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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:04:00 -
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so a fellow first-year uni student asked me today if you put dryer sheets in the tumble dryer or the washing machine.
So is this the new norm of society a lack of the ability to analyse the situation no matter how trivial? or are people just not doing as much chores as they should be when they are young wumbo |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:16:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:so a fellow first-year uni student asked me today if you put dryer sheets in the tumble dryer or the washing machine. So is this the new norm of society a lack of the ability to analyse the situation no matter how trivial? or are people just not doing as much chores as they should be when they are young
wow, a uni student that doesn't know how to google. god help them... |
Uudoo Graeth
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:24:00 -
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Iosue wrote:Eli Green wrote:so a fellow first-year uni student asked me today if you put dryer sheets in the tumble dryer or the washing machine. So is this the new norm of society a lack of the ability to analyse the situation no matter how trivial? or are people just not doing as much chores as they should be when they are young wow, a uni student that doesn't know how to google. god help them...
Wow, a society that forgets what life was like BEFORE google and doesn't know how to solve problems without google.... yikes! Better hope Google stays in business.... forever! heh. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:27:00 -
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Yeah, the fact he/she would even need Google to solve a "problem" like...that...is depressing to say the least... |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:44:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:so a fellow first-year uni student asked me today if you put dryer sheets in the tumble dryer or the washing machine. So is this the new norm of society a lack of the ability to analyse the situation no matter how trivial? or are people just not doing as much chores as they should be when they are young
It's a common sense approach to the problem, but not the most practical one. He knows nothing about how these machines work, so he does the sensible thing and doesn't assume to know anything about how they work. He would propably act like you assume he should, if he had to solve the issue himself. But since he has people who know better near him. he feels it's better to varify everything by them. It's normal to ask a person. It's mainly internet geeks who google everything before asking others.
As for people not doing chores when they are young. I mostly only did vacuuming and mowed the lawn until I moved away from my parents. Everything else I learned when I lived on my own. The details are not complicated things to learn, but you don't know that until you've done them for the first time. Until then you've usually got a foreign machine staring down on you, you propably haven't got a manual to it and you just have to figure out somehow what all the settings and markings/icons on those machines mean. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:52:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:
It's a common sense approach to the problem, but not the most practical one. He knows nothing about how these machines work, so he does the sensible thing and doesn't assume to know anything about how they work. He would propably act like you assume he should, if he had to solve the issue himself. But since he has people who know better near him. he feels it's better to varify everything by them. It's normal to ask a person. It's mainly internet geeks who google everything before asking others.
As for people not doing chores when they are young. I mostly only did vacuuming and mowed the lawn until I moved away from my parents. Everything else I learned when I lived on my own. The details are not complicated things to learn, but you don't know that until you've done them for the first time. Until then you've usually got a foreign machine staring down on you, you propably haven't got a manual to it and you just have to figure out somehow what all the settings and markings/icons on those machines mean.
This may be true but when you bring the item in question one would only assume you read/knew how to use it before hand. It may be common sense o ask questions, but it is not common sense to pick up a random object that may or may not be related to the job at hand wumbo |
Sheimi Madaveda
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.11.26 21:00:00 -
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I sometimes fear for humanity :/ Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://armapurgatorium.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arpur_recruit1.png-á |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:01:00 -
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Just let him know you put it in the dryer.
Also tell him for the best cleaning ever he needs to use at least 5 capfuls of detergent in the washer "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:12:00 -
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I tried google and got this ehow guide: How to Put Dryer Sheets in a Washer I thought this was a simple, non-confusing topic. How wrong I was. You live and learn.-á At any rate, you live.-á -Douglas Adams |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:31:00 -
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All I know is that you are suppose to take the cat out of the dryer before turning it on. Otherwise, it's allll good |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:13:00 -
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I still can't work a VCR, does that count?
Seriously though washing machines aren't exactly rocket science, although I'm a firm believer in the advice I gave my mother when she retired somewhere hot where it doesn't rain all the time, if you can't work a piece of technology, find a neighbour or friend with a teenager, because you can pretty much guarantee that they can.
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Kirjava
E X C E P T I O N
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Posted - 2012.11.27 03:19:00 -
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Funnily enough I am doing a module called Human Method Factors, its basicly somewhere between cognitive psychology and ergonomics. One of our main case studies was a design for a washing machines interface : designed by the engineers with their own thought processes as dominant.
The specific settings while making sense to an individual who had designed said systems, were near incomprehensible to someone who was just learning from the interface, ie unintuitive. With such varied options, the usage of said options rapidly declined as users didn't read the manual, just found setting that worked and stuck with it.
