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Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
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Posted - 2012.11.28 09:44:00 -
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When I first started playing EVE I warped to a belt in low sec trying to explore. I was just flying around the asteroids pretending I was the Millennium Falcon when a flashy red assault frigate landed on the belt. I tried to align to a gate to warp off but my stupid ship got bumped by an asteroid which gave the pirate enough time to kill me. To this day I have never forgiven the space rocks and mine them endlessly in the hopes that their genocide will erase my feeling of loss. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
68
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Posted - 2012.11.28 09:46:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote: You do realize that you can modify sell orders remotely?
Since you're already starting industry&research jobs from belt why not add some trading.
You did say "max out every mining related skill". Since those are things I can do from belt they are "mining related skills".
Leadership skills are kinda required to fly Orca.
I suppose trading while mining on one character simultaneously works quite well if you're in the same region as your sell orders. Only one or two of the pilots are in Orcas. The rest don't really need to be trained into it.
Mara Rinn wrote: This, pretty much. Leadership skills for at least two pilots: one with the Orca for Wing Commander & Mining Foreman Mindlink, then one for the pilot acting as squad commander for Leadership and Siege Warfare Specialist & Siege Warfare Mindlink, then shield tank the mining squad. If there was a structure tanking mindlink, I'd use that instead.
Since you can't convert ore to ISK without trade skills, you need those. You make more ISK processing the ore first, so train up Industry, Refining, Refinery Efficiency, Metallurgy, specialist ore refining, Scrap Metal Processing (for the loot from rats you blow up while mining, and the loot you scoop from failed suicide gankers).
We're still mining related here, folks. It keeps going!
Then Trade skills because someone has to sell the product. And you'll want to improve standings to get lower taxes in those stations, so train those social skills and spam missions (courier missions since we're being lazy and not training combat skills).
So while you're mining you're also updating buy orders, sell orders, courier contracts (to get some other ******* to haul your billion units of tritanium from Colelie to Dodixie), research, manufacturing, etc. And then you realise that you've missed fifteen minutes of that movie because you were so busy doing that "AFK" activity which everyone thinks is for chumps.
In fact out of all the skill trees, the only ones you won't have some skills maxed out in will be Missiles and Gunnery.
Praise thy pause button. And well, that's pretty much everything that could be said. Now lets see if a miner or two reads this and learns from it. |
Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage Peregrine Nation
100
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Posted - 2012.11.28 09:53:00 -
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Why do people do anything, because they want too. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
599
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:19:00 -
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People need isk. Mining is mindnumbing and terrible, but so is PvE and Industry/Market trading/Scamming isn't for everyone. Mining is the easiest of the bunch and can not only be done largely AFK, but even has ships that facilitate AFK play (in direct contrast to PvE, which has ongoing efforts to eliminate AFK gameplay). That makes it a pretty attractive option. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:21:00 -
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Mining mechanics are horribly bad and boring.
I know of no-one who does not aim at doing other stuff while mining. Watching movies, shows what ever.
Mining is an extreme grind of your life. Seriously consider if it's worth the (lack of) isk. |
Nelran Estemaire
No Spoon Inc
7
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Posted - 2012.11.28 11:01:00 -
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Impressive what you can get out of a single post... |
Alexila Quant
Strategic Acquisitions Group
33
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Posted - 2012.11.28 11:28:00 -
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Kiran wrote:90% of the items you buy are made by players. Now if they removed mining from the game how would you buy your ships and weapons ? Fly about killing rats till one of them dropped a hull ?
If this is the game you want then go play WoW.
Simple. Get Scrapmetal processing and reprocess mission loot. You get more minerals doing that anyway if you have a Noctis alt... |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
462
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Posted - 2012.11.28 13:24:00 -
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Revajin wrote:When I first started playing EVE I warped to a belt in low sec trying to explore. I was just flying around the asteroids pretending I was the Millennium Falcon when a flashy red assault frigate landed on the belt. I tried to align to a gate to warp off but my stupid ship got bumped by an asteroid which gave the pirate enough time to kill me. To this day I have never forgiven the space rocks and mine them endlessly in the hopes that their genocide will erase my feeling of loss.
lol, you win the thread :) .
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
696
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Posted - 2012.11.28 14:19:00 -
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Archdaimon wrote:Mining mechanics are horribly bad and boring.
I know of no-one who does not aim at doing other stuff while mining. Watching movies, shows what ever.
Mining is an extreme grind of your life. Seriously consider if it's worth the (lack of) isk.
there aren't any other activities that give you isk for watching your favourite film. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
42
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Posted - 2012.11.28 15:59:00 -
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Yeah you're doing it wrong. First of all, you have to know what to mine. At this point, the fact that you even question whether Hi-Sec ore is more valuable than null sec ore shows that you're not familiar with mining.
Mining isn't about targeting rocks it's about knowing how to make isk. For example, until recently, Pyerite prices were skyrocketing - so what do you mine? In that case, it would have been Massive Scordite. If you look at prices now, Isogen is on the rise - so you switch gears.
