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Diicc Tater	Posted - 2005.04.28 06:38:00 - [31] I'm just gonna throw this one out, not thinking to much about all the issues that would prevent something like this. Lvl 1 Agents: 1.0 - 0.9 sytems depending on quality Lvl 2 Agents: 0.8 - 0.7 Lvl 3 Agents: 0.6 - 0.5 Lvl 4 Agents: 0.4 - 0.3 Lvl 5 Agents: 0.3 - 0.0 Agents w neg quality overlap into higher sequrity systems but high quality agents doesn't apear in lower sec space. Since I'm another agentrunner () I'd not be to pleased with this but I'd accept it. I do lvl4 in a 0.6 sys but mostly lvl3 in the same sys. Loads of game issues need to be adressed first ofc. Other issues will be gategankers. If an agent operates in low sec space they'd be able to shut that agent down w some gate blockades.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.04.28 07:22:00 - [32] Originally by: X'Alor Also think with this restructure they should open the sentry gun doors at the gates a bit and move the shoot on sight rating up to -6.5 to allow more access to empire space so that bad guys can have access to better markets as well. Agree with mebbe some of your post... Except this. Any pirate with a low sec .. as -5.0 is... Is a Pirate. they shouldn't be allowed in empire space. I personally have no problems with it. I choose to be bad and thats part of the punishment. One most people are happy to accept. Apart from these girls that pirate in empire using war dec's . Actually I take back the pirate comment... theyre just lame Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Tane	Posted - 2005.04.28 10:05:00 - [33] Linkage agents did just recieve a small nerf, and things are changing in 0.0 access patience people Live Love and Prosper
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.04.28 10:17:00 - [34] Nope... The devs said they are moving the agents to 'nearby locations' that doesn't mean theyre moving them to low sec. they will more than likely still be 0.5+ Nor does it alter the missions in any way. Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Tane	Posted - 2005.04.28 10:34:00 - [35] i am undecided on moving the agents to low sec, for the ppl wanting more targets the NWO changes should achieve this but no doubt you'll complain due to more chokepoints. more details see dev blog here Linkage Live Love and Prosper
Verone	Posted - 2005.04.28 10:44:00 - [36] I agree with Typherin completly. COME AND SOCIALISE WITH US NASTY SNIGG BASTARDS AT : WWW.SNIGG.CJB.NET
Impale	Posted - 2005.04.28 10:47:00 - [37] Hello, I am a noobie (3 months) and I have 2 bil isk plus own all the bs's. I like the agents how they are now so I disagree.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.04.28 11:12:00 - [38] Originally by: Impale Hello, I am a noobie (3 months) and I have 2 bil isk plus own all the bs's. I like the agents how they are now so I disagree. Nope your just an alt posting to try and cause flames. Post with your main and let ppl know who you are or ** off Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5** 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Gairon Fay	Posted - 2005.04.28 11:17:00 - [39] I must say I disagree, sure it¦s PvP, but whos is to say that it¦s the core of the game. I¦ve been playing for over a year now, and I must say I don¦t find PvP so entising, but I love running missions. SUre I suck at PvP, and not ashamed to admit it, but why should I then be forced out to unsecure space to do what I enjoy. If that would happen this game would totally loose it¦s appeal to me, cause I enjoy ganging up, even if it is in corespace. And I don¦t mind the lesser LP and rewards in COre, since primary it¦s the feeling of hunting NPC that is my kick. ------------------------------------------------ From the Shadows, he watches... It¦s safer there.
capt	Posted - 2005.04.28 11:23:00 - [40] Edited by: capt on 28/04/2005 11:25:00 Originally by: Impale Hello, I am a noobie (3 months) and I have 2 bil isk plus own all the bs's. I like the agents how they are now so I disagree. You're not forgetting to lie or anything.......? I sincerely doubt a 3 month old character could gather the amount of isk to have 2 billion isk in the wallet and having all the BS's solely by doing (lvl4)missions.(so OK you haven't said you could fly em all, which would be even more doubtfull after only 3 months) I have been flying mission since I started playing EVE back in june 2003. I started lvl4 missions as soon as they were available. Am I a multi-billionaire? NO! Am I a multi-trillionaire? NO! I never had more than 600 mill in my wallet on any given day. So either I've been doing things very wrong my whole eve carreer, which I sincerely doubt. OR I have a bug only affecting MY income, which I sincerely doubt too. So many people who are complaining about the lvl4 missions seem to claim that they (or their friends, or their nephews friend who has a neigbour whos brother in law...) have earned billions in 1 day or in 2 days or in a week. NEVER have I seen any hard evidence to back these allegations up. Would be nice to see some screenshots proving that people earned a billion/day doing only missions..... The only thing that I can aggree on with people here is that they need to make some drastic changes to 0.0. Hopefully that New world Order ccp is working on will bring at least half of what they promised or what people are expecting it to be. CCP needs to add a lot more ways to enter 0.0 so that there will be less chokepoints. They need to do something with all those systems in 0.0 that hardly ever had anyone visiting them in the first place. And you all know there are lots of them out there. To get back to the arguments used by the original poster. And mainly his suggestions being out of a RP point of view.... Wouldn't it be logical that out of a RP point of view, the navies of the different races or concord for that matter would venture out on a regular basis in low sec space and 0.0 to "clean house" and reclaim certain systems from pirates and the like? But that doesn't happen either...... Locical would be that we had an ever changing eve, for example a system that was 0.5 yesterday would be 0.3 today, because of certain events.(or the other way round of course...)
