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Tiste Khatru
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:22:00 -
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Hey all, brand new capsuleer here. I'd like to request some clarification on my situation and then some advice on how to avoid making similar mistakes in the future.
From what I've gathered online so far, it seems Mining is a decent way for newbies like myself to get started. So, after playing through the opening tutorial, I started working for the Industrial agent, and found myself with a shiny new Bantam mining frigate. Not knowing if it was a bad idea to remove my Miner I from my starter ship, I purchased two new ones on the market for what seemed like a pretty good deal. On my way back to my home station (had to make 3 jumps to pick up the new lasers) I decided to try out my new purchase in the "safe"(0.9) system I happened to be in. So I warped to the closest asteroid field I could find, but before I could even target the nearby Scordite, my ship exploded in my face.
Now for the stupid part: feeling frustrated with the loss of my new ship so soon, I thought maybe I could at least save the lasers I had just bought. Of course, as soon as I showed up again, my starter ship got the same treatment as the Bantam. Doh!
Now, from my understanding, 0.9 is supposed to be pretty safe. Was I just unlucky, or should I have been better prepared before trying to mine in 0.9?
I realize I'll get a free replacement for my Caldari starter ship, so should I just plan to mine with that now, once I find some new lasers? I bought insurance for the Bantam, but the payout was minimal compared to the cost to purchase a replacement on the market.
So, any advice on how to proceed and/or how to prevent future mistakes like this?
Thanks in advance!
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:00:00 -
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Nearly all hisec systems have some low level NPC pirate presence. Just a few weak frigates, the kind you fought in the tutorial. Grab a Merlin and put some blasters or railguns, shields, and some other stuff on it, clear the belt, and then come in with your Bantam to mine.
Your Merlin could be equipped with the following:
Quote: HIGH 3 x 75mm Gatling Railgun I
MEDIUM 1x Medium Shield Extender I 1x Stasis Webifier I 1x Small Shield Booster I 1x 1MN Afterburner I
LOW 1x Damage Control I 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer I 1x Co-Processor I OR Micro Auxiliary Power Core I (depending on if you need more CPU or power grid)
This is just off the top of my head, and not verified that it actually fits using a fitting tool like Pyfa, so take it with a grain of salt.
Good luck! ISD LackOfFaith Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:00:00 -
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Your new Ibis will have a civilian mining laser, but the quickest way to get a new freebie Bantam is to run the first two missions in either the Business or Exploration tutorial. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:03:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Nearly all hisec systems have some low level NPC pirate presence. I'm fairly sure there are no rats in 1.0 or 0.9 sec. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:23:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Nearly all hisec systems have some low level NPC pirate presence. I'm fairly sure there are no rats in 1.0 or 0.9 sec. Hmm... I was fairly certain that they spawned everywhere, with a few systems being exempt for anti-lag purposes (e.g. Jita, Rens, Amarr, etc). I can't seem to find any info supporting either of our stances, but then how could OP have gotten killed in 0.9 twice? ISD LackOfFaith Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
10
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:35:00 -
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Click on your character portrait, click on 'combat log'. What killed you? |
Matalino
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:43:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Nearly all hisec systems have some low level NPC pirate presence. I'm fairly sure there are no rats in 1.0 or 0.9 sec. Hmm... I was fairly certain that they spawned everywhere, with a few systems being exempt for anti-lag purposes (e.g. Jita, Rens, Amarr, etc). I can't seem to find any info supporting either of our stances, but then how could OP have gotten killed in 0.9 twice? 1.0 and 0.9 do not have belt rats. If the OP was mining in a 0.9 security system belt, then he must have been killed by a player. That would also explain why he didn't see it coming. Belt rats in high sec take a while to kill even an untanked frigate. I am sure that the OP would have figured out what was happening.
The solution is to find a quieter system. Most likely the 0.9 security system is a busy one, and someone was having fun that day ganking miners. OP: you are mostly safe in high-sec; however, if someone is willing to sacifice their ship, they can still kill you anywhere. All you can do is to try to avoid attention, and moving to an quiet system is a good way to start. |
Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1494
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:58:00 -
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Either this pilot got suicide ganked or he was in space that didn't like him. I suspect he was killed by a local navy. In which case he needs to understand how his standing effect where he can go safely without the NPC navy being on his ass.