End of the day, Mack/Orca team mining ore makes about 30M isk per hour fairly easily. Do that 3 hours a day, 30 days a month and it's 2.7B isk per month - 4.5 times the current plex price.
Now, can I make more doing level 4s for 3 hours a day/30 days a month - possibly depending on mission mix but mining is almost a sure thing and there is very little risk for loss.
The thing about mining is it comes down to the type of person. Not everyone wants to PVP, Hell not everyone wants to PVE. For some people, the appeal of Eve is being able to work behind the scenes. Without miners, there are no materials and without materials there are no ships, with no ships there is no PVP. So if you like to PVP, then I would suggest that you encourage those who enjoy mining to continue to mine. |
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Roger Dew
Simply Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:06:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:if no one mined you'd have no ships, you want this to be like halo or something where everytime you die you get a new ship with new guns health and ammo? just go play halo
As for your 2 hours = 39m. Fail
I mine that much every 40 minutes with 1 hulk and 1 covetor with orca boosts. And if you really want isk, get your refining skills up and your standings up with a corp and use its station to refine.
Also i watch plenty of movies and stuff when mining ore i dont have a problem with that. In fact mining is exactly what i do if i have a new movie or a tv series i want to watch.
I also suggest getting your leadership/mining boosting skills up, getting the foreman implant and also setting some in belt bm's. If you mine smart with skills you can have all your ships in the dead center and never have to move an inch all while being able to drop directly into the orca, no jetcans and tractors (that frees up a orca high for a siege boost module too!). If your really keen have 1 account fly a fast nippy ship use it to check each belt before hand and then warp your fleet to that character, saves trying to positing and scout in a clumsy barge
With a little planning, skill and thought mining is an easy, moderately rewarding task thats a heck of a lot better than 19.5m per hour
Be glad people are mining cause if they didnt, your 20m per hour belt ratting.. might buy you a ship in 6 months time
Let me clarify something to you.
I tried this with 3x reasonably skilled covetors and 1 character with MAX orca skills (orca lvl 5 etc).
There is no way with skills and a hulk that I would be seeing double the return I did. So I conclude that you are full of it. |
Roger Dew
Simply Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:09:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote: Hi there.
At the rate you make 100 mil isk while repping your SS in belts, I mine and manufacture 1 BS.
I jump it (using free isotopes mined via ice) to a low sec system that sees allot of action and markup the hull at Jita + 25%.
Then impoverished and desperate morons... I mean erm... hard working combatants like yourself come along and buy that hull... And the more you get blown up... the more isk I make.
So keep at it newbie. Your doing it right!
The hilarious thing is, you could just buy that hull in Jita and mark it up by 25% in the same system and benefit from the profit without the boring mining.
I will be selling the mining characters because they will make me far more in character bazzar than profit in those horrible belts :P |
Roger Dew
Simply Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:10:00 -
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Dixegu Smith wrote:To answer your question OP, some people (I'm talking about me!) just arent intrested in Fights AT ALL. They just dont give me the kick. On the other hand, the awesome economy system EvE's having is just so epic that words cant describe it. Yet you can manage Hauling and Trading while mining (assuming you have alts).
In total, it costs me as much concentration as just playing 1 Account and do Mission Running - but the hell, THAT is whats really boring in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, have fun with it if youd enjoy it, but its just not everybodys deal.
To be honest I figured this would be the answer, I did find it quite addictive wanting to log in again and mine. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1006
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:24:00 -
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Alexila Quant wrote: Simple. Get Scrapmetal processing and reprocess mission loot. You get more minerals doing that anyway if you have a Noctis alt...
Patently and Absolutely Untrue. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1006
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:26:00 -
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It would be hilarious if absolutely every miner actually organized and took a month off.
The tears would be delicious and hugely freeflowing, most assuredly. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Commander Ted
Dookie on the flowah
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:30:00 -
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Smoking a pipe full of cherry flavored tobacco, listening to NPR, and pretending your the captain of a mining operation in deep space is quite relaxing after you finished all your work for the day. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
697
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:32:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It would be hilarious if absolutely every miner actually organized and took a month off.
The tears would be delicious and hugely freeflowing, most assuredly.
yeah... except i need to earn my plex money some how... Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1006
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:34:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It would be hilarious if absolutely every miner actually organized and took a month off.
The tears would be delicious and hugely freeflowing, most assuredly. yeah... except i need to earn my plex money some how...
lol. Yup. Tears would be on all sides ! RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1006
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:35:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Smoking a pipe full of cherry flavored tobacco, listening to NPR, and pretending your the captain of a mining operation in deep space is quite relaxing after you finished all your work for the day.
Change that tobacco to something a little more 'effective' and then you are doing it right RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1123
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:40:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Demolishar wrote:You made the mistake of mining ore. mine Ice. Ice is even worse at 8mil an hour. OP; People will play the way they want to play. The only issue I have with some profession (ice mining) is when they become an activity where you profit for not actually playing the game. But you can mine ice continuously with no interaction, and only have to empty your cargohold once in a while (used to be 20 minutes for my Macks to fill, but new Retrievers & Macks carry about 3 times more). |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4136
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:44:00 -
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Because I don't have time to kill people or mission or even trade these days.
