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Therran Promitz
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:32:00 -
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I've been playing EVE on and off for several years now but that critical knowledge has always eluded me: how do I get a reliable income of ISK? I spend most of it fitting ships for FW, so you could imagine my budget dries up quickly. Personally, I'm really bored with mission running, I started doing entry level 4's, which seems to net me about 2m~ ISK, if the rats are good. But frankly, that doesn't seem to be enough. I don't want to grind for days every time I suffer a loss, so surely there's a more efficient method (outside of becoming a pirate or scamming).
And another thing to that, it seems like in order to even mission efficiently you need to sell a PLEX and invest in a PvE fitted BS. I was thinking of trying Exploration next, but again it seems like you need a good BS to do it effectively, and all I've got is a Drake.
tl;dr: How the hell do I make ISK? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:32:00 -
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Scam idiots. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:33:00 -
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Therran Promitz wrote:I've been playing EVE on and off for several years now but that critical knowledge has always eluded me: how do I get a reliable income of ISK? I spend most of it fitting ships for FW, so you could imagine my budget dries up quickly. Personally, I'm really bored with mission running, I started doing entry level 4's, which seems to net me about 2m~ ISK, if the rats are good. But frankly, that doesn't seem to be enough. I don't want to grind for days every time I suffer a loss, so surely there's a more efficient method (outside of becoming a pirate or scamming).
And another thing to that, it seems like in order to even mission efficiently you need to sell a PLEX and invest in a PvE fitted BS. I was thinking of trying Exploration next, but again it seems like you need a good BS to do it effectively, and all I've got is a Drake.
tl;dr: How the hell do I make ISK?
Alts are for making isk.
I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Therran Promitz
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:37:00 -
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YoYo NickyYo wrote:Alts are for making isk.
But even if I could afford an alt, I wouldn't know how to make ISK with it, either. |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:38:00 -
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But even if I could afford an alt, I wouldn't know how to make ISK with it, either.[/quote]
No one can tell you what to do, you need to find what you "enjoy" doing enough to get rich at it.....
I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Therran Promitz
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:41:00 -
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YoYo NickyYo wrote:But even if I could afford an alt, I wouldn't know how to make ISK with it, either.
No one can tell you what to do, you need to find what you "enjoy" doing enough to get rich at it..... [/quote]
Yeah, I just need to get an idea of what that is. I do enjoy small gang and fleet PvP, though the loot and salvage from that is inconsistent at best. I suppose I could try solo PvP, though from I have heard taht usually doesn't end up too well. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
752
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:46:00 -
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I make most of my ISK either trading, hauling, station trading... or running incursions. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:47:00 -
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Sell PLEX. I imagine you already pay sub in cash, selling PLEX is no different. |
Ritsum
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:50:00 -
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Exploration does not need a BS... Use the T1 frigate of your choice that has Scan probe strength and scan down High sec sites. Use your drake for the combat sites and apart from combat sites only do radar sites, leave the rest alone in high sec.
If you don't want to do this just get either a T2 frigate, Assault Frigate normally works well here and just use the "scan" function without probes. You will find sites from this list to do which will sometimes provide Faction spawns at the end or escalations which can lead to quite a bit of ISK if lucky.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_Anomaly
Just stay in High sec for now until you get used to it and forget about Drone sites.
This link is for when you are scanning using probes and find a combat site.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Unrated_Complex_List
Once you get used to it you can make a lot of ISK if you apply yourself to the task. Short story here but when I returned to EvE a while back I did a few combat sites and managed to find a shield booster worth 500mill. It boils down to luck of drops but doing it constantly can result in a fair bit of ISK. I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |
Amber Coldheart
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:51:00 -
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Therran Promitz wrote: Yeah, I just need to get an idea of what that is. I do enjoy small gang and fleet PvP, though the loot and salvage from that is inconsistent at best. I suppose I could try solo PvP, though from I have heard taht usually doesn't end up too well.
Well, it depends on age (SP) and financial situation really.
A young character with little ISK really only has two options, and that is mining or mission running (then you have FW which people say they make a billion a week out of). As the wallet builds up, you can then get into the market, or start production of stuff through a POS, etc etc.
Most of that is usually best left to alts, as it takes (potentially) a lot of time to train.