Calio	Posted - 2005.04.28 12:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Lefia But moving them to 0.4-0.0 won't have the effect PVPers and pirates desire. At best we would see a movement back to mining low end ore, and level 3 mission blitzing, worst case we see an "Exodus" to WoW or Guild Wars. Instead, improve 0.0, make it more accessable, make bigger ships spawn more often, increase the number of complexs, beef up the loot tables, increase yields of high end ores and ice, and increase the yields of POSs. <snipped> Oh, and as a level 4 mission runner I had to consider the question at hand: "If all level 4 agents were moved to 0.0-0.4, would I go there and continue to the missions?" The answer I decided was no, I would not. Those areas of consolidated level 4 agents would prove too tempting a target for pirates to ignore. Doing level 4 missions in 0.0-0.4 would be tantamount to suicide, all risk with only the slightest possibility of reward. Finally!!! Someone who sees part of the big picture and not just what they want to see due to their own specific biases. "Those people who think they know everything are a real annoyance to those of us who do" (Issac Assimov)
Heironymus	Posted - 2005.04.28 12:19:00 - [42] It seems so many pirates and Alliance Corps would love to have everyone come to 0.0 Or have all lvl 4 missions in 0.4 and below Ask yourself why Very simple Gate campers Gankers Think about it weather you doing missions in 0.0 or 1.0 you not setting a ship up for blockades when do a mission so would be a easy kill for them You guys making posts sound like this game should only be setup for guys in 0.4 and below Problem with that is simple You have many new players starting eve Yes even after eve running over 2 years Now 0.0 is not a place for some to even start to travel until over a year in game or in a corp there to back you up I say leave dam missions alone They gave pirates more chances get more kills by making lvl 4 now fly into low systems allready Now some say rats to big in empire lol How about give more to 0.4 and below not always say take away More isk is to always be made in 0.0 then will ever make in empire You can get items out of 0.0 that are worth over a billion one downed BS Show that in empire You lucky the bs even drop loot Instead whineing what each system doesn't have think about adding not always taking away Something seems to get nerfed every patch now lets work on adding not taking for once... __________________________ Those who can't do, teach Those who can't teach, teach Phy. Ed.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.04.28 12:43:00 - [43] All this crap about going to 0.0 before being a year old... doing missions there in 0.0 - 0.4 is suicide yada yada is all complete rubbish. Ive spent the last 3 months farting around solely in low sec - 0.0 .... How many times have I been attacked and killed ... NONE. Apart from i lost a scorp to Ranger Corp (But I started that fight so meh) Its not suicide at all... people are simply to stupid to avoid getting killed. And im free game to all so youd think id be attacked frequently yes ? NO. Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Rojar Parit	Posted - 2005.04.28 13:18:00 - [44] I have to agree with the people who say leave the agents alone and improve the offers in low sec space. I have been around EVE for a little more than a year now and my first PVP experience was a little over a week ago. My corp wanted to go and farm a angels complex in low sec and one of our members got ganked whilst waiting for the rest of us to show up. If it hadnt been for that angels complex because of the good bounties or the drone complex in ostingele I probably wouldnt have left empire yet. So I say as many many others have already said low sec just needs to be made more attractive but the current stuff should be left the way it is.
