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milllo
Billy and the Boingers
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:20:00 -
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It makes no sense that a pirate, who kills anyone and everyone, can safely dock at stations in high and low sec.
There are nullsec npc stations and there are pos, why cant they be forced to use those?
At the moment, there are no negatives to being -10 in lowsec. Lots of fish around with all the faction warfare pilots. People shoot everyone anyway and if you are at risk you just dock safely. Thus they can keep big ships at those stations risk-free and mob anybody who tries to hunt them.
What is more strange is that fw pilots lose access to lowsec stations when the sov changes, but pirates get to stay regardless!
Pirates are supposed to give up safety for the freedom to kill anybody, but as currently implemented they get safety and license to kill. They get the benfits of civilization without having to follow any of its rules. That doesnt make any kind of sense.
Some penalty needs to assessed to -10s.
I propose docking of any kind (pod or not) be not allowed in hi or low sec to anyone lower than -5. Let them go to nullsec or build and defend pos's.
This could be added to the rumored ability to buy your way out of negative security status. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
198
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:22:00 -
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And again a QQ post here we go. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1419
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:24:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:And again a QQ post here we go. notemptyquoting
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Alara IonStorm
3583
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:25:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Johan Civire wrote:And again a QQ post here we go. not emptyquoting
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10455
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:26:00 -
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milllo wrote:It makes no sense that a pirate, who kills anyone and everyone, can safely dock at stations in high and low sec. Sure it does. They have no beef with the station owner in question so the station owner chooses not to interfere with the business of the immortal (and occasionally very handy) pod pilots.
Quote:Pirates are supposed to give up safety for the freedom to kill anybody GǪand they do. It's just that it's your job to exploit that lack of safety and make their lives miserable. If that isn't happening, it's because you're slacking off. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
galenwade
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:16:00 -
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They bribe the dock master with exotic dancers or was it midgets i can't remember
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God's Apples
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:18:00 -
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Your idea is soooo good, let's all +1 it because it makes so much sense. |
Malaclypse Thorn
Broken Anvil Catastrophic Uprising
4
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:21:00 -
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Lets look at it SOLELY from a lore P.O.V
High sec is like the city, the core population of the world lives here and moves through here regularly, and it is policed by a force that is PAID for. The stations have active patrols, so do the gates, these police are paid to do their job. Look over to low sec, the space isnt popular enough or whatever to require patrols and live bodies to keep it safe, so automated defenses are all they get, and they always target the aggressor. However, a station is also usually some level of a trade hub, and people who dock there are perspective buyers or market users (if this game included malls, etc etc, this is where it would be). They're criminals yes, but theyre not locked out from being a paying customer just because theyre a criminal, their money is still good so **** that, let them in.
Lets now look at it from a real P.O.V
**** you, you have never been on the other side of the fence and don't know what kind of nightmare it can be to be -10. Shut up and get over it, the guy docked and didn't fight, thats his damned choice. |
Merouk Baas
7
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:30:00 -
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milllo wrote:There are nullsec npc stations and there are pos, why cant they be forced to use those?
I'm for forcing them to use those, and for forcing you to supply those stations with high-sec goods. Why should high-sec stations offer trade features at all? Close the market in high-sec, make it be a nullsec/pos feature only.
There are no negatives to being a high-sec player. Some penalty needs to be assessed.
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Red Teufel
Blackened Skies Nulli Secunda
111
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:39:00 -
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lowsec stations are like the super structures in the judge dredd movie lol. |
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
53
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Posted - 2012.11.27 03:08:00 -
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Makes sense.
Security status is only relative to Concord. Concord is not just police. New Eden is not a single centralized state/power. Concord is more like United Nation, and they policy only specific and limited crimes in space and have no power over the stations, stations are ruled by facion, corporations and groups.
You can be a criminal for Concord but an hero for the station owners. As many enlisted in FW militias are pirates and outlaw for Concord but have 10.0 standings for their faction.