This lead to a redesign of the interface panel, and a surge in interest in the product as it was now usable to those beyond the technically literate.
Same thing with Apple really, sometimes its just much better to rework the interface than it is to teach someone to use a technical one.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2012.11.27 05:58:00 -
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Sounds like the person asking has never done any sort of household chores in his/her life. Possible parental upbringing issues, molly-coddlying their offsprings to to the point of dysfunction. Another possibility is unfamiliarity with a public laundrette setup, which really is a no brainer ... so, I doubt this was the primary reason.
That said, part to blame is the person themself. An independent minded fellow will almost always find ways to sort TRIVIAL things without much of a whisper. They usually learn basic life skills by themselves, without much help/encouragement from parents or friends.
Nowadays, imo, the amount of stupid is increasing though ... or maybe I'm getting too old already
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:34:00 -
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This is how I see people interacting with tech on a day to day basis and they imagine it functions
Back on topic tho, I think 2e are reaching a point, where we will need to build tools to understand the very own tools we create and use and then the cycle will deepen further.
There was a comic I read a long time ago, about a war between mankind and a Telepathic mind reading race that surrendered to mankind after learning people didnt know how to build the tech they used. Thats how mankind won, the race couldn't steal the secrets off peoples heads, most of them just knew how to pull the triggers or move the ships or aim the missiles ... if at all, since simply machines did most of the work, we were just users.
Where did I read that comic? Heavy Metal? hmmm ...
But in that line, I foresee a point in the future where most people will be like that guy, not understanding how something works even if common sense would dictate otherwise.
Intuitive UI or Layout design in machines is a marvelous field of study btw, and I bid you all to remember Jef Raskin , one of the REAL GENIUSES behind MAC/Apple.
Now I wander lost in thought again ... Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Misha M'Liena
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:37:00 -
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Wouldn't the dryer sheet box. Be a clue? After all IT'S a dryer sheet! Not a washer sheet. Not as innocent as she appears.
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Elias Greyhand
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Posted - 2012.11.27 19:38:00 -
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Washing Machines are one of the Curses of Evil. "That which is done cannot be undone. But it can be avenged." |
Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2012.11.27 20:08:00 -
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Back in first or second grade, we had these workbooks in school called "Think and Do." You were supposed to read the instructions, then fill in the workbook pages. "Circle all of the round things." "Draw a line from each thing to the thing that goes with it."
Then during reading circle, there was always at least one kid who'd messed up his pages. Circled all of the things that were food items, instead of all the round things. Mrs. Burris would say, "Greg, remember, 'Think and Do.' We want to think first, then do. If we do first, then think, we'll make mistakes"
Anyway, seems like there's a lot of Do and Think instead of Think and Do around these days. Like, at work nobody can bother to read all the way through to the end of an email. Too many words. Too many nitpicky details. They skim, apply some lazy and wrong assumption, and go directly to Do. Then you spend another few days fixing what should have been a quick and easy task. Think and Do-- words to live by.
(But note: Think and Do doesn't work in the area of love, romance and procreation. Think and Do will get you nowhere there. It's all Do and Think, Do and Think, in that order.) You live and learn.-á At any rate, you live.-á -Douglas Adams |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2012.11.27 20:09:00 -
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Webvan wrote:All I know is that you are suppose to take the cat out of the dryer before turning it on. Otherwise, it's allll good
Not if it's wet, it needs to be dried "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:38:00 -
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Heh, I am currently at college the now doing a HNC in Technically support, we have this guy, he is about 20 years old and how he even got near this course is beyond me. He has no initiative to solve problems, no brains to assess the situation and figure a way to work it out.
He literally, soon as he hits a problem of any sort. Hand goes up, constantly asking stupid and ******** questions, sometimes even interrupting the tutor during talks about off topic stuff.
Some of these people, if only I could get away with half the **** I would do to them, anal **** without lube being the least of his worries.
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Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.28 05:09:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Webvan wrote:All I know is that you are suppose to take the cat out of the dryer before turning it on. Otherwise, it's allll good Not if it's wet, it needs to be dried Well I didn't comment on microwave drying rules. The microwave is after all a wonderful and efficient household tool for drying a variety of things quickly.
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Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
2127
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Posted - 2012.11.28 09:24:00 -
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When i was in my 2nd year of uni we had token operated washing machines.
Basically 1 token was a short cycle, 2 medium etc etc.
My mates used to love feeding loads of tokens into a machine and letting the cycle run for ages. I quickly learnt to never leave my washing alone ever.
And here is something i once heard:
Do you clean dry clean only in the tumble dryer? |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
431
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Posted - 2012.11.28 13:25:00 -
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Nice, this thread is going here
Love that! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
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