Like Elena said, we need to know what killed you, go check your character sheet for the loss. You can double click the entry to see full info about what ship you lost and who did what damage, etc but if you could paste us the text version of it that would be helpful. You should be able to click an icon at the top left of the killreport window that should give you the option to copy the text log for the kill. The Drake is a Lie |
J'Poll
KIngs of the Underground Side Effect.
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Posted - 2012.11.27 19:12:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Nearly all hisec systems have some low level NPC pirate presence. Just a few weak frigates, the kind you fought in the tutorial. Grab a Merlin and put some blasters or railguns, shields, and some other stuff on it, clear the belt, and then come in with your Bantam to mine. Your Merlin could be equipped with the following: Quote: HIGH 3 x 75mm Gatling Railgun I
MEDIUM 1x Medium Shield Extender I 1x Stasis Webifier I 1x Small Shield Booster I 1x 1MN Afterburner I
LOW 1x Damage Control I 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer I 1x Co-Processor I OR Micro Auxiliary Power Core I (depending on if you need more CPU or power grid)
This is just off the top of my head, and not verified that it actually fits using a fitting tool like Pyfa, so take it with a grain of salt. Good luck!
Time to go back to school Mr ISD.
1.0 and 0.9 systems don't have Rat spawns on asteroid belts.
0.8 and lower has.
To OP:
1.) Are you sure it was 0.9, if it was lower it could be belt rats.
2.) Are you sure it wasn't another player shooting you (also possible).
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Tiste Khatru
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.27 19:18:00 -
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Thanks for the replies, everyone!
I'm assuming I need to be in game to see the combat log, correct? I'm at work now, but I'll check it in a couple hours when I get home.
And yes, it was a very quick death. I had time to read something like "So-and-so's missile missed you completely" and then before I could figure out what was happening I was dead. I had no problem at all with the early NPCs I fought in the tutorials, so I assumed this was a player that killed me. |
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J'Poll
KIngs of the Underground Side Effect.
561
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Posted - 2012.11.27 19:23:00 -
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Tiste Khatru wrote:Thanks for the replies, everyone!
I'm assuming I need to be in game to see the combat log, correct? I'm at work now, but I'll check it in a couple hours when I get home.
And yes, it was a very quick death. I had time to read something like "So-and-so's missile missed you completely" and then before I could figure out what was happening I was dead. I had no problem at all with the early NPCs I fought in the tutorials, so I assumed this was a player that killed me.
Yes you have to be in game to show your combat logs.
If it was another player, your loss hasn't been posted on EVE-kill yet. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1158
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Posted - 2012.11.27 19:33:00 -
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I can't find the OP on any killboard (yet). Either it wasn't a player or the kills just haven't been posted. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.27 20:24:00 -
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Geez, I am on a really bad streak of being wrong today. Sorry, all.
The lack of killboard posts for the loss, plus the near-instant death (plus 0.9 sec) indicates CONCORD. OP, make sure you didn't try to use actual guns on the asteroid. That is a crime punishable by getting blown up by the police.
I'm going to stop here before I say something more silly. ISD LackOfFaith Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3730
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Posted - 2012.11.27 20:25:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Geez, I am on a really bad streak of being wrong today. Sorry, all. The lack of killboard posts for the loss, plus the near-instant death (plus 0.9 sec) indicates CONCORD. OP, make sure you didn't try to use actual guns on the asteroid. That is a crime punishable by getting blown up by the police. I'm going to stop here before I say something more silly.
Go on.... "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.27 20:27:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Go on.... The Reaper is a good and competitive PvP ship. ISD LackOfFaith Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2012.11.27 20:58:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:OP, make sure you didn't try to use actual guns on the asteroid. That is a crime punishable by getting blown up by the police.
Concord. Protecting poor, defenceless asteroids from unwarranted violence...
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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:16:00 -
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Okay it was me! Sorry gaw! |
Tiste Khatru
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.27 22:22:00 -
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Ok, here's my combat log from last night:
2012.11.27 06:10:00
Victim: Tiste Khatru Corp: Science and Trade Institute Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Ibis System: Ekura Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 517
Involved parties:
Name: Romi Thalamus / True Power (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 517
Destroyed items:
Miner I Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 166
Dropped items:
Small Shield Booster I Light Electron Blaster I
2012.11.27 06:04:00
Victim: Tiste Khatru Corp: Science and Trade Institute Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Bantam System: Ekura Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 550
Involved parties:
Name: Eystur Rhomben / True Power (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 550
Dropped items:
Miner I Miner I
So, was that two different players from the same corporation that killed me? |
Matalino
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Posted - 2012.11.27 22:35:00 -
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Tiste Khatru wrote:So, was that two different players from the same corporation that killed me? Still not entirely certain. Both of those characters still have 0.0 security status, which indicates that it probably was not a suicide attack. Also, neither of those characters are in True Power. True Power is the NPC corp for Sansha's Nation.