Heironymus	Posted - 2005.04.29 02:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Typherin laidai All this crap about going to 0.0 before being a year old... doing missions there in 0.0 - 0.4 is suicide yada yada is all complete rubbish. Ive spent the last 3 months farting around solely in low sec - 0.0 .... How many times have I been attacked and killed ... NONE. Apart from i lost a scorp to Ranger Corp (But I started that fight so meh) Its not suicide at all... people are simply to stupid to avoid getting killed. And im free game to all so youd think id be attacked frequently yes ? NO. Typherin Anyone can fly in 0.0 in a dead area that is not the problem The problem is getting the loot/ore and getting it past the gate campers As you saying stupid well let me give you some systems with a mission setup BS and you go though where they gate camp see if you still alive So much complaining in one game Sometimes I feel like I am back in school and in headstart So many complaining seems no one happy They nerfed lvl 4 for empire what else you want They more gate camping in certain regions then ever before What will it take make you guys happy You complain they nerf something then you complain on top of that complain because they nerfed something If I wanted to hunt in 0.0 I would join a corp who willing to cover my back or lives in 0.0 If I wanted to hang in 0.1 to 0.4 would do that But what everyone forgets EVE is a game that allows many things Eve is so busy trying to make everyone happy they will never do that by what i see in all the whine threads Why not try work with what you have and stop worrying what you don't have For so long only way make good isk was hunt mine in 0.0 and be in a alliance and always be at war Now they trying to give empire some ways to make isk and now everyone unhappy I will say the isk I make in lvl 4 missions is nothing like it was So you guys/girls should be happy with that You will always make more isk in 0.0 but won't ever be happy until 0.0 controls Eve again You guys controlled the zyd and meg for main part eve been up now you don;t control it all and that is what makes you guys unhappy Will say to end be happy eve still up and running most online games don't give in as much as eve does to it's players whine base I like eve alot some the changes suck but empire has had more changes in last 6 months then 0.0 will ever have 0.0 will improve you know this dev's know this relax and start enjoying eve again __________________________ Those who can't do, teach Those who can't teach, teach Phy. Ed.
Shaelin Corpius	Posted - 2005.04.29 04:11:00 - [46] PPl who still continue to do missions in 1.0 for lvl4 kills must not mind working 10x as hard for the lp and cash as us in low sec who don't mind the pirates and find ways around them still, not that hard to do. But not that I mind more agents being moved out to low sec since thats where I play anyway, but it will on a money sense to ccp lose paying customers who don't like 0.4-0.0 and won't go there at all anyway.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.29 06:10:00 - [47] people afraid of the gategank- YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO AVOID IT, USE THEM. IF YOU CANNOT SEE A GATEGANK, YOU DESERVE TO LOOSE YOUR SHIP. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU SETUP YOUR SHIP RIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT INSTAS, YOU CAN AVOID MOST GATEGANKS. Thanks you. Secondly, in .4, you still have a sentry gun to cover ur butt. It takes 3 bs to take down 1 bs with sentrys fireing. If your setup right, with mwd, jamming, travle setup, they need a HUGE force to take you down. Just my 2 cents. TBH, you carebears should stop being scared of .4... onos! you MIGHT get shot at by another player.... but if you stick to gates/stations, you are prettymuch covered.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.04.29 06:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel people afraid of the gategank- YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO AVOID IT, USE THEM. IF YOU CANNOT SEE A GATEGANK, YOU DESERVE TO LOOSE YOUR SHIP. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU SETUP YOUR SHIP RIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT INSTAS, YOU CAN AVOID MOST GATEGANKS. Thanks you. Secondly, in .4, you still have a sentry gun to cover ur butt. It takes 3 bs to take down 1 bs with sentrys fireing. If your setup right, with mwd, jamming, travle setup, they need a HUGE force to take you down. Just my 2 cents. TBH, you carebears should stop being scared of .4... onos! you MIGHT get shot at by another player.... but if you stick to gates/stations, you are prettymuch covered. Agreed - I pirate solo and there is simply no means to kill a bs at a gate on my own. Unless the friendly blighters fire first of course As to gatecamps. Insta's are your friend Unless there sat 180km sniping at you. In which case if your bs cant withstand the couple of seconds to fly the 1000m at most (bookmarks aint allways 100% accurate, 3km Sphere I think) then you deserve to die And if your too lazy/stupid to make them yourself... buy some ffs. Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Abigail101	Posted - 2005.04.29 07:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel people afraid of the gategank- YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO AVOID IT, USE THEM. IF YOU CANNOT SEE A GATEGANK, YOU DESERVE TO LOOSE YOUR SHIP. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU SETUP YOUR SHIP RIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT INSTAS, YOU CAN AVOID MOST GATEGANKS. Thanks you. Secondly, in .4, you still have a sentry gun to cover ur butt. It takes 3 bs to take down 1 bs with sentrys fireing. If your setup right, with mwd, jamming, travle setup, they need a HUGE force to take you down. Just my 2 cents. TBH, you carebears should stop being scared of .4... onos! you MIGHT get shot at by another player.... but if you stick to gates/stations, you are prettymuch covered. Not if you're running hauling / courrier missions for a non combat agent.