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
697
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:50:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Demolishar wrote:You made the mistake of mining ore. mine Ice. Ice is even worse at 8mil an hour. OP; People will play the way they want to play. The only issue I have with some profession (ice mining) is when they become an activity where you profit for not actually playing the game. But you can mine ice continuously with no interaction, and only have to empty your cargohold once in a while (used to be 20 minutes for my Macks to fill, but new Retrievers & Macks carry about 3 times more).
unless you're totally afk, mining ore is easily more profitable. 1 button click every 180 seconds or so for almost double the profit. just a simple alt+tab to change back to eve, restart your laser, and tab back to whatever you're doing outside of eve on your pc. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Weiland Taur
Taur Industries Rebel Alliance of New Eden
108
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:15:00 -
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And again we find ourselves upon the edge of that uneven precipice named, GÇ£why don't you play EVE my way?GÇ¥
To answer:
I mine on several accounts, make ships, do PI, and all the other wonderful Nullbear stuff. I pvp on another account, not well, but with a great deal of enthusiasm when the need arises for home defense or I am just in the mood. I find both to be fun in different ways. Think of it this way, some days I'm keen for 2001 a space Odyssey; a slow immersive space simulation game. Some days I just want the explosions and bubble gum of Star Wars, i.e. small gang or blob pvp. Both have merit because I enjoy them.
Contrary to some popular belief not everyone in Eve is driven by ISK/hour. I know that is madness and we should immediately use the very appropriate argument of GÇ£would you work in real life for less than the maximum wage possible?GÇ¥ (the answer to this is surprisingly yes and many people do and are very happy for it). Some of us just like the space game and all the different components of it. The trend in video games appears to be moving toward immersive experiences. For some of us that is found in the quieter space empire part of eve; the building and gathering parts. We also tend to attract small gangs of pvp pilots who want to kill us, thus adding to the overall ecosystem.
If I can mine, tend to my little empire until the barbarians come, and chat with my friends on TS, so much the better. So can we please find a better use for forum space than the covert, I play eve better than you do, trolling?
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Landrae
Sacred Templars Unclaimed.
386
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:49:00 -
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I mine for 2 reasons.
1) I do it while I am studying because I have to be sitting at my desk anyway and its an easy minimal effort way to earn isk. If you have to put as much effort into mining as OP claims you are clearly doing it wrong.
2) These days I really only mine ice and only to fuel POS's. Welcome to Eve Online |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
464
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:56:00 -
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Weiland Taur wrote: We also tend to attract small gangs of pvp pilots who want to kill us, thus adding to the overall ecosystem.
If I can mine, tend to my little empire until the barbarians come, and chat with my friends on TS, so much the better.
Just wanted to quote this part. THIS, my good friends is a real EVE player someone who understands the game he's in and accepts it rather than running to daddy (ccp) expecrting him to make the bad people go away.
*Tips hat to Weiland*
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
6420
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Posted - 2012.11.28 21:21:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:Digital Messiah wrote:
588*3 -------- = 13 hours and 37 minutes of mining a month. "13.363636 continued" for the curious minded folks. (44*3)
Oh my god. 13.3636... hours converts into 13 hours 21 minutes and 49 seconds plus something negligeable. actually...
13.363636 continuing is based on the decimal numbering system which is still going based on 100 minutes per hour. Multiply 13.363636 by 100 to since this is assuming it's 100 mins/hr to get 1336.363636 continuing. Now that we have the base amount of actual minutes, we divide by how many minutes there are in an hour.
1336.363636 / 60 = 22.272727
It would actually be 22.272727 continuing when converted over to a 60 minute format which converts to 22 hours 16 minutes and 48 seconds.
So after the first 22 hours or so mining a month to pay for 3 characters to just play the game, you can start making a profit.
Let's say there is on avg 30 days in a month. 22.28 / 30 = 0.7426666666666667 which converts to 44.56 minutes. So 45 minutes of mining a night at 44,000,000.00 isk per hour to just pay for 3 characters to play.
This is of course if you can make the 44 mil per hour needed and the base market value of plex stays at 588 mil as Digital Messiah used for base amounts.
Edit: Sorry, I'm really OCD about incomplete math being accepted as correct. It was correct until it was unfinished. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.12.13 11:58:00 -
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You are either a troll or someone really bad in maths.
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Agent Akari
Just Popped Out For Milk Corcoran State
66
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Posted - 2012.12.13 12:03:00 -
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I am going on strike! I want better pay for my minerals sell out.
Sadly this doesn't work in eve :( |
Nylith Empyreal
Crowbar Industries. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
192
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Posted - 2012.12.13 12:06:00 -
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Why do you ask questions that so many threads have given the answer to? "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
485
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Posted - 2012.12.13 12:22:00 -
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Because its casual. Duh.
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