As sidenote: folks, if you want to dictate our laws and your parameters have to play in null sec and build it. Cannot stay in NPC space and demand to have your idea of law or your personal "ethic" enforced by game mechanics changes. This is what a sandbox game is about.
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Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
118
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Posted - 2012.11.27 03:36:00 -
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Faction Warfare pilots chose to belong to faction warfare and fight directly against empire factions.
Pirates, well we just cruise around all nice and neutral and perhaps a bit yellow and red. We don't have issue against any of the empire factions. We're an open minded group. Equal opportunity pewpew.
Concord enforces some basic rules. That's it. Do you really think that empire doesn't want our trade and business? Do you really think people don't want to sell us the ammo that we use and the ships that we need to replace? Should I tell you how many residents of low sec explore for ISK and supply high sec with shiny mods to pimp their mission and incursion ships?
You know, people who are not in faction warfare but have negative standing towards empire factions can still dock in their stations. Maybe if pirates have to live in null sec all the mission runners with negative sec standings should be banned from docking at stations that belong to the empire faction that doesn't like them as well. Gee how fun.
Also, I'd hate to tell you this but if you evicted us all to null sec we'd have positive sec status soon enough and just rampage back into empire and continue to kill people. It'd not even slow anyone down. High sec would not be safe and low sec would not become the land of wild and crazy carebear friendly adventure.
Going below -5 is a choice. It has consequences. Consequences that you have never had to deal with. So you ignore them, because you must be right because you want to be safe.
Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1150
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Posted - 2012.11.27 03:39:00 -
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Posting in yet another 'nerf gankers' thread.
Feels like I've been saying this more than usual. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Karrl Tian
Yarrbusters
42
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Posted - 2012.11.27 04:14:00 -
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milllo wrote:It makes no sense that a pirate, who kills anyone and everyone, can safely dock at stations in high and low sec.
There are nullsec npc stations and there are pos, why cant they be forced to use those?
At the moment, there are no negatives to being -10 in lowsec.
Except for that whole "can be tackled by frigtes on gates" thing.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2952
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Posted - 2012.11.27 07:08:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Posting in yet another 'nerf gankers' thread.
Feels like I've been saying this more than usual. It's been happening more than usual. Only on this forum. |
Elliot Vodka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.11.27 07:34:00 -
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It makes since, regardless of how many trolls got here first...
Anyway if you want to talk reality it would be bad for business for a high sec to want pirates in his area destroying potential business. Unless there was a backhand deal or bribe. Hay why dont pirates pay extra for back ally parking? Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?" |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
194
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Posted - 2012.11.27 08:08:00 -
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Please go flashy first and then we talk. Until then STFU. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1083
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:15:00 -
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Piracy is a lowsec activity not nullsec. That may actually be the worst post of this year, gratz. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
372
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:24:00 -
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Why does the station care that one pod pilot at some point in the past blew up the ship of another pod pilot? |
Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:33:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:milllo wrote:There are nullsec npc stations and there are pos, why cant they be forced to use those? I'm for forcing them to use those, and for forcing you to supply those stations with high-sec goods. Why should high-sec stations offer trade features at all? Close the market in high-sec, make it be a nullsec/pos feature only. There are no negatives to being a high-sec player. Some penalty needs to be assessed.
The difference here is only that what he said was logical and what you said is not.
Thank you. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
658
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:42:00 -
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Deleted some trolling and nonconstructive posts. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:53:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Why does the station care that one pod pilot at some point in the past blew up the ship of another pod pilot? On the other hand it definately should care about a pod pilot that kills lots of its factions (or even corps) ships, so you definately not be able to dock in a station you have bad standing to.
Maybe this is what the FW station lockout is leading to - docking rights based on specific standings.
ATM it seems a little odd that my FW pilot can't dock in any station in enemy losec but can happily dock in enemy military stations in hisec. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10735
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Posted - 2012.11.27 12:14:00 -
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milllo wrote:It makes no sense that a pirate, who kills anyone and everyone, can safely dock at stations in high and low sec.
There are nullsec npc stations and there are pos, why cant they be forced to use those?