Daolin	Posted - 2005.04.29 08:11:00 - [50] Originally by: Abigail101 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel people afraid of the gategank- YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO AVOID IT, USE THEM. IF YOU CANNOT SEE A GATEGANK, YOU DESERVE TO LOOSE YOUR SHIP. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU SETUP YOUR SHIP RIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT INSTAS, YOU CAN AVOID MOST GATEGANKS. Thanks you. Secondly, in .4, you still have a sentry gun to cover ur butt. It takes 3 bs to take down 1 bs with sentrys fireing. If your setup right, with mwd, jamming, travle setup, they need a HUGE force to take you down. Just my 2 cents. TBH, you carebears should stop being scared of .4... onos! you MIGHT get shot at by another player.... but if you stick to gates/stations, you are prettymuch covered. Not if you're running hauling / courrier missions for a non combat agent. Transport ships 4tw I use a Prowler for most courier missions, and a Mastodon for large cargo ones. Flying to 0.3/0.4 frequently, and not overly worried about gate ganks
Karl Borhman	Posted - 2005.04.29 17:05:00 - [51] Not a whine, but gateganks will always be an issue for mining barges. Which is probably why the majority of them have been staying in empire atm. And also the reason the suicide alts come looking for them there. Solution? Bring some friends. Lots and lots of friends. __________________________________ Mining ... the other white meat. __________________________________
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.29 18:34:00 - [52] lvl 4 missions/complexes should stay imo. They are hard enough to do (alone (megathron pilot)). Ppl do enjoy them. To move them to 0.4 below WILL attract pirates, and how do pirates do a living? By killing/randosming ppl. Pirates can get enough of that in every 0.4 you can go. This isn't to flame pirates but I think pirates want more prey to kill ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.29 19:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Kaeten lvl 4 missions/complexes should stay imo. They are hard enough to do (alone (megathron pilot)). Ppl do enjoy them. To move them to 0.4 below WILL attract pirates, and how do pirates do a living? By killing/randosming ppl. Pirates can get enough of that in every 0.4 you can go. This isn't to flame pirates but I think pirates want more prey to kill Complexes hard? HA... i can do the serpentis 4/10 in my HARPY (takes damn forever to kill the BS, but it CAN BE DONE). IMO up to 3/10s should be in empire, then the larger ones in low sec, and the 6+ out in 0.0. But yes, lvl 4s are a gravy train and a half.
Ozoneluke	Posted - 2005.04.29 19:40:00 - [54] I enjoy lvl 4 missions. I enjoy PVE. I don't enjoy PVP. I pay to play my way. I don't feel like going into an area of the game I have very little interest in, why should my enjoyment I pay for be taken away? I feel that mega and zyd yielding roids should be in all 0.5 to 1.0 security areas. I mean why should 0.0 miners have all the good ores, just decrease the amount of mega and zyd refine amount by 1 ore so that there is more of a draw to mine in higher security areas and drive down the market price for these over inflated prices. Leave lvl 4 agents alone in .5 to 1.0 areas and just make it more desirable to go to .4 and lower areas to mission for those who want an extra bit of danger thrown into the mix. What happened to, 'It's great this way but lets make it better by doing this.' I say, 'SHOOT the Nerfbat wielder then hide the Nerfbat so his clone can't find it.'
trumansho	Posted - 2005.04.29 20:04:00 - [55] and forget us peeps who play for the isk. losing even 1 trit is unacceptable. hehe. need me a good scrooge sig .4 and below who needs em
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.29 21:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Ozoneluke I enjoy lvl 4 missions. I enjoy PVE. I don't enjoy PVP. I pay to play my way. I don't feel like going into an area of the game I have very little interest in, why should my enjoyment I pay for be taken away? I feel that mega and zyd yielding roids should be in all 0.5 to 1.0 security areas. I mean why should 0.0 miners have all the good ores, just decrease the amount of mega and zyd refine amount by 1 ore so that there is more of a draw to mine in higher security areas and drive down the market price for these over inflated prices. Leave lvl 4 agents alone in .5 to 1.0 areas and just make it more desirable to go to .4 and lower areas to mission for those who want an extra bit of danger thrown into the mix. What happened to, 'It's great this way but lets make it better by doing this.' I say, 'SHOOT the Nerfbat wielder then hide the Nerfbat so his clone can't find it.' First off, its not "all good". Pirate bses in empire? if you want pve, you got it still in high sec empire. However, it STILL dosent make sense that theres pirates hanging around high sec empire. the ONLY part of high sec empire that could be justified would be .5 sec space, because one could justify a pirate incurstion. If your skered of being shot at, use ur brain. Use the map, and use some common sense. Still updates how many people killed in the past hour every 5 mins or so. If you dont enjoy pvp, this isant your game.
