that matters...
still can't find the calculator that used to be in the start menu but I'm sure I'll find it eventually
Just type calculator while on the start menu it should bring it right up. This works for anything thats hard to find
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