There is an active incursion taking place in Ekura. While 0.9 security systems do not normally have belt rats, during an incursion they might. Therefore I suspect that you were killed by some incursion rats. The other likely possibity is that those players might have tricked you into taking ore from their jet cans, then killed you. |
Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1498
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Posted - 2012.11.27 22:36:00 -
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Oh hahhahahaha
How could we have not thought of this!?
It was an incursion.
You tried to mine in a system that was currently under siege by the Sansha. You should have seen the system was a eerie green, and a big system control status on the left. When the Sansha do an incursion they take over an entire constellation and attack with much stronger and smarter NPCs than normally found in belts or missions. They override the rule that rats dont spawn in 0.9 or 1.0 systems an essentially render all belts in the effected systems unmineable. In lowsec they even camp the stargates.
Fun fact: Before Incursions came out as a game feature there were several live events where sansha invaded a few key systems and abducted millions of people from the planets. They were integrated to be more Sansha cyborgs and the NPCs you see in Incursions have names that correspond with the system their crew was abducted from.
You can see videos of these invasions on youtube (try the invasion of Deltole) as well as watch the Incursion trailer and a CIDA video profile on Sansha Kuvakei. leader of the Sansha The Drake is a Lie |
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Tiste Khatru
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.27 22:46:00 -
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Ah, well that explains it (somewhat). I had read enough to know to be careful with jet cans and such, and haven't even messed with them yet. I did notice the notification in the top left about an incursion, but had (and pretty much still have) no idea what that really means.
So basically a group of NPCs was attacking the system I was in, and wasn't happy with me mining their asteroids?
Lesson here: avoid incursions for now?
Thanks again for all the input.
I'm thinking a good next step for me would be to join a training corporation. Would something like Eve University be a wise idea? |
Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1498
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Posted - 2012.11.27 22:54:00 -
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Certainly, but just asking questions here or in-game help chat works too :D
Make sure to try the links I edited in to my last post, give you an idea of the scale and backstory. The Drake is a Lie |
J'Poll
KIngs of the Underground Side Effect.
563
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Posted - 2012.11.27 23:16:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Oh hahhahahaha How could we have not thought of this!? It was an incursion. You tried to mine in a system that was currently under siege by the Sansha. You should have seen the system was a eerie green, and a big system control status on the left. When the Sansha do an incursion they take over an entire constellation and attack with much stronger and smarter NPCs than normally found in belts or missions. They override the rule that rats dont spawn in 0.9 or 1.0 systems an essentially render all belts in the effected systems unmineable. In lowsec they even camp the stargates. Fun fact: Before Incursions came out as a game feature there were several live events where sansha invaded a few key systems and abducted millions of people from the planets. They were integrated to be more Sansha cyborgs and the NPCs you see in Incursions have names that correspond with the system their crew was abducted from. You can see videos of these invasions on youtube (try the invasion of Deltole) as well as watch the Incursion trailer and a CIDA video profile on Sansha Kuvakei, leader of the Sansha
Stupid US (older players) for not thinking about Incursions.
Which indeed was the case and also why there were belt rats in a 0.9 systems.
HOWEVER
Xer...Even if he did spot the more green looking backgrounds, or the Incursion chat, or the Incursion siege bar.
He is a new player, so he wouldn't know what it all means, let alone what an incursion is. Which is what got him killed (kind of).
He know knows and great advice here.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
KIngs of the Underground Side Effect.
563
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Posted - 2012.11.27 23:20:00 -
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Tiste Khatru wrote:Ah, well that explains it (somewhat). I had read enough to know to be careful with jet cans and such, and haven't even messed with them yet. I did notice the notification in the top left about an incursion, but had (and pretty much still have) no idea what that really means.
So basically a group of NPCs was attacking the system I was in, and wasn't happy with me mining their asteroids?
Lesson here: avoid incursions for now?
Thanks again for all the input.
I'm thinking a good next step for me would be to join a training corporation. Would something like Eve University be a wise idea?
General: E-Uni is good.