There really is no "get rich really quickly" (except possibly for the above mentioned FW stuff that people brag about, not tried it personally) method, unless you want to spend real money and sell PLEX.
Well, to my knowledge anyway, but i dont know everything :)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1922
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:55:00 -
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Build freighters.
Mr Epeen -ávOv |
Therran Promitz
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:57:00 -
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That was another thing I was gonna bring up, people seem to talk about BCs and BSs like they're quite disposible, wheras for me losing my Drake is a large hit to my wallet.
I think I will try Exploration next, first Radar sites in a frig, then mayabe fit a probe launcher to my drake and try some combat sites. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:59:00 -
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Piracy |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2012.11.25 20:59:00 -
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If you make 2mil from a LvL4 mission you're doing it wrong. Kill everything, salvage and loot everything.
= Profit If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
714
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:00:00 -
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Making isk for PVP depends on your attitude towards it.
Take the Bull by the horns and make something of your Character. Reputation alone can bring in alot of ISK. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
441
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:01:00 -
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Well, you should check out the Mission guides, (no idea where they are, but I'm sure someone can point you at them), to find out which agents offer the good Missions like Angel Extravaganza and such. 2m ISK on a level 4 is a waste of time. Unfortunately, the agents only hand out these missions every so often, so you have to either 'cheat' or wait.
'Cheating' is done by having alts access the agent until one gets the mission you want, then you run it. I'm not sure how feasible this is, particularly as you need alts to have access to the mission in the first place. I can't imagine how much time is wasted in doing this, and eventually the alt cycle will turn up nothing interesting one would expect.
I've only heard about that; never seen anyone do it. Personally, I haven't the patience to grind to level 4 even with good social skills.
Salvaging will net you more if you're not doing that already.
Other ways to make ISK? Honestly, I can't think of any sure way to do it aside from Missions.
Ratting runs the risk of costing more than you make due to ship loss; that risk is high, and you are actually likely to spend ISK on ships and never get anything out of it while continuously losing them.
Mining in Highsec, while no longer as subject to ganking, is tedious, and offers little reward for the effort. Some might think it does, but the cost of setting up for it, the potential for ship loss or Wardec, the mind-numbing hours of boredom, all lead to a very small amount of ISK per hour.
Mining in Lowsec or Null is akin to taking your ISK and putting it on a character you intend to biomass immediately after. ..unless you happen to be in an Alliance, in their space, and have no means of entry to where you are aside from wormholes randomly dropping things on you. Even then. you need a Rorqual, and you have to rely on your Alliance to help you get it back to a Highsec station and store it in the meantime. Marginally better than Wormhole mining.
Ratting Sleepers in a Wormhole. The base entry requirement is high enough to be discouraging coupled with the danger and potential of losing everything which always exists.
Wormholing is basically the same, only with a much higher cost and the need for many players to stand a half a chance at success. Even then, it is a very high risk activity, and ironically, the additional players required consume the spawns at such a rate that you have to trade spots in ratting fleets so everyone can earn ISK there.
C6 has room for about 8-10 in a site with a reasonable amount of ISK to be made each, and about 2-5 sites a week max. available. That means you can sustain 40 members with a net potential profit of 150 million ISK a week each. Actually works out to be less than Missioning.
Market and Trade is saturated with easy generators that force such a competition in prices that most manufacturing is unprofitable all the time for anyone else. You can't compete, and thus you don't stand a chance at making a profit. Buys, + taxes and levies equal or exceed sells.
A very rare instance, something may be profitable, but if it is, you can bet someone beat you to it, or it's a Margin Trade scam or otherwise fake.
That leaves Missioning and Mining as practical means of making ISK in EVE; the two Ms, both of them boring. Oh, right, there are Incursions, but then you need a Fleet that knows exactly what it is doing and has a good mix of ship types appropriate to it. Then you have competition; afaik, only one fleet gets the egg at the end, so the rest go home empty handed. (per site)
That may seem a little negative, but it is mostly true unless you have a whole lot of time to waste, or somebody to hold your hand and make it easier for you. A large alliance can deliberately create rifts in the market, for which their members have already been well forewarned about, and are already stocked up and prepared to fill for example.