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.29 21:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Kaeten lvl 4 missions/complexes should stay imo. They are hard enough to do (alone (megathron pilot)). Ppl do enjoy them. To move them to 0.4 below WILL attract pirates, and how do pirates do a living? By killing/randosming ppl. Pirates can get enough of that in every 0.4 you can go. This isn't to flame pirates but I think pirates want more prey to kill Complexes hard? HA... i can do the serpentis 4/10 in my HARPY (takes damn forever to kill the BS, but it CAN BE DONE). IMO up to 3/10s should be in empire, then the larger ones in low sec, and the 6+ out in 0.0. But yes, lvl 4s are a gravy train and a half. sry, forgot to mention one thing. From 5/10 complexes up. The other ones are a joke ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Nachtjaeger	Posted - 2005.04.29 22:49:00 - [58] If you're going to argue these changes from a roleplay point of view here's some suggested ones; 1) Any criminally flagged ship hanging within range of a gate or station in 0.1-0.4 gets attacked by a Concord "Quick Reaction Force" after a certain time, time being dependant on distance from nearest 0.5 or above system, ie in a 0.4 system bordering a 0.5 system the response would be fast say 1-2 minutes and the response time would increase per jump. 2) Players with negative security can only dock after paying a bribe to "corrupt officials" when docking in empire space. Seem unreasonable? Probably but no more unreasonable than the proposed changes to missions seem from my point of view. When i started Eve i did some missions to get some cash instead of mining, before the Castor patch i did level 3 missions to get a shield booster amplifier BPO and then my corp moved to 0.0 and i went with them. After 15 months i realised i was bored witless with all the wars and petty politics 0.0 seem to generate so i went back to missions. And started enjoying Eve again. People argue that missions are causing inflation. Ever considered it might be that people aren't mining any more that's the real cause? If you think it's bad now wait til the New world order when the industrials will have harder times finding the minerals and materials they need. And just as a side line, i collect all loot and recycle to build ships and as i don't pay for the minerals i can always afford to undercut the market price, not something that contributes to inflation. The people calling for the missions to be nerfed always say "risk versues reward". From my point of view, there is no reward in 0.0 worth the risk. My agent has already been nerfed but it hasn't got me to move. Improve 0.0, make it worth the risk rather than try and force people to leave empire. All you'll end up doing is forcing them from Eve altogether and that benefits no one in the long run
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.30 00:21:00 - [59] Im not even 6 months old and im nearing 1 billion isk, mainly from lvl 4 missions. Now, theres old friends that i have had who made it the old way and it took them a hell of a lot longer to get there. Min prices are going up because A). People aint minein, and B) people are fking rich at hell now because of lvl 4 missions. It only hurts the noobs.
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.04.30 02:47:00 - [60] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Im not even 6 months old and im nearing 1 billion isk, mainly from lvl 4 missions. Now, theres old friends that i have had who made it the old way and it took them a hell of a lot longer to get there. Min prices are going up because A). People aint minein, and B) people are fking rich at hell now because of lvl 4 missions. It only hurts the noobs. lol, mining prices going up and it only hurt the noobs? When I started to play this game I Was lucky if I got 1 isk a unit for trit. Now you can sell it for over 3+, the other base mins are radical up as well. new players have it much better than the "old" timers had it when they started. And there is many ways to make 1 bill in 6 months time. You could do that by just mining base minerals. Players that focus on PVE and doing other non pvp things are much more likely to aquire wealth and assets faster than someone who do mostly PVP, if people can't see that then theiy are blind. You chose what to do in the game yourself. If one professions yield more assets, wealth or whatever than others, it still your choice what to do in the game. Or are everyone trying to set a price on FUN in this game? So and so fun, is worth so and so ISK? You take a choice as a player, if you want everyone to be in the same uniform and earn the same, do the same, and be the same, then EVE is the wrong game for you. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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