Personally: I would stay away from E-Uni and look for a smaller group of players that are new player friendly and willing to teach you the game. Why: Because EVE Uni has a huge amount of players joining so there can be a waiting queue to get in, they have a good amount of rules about what you can and can't do (specially during wars), cause they are big, they tend to attract the wrong type of players too (awoxers) and most importantly, they are big which means less personal interaction. I would rather be in a smaller corp that doesn't take on new players in big numbers but rather takes on a couple and have quality over quantity in the methods. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Lyric Lahnder
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
118
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Posted - 2012.11.28 14:36:00 -
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Eaten by sanshas... Ouch. Tough luck bro.
How many jumps out from your career agents were you? Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.comI Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
694
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:42:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Oh hahhahahaha How could we have not thought of this!? It was an incursion. You tried to mine in a system that was currently under siege by the Sansha. You should have seen the system was a eerie green, and a big system control status on the left. When the Sansha do an incursion they take over an entire constellation and attack with much stronger and smarter NPCs than normally found in belts or missions. They override the rule that rats dont spawn in 0.9 or 1.0 systems an essentially render all belts in the effected systems unmineable. In lowsec they even camp the stargates. Fun fact: Before Incursions came out as a game feature there were several live events where sansha invaded a few key systems and abducted millions of people from the planets. They were integrated to be more Sansha cyborgs and the NPCs you see in Incursions have names that correspond with the system their crew was abducted from. You can see videos of these invasions on youtube (try the invasion of Deltole) as well as watch the Incursion trailer and a CIDA video profile on Sansha Kuvakei, leader of the Sansha
Newbie Frigate Explosions for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Master Sansha. |
Malcom Hebert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:58:00 -
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Add me to the list of new players who wandered into an Incursion without knowing enough about them.
I ran a courier mission to Halle and saw the warning info about an Incursion but did not understand the possibilities. I picked up a mining mission that I thought would be a quick & easy task in the same system. I warped to an asteroid belt and was 1-shotted by a Sansha BS while changing to a mining Overview tab. Scratch one Thrasher I hung around in my capsule long enough to grasp what happened then ran for safety [I should have done that faster. The shot might have come from a player who wanted to add a pod to the kill list].
This thread and the posts in it have helped me understand what happened. I did not know about the combat/losses info in the player window. So some good has come from a bad surprise . I have spent some time reviewing what I found in the losses log. I had forgotten one of them [you know you are a newb when you can still remember almost all the ships you have lost].
I put my plans to get a cruiser on hold as I replace my destroyer and fit it. I took the opportunity to try an Amarr ship, a Coercer. So far I am liking it, especially the sleek look.
And now, back to another day in the neighborhood |
J'Poll
KIngs of the Underground Side Effect.
566
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:17:00 -
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To give you new players some satisfaction, it's not only the new players who don't understand Incursion mechanics.
A while back (early 2012) I was in null-sec and we were deployed in the Russian Civil War.
We had the task to flip a station to our owner ship. The issue was, the system where the station was in was under Incursion control (means no capitals can be used but also means a lot of hard rats on gates).
I was already in system couple of days prior to scout stuff etc. So then the day of shooting came, and Drake after Drake jumped the gate solo, together with stealth bombers and tier 3's. Cause they all came in on their own, each and every single one got scrammed by the Gate rats and was turned into space junk pretty soon after.
So, you new players aren't the only ones who can be surprised by Incursion rats. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Malcom Hebert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:23:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:TI was already in system couple of days prior to scout stuff etc. So then the day of shooting came, and Drake after Drake jumped the gate solo, together with stealth bombers and tier 3's. Cause they all came in on their own, each and every single one got scrammed by the Gate rats and was turned into space junk pretty soon after.
So, you new players aren't the only ones who can be surprised by Incursion rats.
Eve is a harsh mistress |
J'Poll
KIngs of the Underground Side Effect.
566
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:26:00 -
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Malcom Hebert wrote:J'Poll wrote:I was already in system couple of days prior to scout stuff etc. So then the day of shooting came, and Drake after Drake jumped the gate solo, together with stealth bombers and tier 3's. Cause they all came in on their own, each and every single one got scrammed by the Gate rats and was turned into space junk pretty soon after.
So, you new players aren't the only ones who can be surprised by Incursion rats. Eve is a harsh mistress
Indeed.
The fun part about it was just that I was sitting cloaked off a gate and warned them MULTIPLE times about the Incursion + scramming rats etc.
But was just one chain of lemmings all jumping into their death. So after couple of warnings, I gave up and just sat there and laughed with each ship going down Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
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