EVE is nearly 10 years old, with a lot of original players still doing there thing and many players with so much ISK they couldn't spend it if they bought Sov for an entire Alliance plus a few Supercaps, and maybe a Titan. These players flip, turn over, and otherwise manipulate these markets with nearly endless resources and have been doing so for years. That isn't something you can compete with. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:03:00 -
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Aren't you suppose to make money from FW? |
Therran Promitz
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:07:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Aren't you suppose to make money from FW?
'course not, I need money to fund it.
For me, PvP in EVE is where the meat is. I just need something to make sure I can fit another ship when mine explodes. |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
441
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:07:00 -
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After Retribution, bounty hunting may be viable.
Otherwise, when has War ever really been profitable? No one makes money fighting (unless your pirary skills are that leet). Its what you fight for that is supposed to make the profits (POCOS, POSes, PI, Moon Mining, etc).
yk |
Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:08:00 -
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Join a decent corp and learn to play with them because if you're in FW and can't make a profit them you are doing something really bad. |
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:09:00 -
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Are incursions still a cash cow? I haven't done any PVE for ages. Null sec anoms are good but of course you need to be in a position to access them.
null sec income http://theelitist.net/making-money-nullsec
Market trading is very profitable indeed and if you have been in game for a long time you ought to have enough knowledge to capitalise on this with little effort. This is how I make money and although I do it very lazily I tend to make anywhere from 4 to 8 billion a month doing so.
Scamming is profitable and there are many ways to do so, although to be truly successful at it you need to either put in a lot of effort or be imaginative. Spamming dumb contracts in market hubs is just the worst although it works well enough to keep people doing it. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
714
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:09:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:After Retribution, bounty hunting may be viable.
Otherwise, when has War ever really been profitable? No one makes money fighting (unless your pirary skills are that leet). Its what you fight for that is supposed to make the profits (POCOS, POSes, PI, Moon Mining, etc).
yk
I am going to disagree on that one with you. It depends from person to person.
You can make ISK from wars, and it has nothing to do with so called leet skills. You rely on human nature. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Romvex
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:11:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Scam idiots. this Post with your main |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:13:00 -
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sorry to jump on this thread but i was curious about the info in this piracy link, the pilot of the iteron was killed in a 0.5 sector so what would the pilot who killed him have gained? would he be able to grab some of the dropped gear after been shot down by concord? |
Romvex
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:15:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:sorry to jump on this thread but i was curious about the info in this piracy link, the pilot of the iteron was killed in a 0.5 sector so what would the pilot who killed him have gained? would he be able to grab some of the dropped gear after been shot down by concord? one very important word: alts Post with your main |
Mr Pragmatic
85
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:16:00 -
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Planetary interaction is a good way to make passive income. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) - "What are your modules like?"
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Vince Snetterton
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:32:00 -
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You can look at Incursions, but frankly you need a decent bit of capital and a whole lot of skills to get started in that area.
But they will provide you an income in the 40-60M/hour range. That of course does not include the wait time to get into fleets. The more times you run Incursions, and run them well, the more remembered you will become within the Incursion channels, and the faster you get picked up in fleets.
But you will need somewhere in the 1 billion ISK range to fly an Incursion ship that will get you into fleets fast. Sure, you can try to fly a T2 fitted BC, and someone might pick you up, but you will get picked up a lot faster if you bring a Vindi, or Tengu, or whatever your flavour of ship is, armour or shield.
Contrary to what a lot of people are saying, for characters starting out in the game it is very difficult to make ISK (FW LP farming made 3 day old alts hundreds of millions/hour, but that loophole has been closed to a large extent.)
If I was you, and already involved with the FW crowd, I would be asking them how to make money farming the FW sites. Just because CCP killed the ridiculous loophole does not mean they completely destroyed making money in FW. Test settings. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:39:00 -
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Entry level incursion-running is easiest with Level 5 in logistics.
Paying for PvP can be spun back on you two-fold:
Corp mates douche on a credit card pvp'r.
Look how old this guy was when he was pulling off kills on all sorts. |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
60
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:43:00 -
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You can always become an Agent Of The New Order and scam...er...sell mining permits to highsec miners.....
www.minerbumping.com.
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
230
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:49:00 -
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Shamefully, I cannot tell you about most fun, simple, profitable activity I know because CCP developers actually listen to vocal minorities who ask for money streams nerfs.
So not so easy and not so fun way: find WH corp and farm sleepers + harvest clouds for 60-300mil per hour (minus time to find them). |
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