At the moment, there are no negatives to being -10 in lowsec. Lots of fish around with all the faction warfare pilots. People shoot everyone anyway and if you are at risk you just dock safely. Thus they can keep big ships at those stations risk-free and mob anybody who tries to hunt them.
What is more strange is that fw pilots lose access to lowsec stations when the sov changes, but pirates get to stay regardless!
Pirates are supposed to give up safety for the freedom to kill anybody, but as currently implemented they get safety and license to kill. They get the benfits of civilization without having to follow any of its rules. That doesnt make any kind of sense.
Some penalty needs to assessed to -10s.
I propose docking of any kind (pod or not) be not allowed in hi or low sec to anyone lower than -5. Let them go to nullsec or build and defend pos's.
This could be added to the rumored ability to buy your way out of negative security status. It makes perfect sense, as those who own the stations care not what we do. It's not there job to care.
There are negatives to being -10, but you're obviously overlooking them and deciding you want more.
FW pilots lose access, because they are involved with the faction who owns the station. They do care about people who are against them.
We do give up safety and freedoms, but station docking is not a part of that. For reasons explained.
Pirates of -10 live in low sec, why would we want or need to go to null?
No one should ever be able to buy their way out of negative sec status.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
270
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Posted - 2012.11.27 12:27:00 -
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Malaclypse Thorn wrote: **** you, you have never been on the other side of the fence and don't know what kind of nightmare it can be to be -10. Shut up and get over it, the guy docked and didn't fight, thats his damned choice.
you lack of logic. Your sentence can be applied to mass-killers, terrorists and other 'bad people' in real world. And you would say you can't speak anything about them too?
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
263
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Posted - 2012.11.27 12:49:00 -
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Put global kill rights on -10s and let Concord get at them when they turn up in Hisec. Pool's closed. New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10735
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:45:00 -
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Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Put global kill rights on -10s and let Concord get at them when they turn up in Hisec. Pool's closed. Good news, being -10 already means everyone has kill rights on us. As per game mechanics and Concord will intervene if we do anything aggressive and gain GCC in high sec.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Alara IonStorm
3585
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:49:00 -
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Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Put global kill rights on -10s and let Concord get at them when they turn up in Hisec. Pool's closed. Perfect but remove Concords uber HP, and DPS, make them around as powerful as any non capsuleer and then make them actually have to warp to the seen of the crime after a call for help has been issued.
Might take them a few minutes to get ready, you'll probably want to stay on the call tell them how many attackers they're are and such.
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Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
16
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:25:00 -
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I'd like to see an expansion based on the seedier side of life in EVE, with concepts like smuggling modules and a black market for stolen / illegal goods. If they did something like that, they could add more thematically apropriate places for pirates (and others) to dock where you could get involved in activities like gambling and bloodsports. I think that would be a lot of fun. |
Mai Khumm
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
313
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:25:00 -
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Posting in a stealth nerf High and losec thread... Since EVE will be pay to win very soon. --> 65 Mil SP subcap pilot/45 Mil SP Caldari-Indy Cap pilot looking for Powerbloc Coalition... |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
176
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:08:00 -
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The problem with your 'they have no consequences for being -10' arguemnt is simply that its bullshit.
Heres just a couple of the consequences faced for being below -5
1. If i am engaged on a gate or station by anyone higher than -5 the sentry guns will never be on my side, at best they ignore me and at worst they shoot me right along with everyone else. Given most fights in lowsec take place on gates or stations im sure you can see thats a pretty big disadvantage.
2. travelling through highsec in anything bigger than a frigate entails travel fits, constantly dodging faction police and risking being pointed on a gate by any wazzock who has nothing better to do at that moment. This means we actually have to have a functioning support structure in order to do what we do, either alt based or through manufacturing things ourselves.
From a lore perspective it makes no sense either. The people I shoot and ships I kill dont belong to any corporation that owns the stations we dock at, theyre capsuleers just like me. Why should a corp deny itself my business, and dont forget capsuleers are the richest individuals in the whole of new eden so our business is worth a shitload, for shooting people who are utterly unrelated to it in any meaningful way. |
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