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blo0d m0on
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.22 02:49:00 -
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I'm a new player, started right after retribution came out. Overall I think it's a fantastic game. It really shows that it's been worked on for years. There are so many features it looks like a dozen game put into one. Everything feels like its been thoroughly thought out and carefully balanced.
But that only makes it all the more infuriating to have my framerate killed by these clouds which, according to the forums, have been a problem for ages.
I must admit I have a very old computer, but it runs everything else in the game just fine. I shouldn't have to buy a high end graphic card only because this small chunk of poorly written code.
Devs, you need to stop doing your QA on top of the line machines and realize this is a major issue. Get yourself a 8600GT, a deadspace that looks like the level designer was testing how many random ***** could be crammed in (including way too many clouds ofc), zoom all the way in and try to fly a speed tanking frigate among the debris with the frame (<- singular) per second you get. That's what you deserve for still not having an option to turn the clouds off. |
MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
115
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:09:00 -
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Things have improved massively in recent years, and with the way things are going they likely will again.
CCP is working on setting this game up for the next 10 years, testing things on a gfx card that is nearly 6 years old, and even then wad only mid range is very counter productive. The majority of people have more modern card, and I would expect that is what they test their software too. |
Tiger Armani
Mialto Corp The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:14:00 -
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MainDrain wrote:Things have improved massively in recent years, and with the way things are going they likely will again.
CCP is working on setting this game up for the next 10 years, testing things on a gfx card that is nearly 6 years old, and even then wad only mid range is very counter productive. The majority of people have more modern card, and I would expect that is what they test their software too.
Well, they could easily give us the easy solution for these graphical problems. Give us option to disable drawing these objects (clouds, wh effects etc.)
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MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
115
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:23:00 -
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Tiger Armani wrote:MainDrain wrote:Things have improved massively in recent years, and with the way things are going they likely will again.
CCP is working on setting this game up for the next 10 years, testing things on a gfx card that is nearly 6 years old, and even then wad only mid range is very counter productive. The majority of people have more modern card, and I would expect that is what they test their software too. Well, they could easily give us the easy solution for these graphical problems. Give us option to disable drawing these objects (clouds, wh effects etc.)
But looking at the steam hardware survey (generally an accurate metric to go by) almost 50% of users have a direct 11 capable graphics card. I dont think its worth the hours and expense in introducing this option, man hours that could be much better spent on either reducing the impact the clouds (and other effects) have or iterating/developing content for the rest of the game.
Regarding owners of low end graphics cards (i.e the 8600GT mentioned) you can purchase much more suitable graphics cards to run Eve and anything else you want for relatively low cost . -ú50 will get you one that will massively improve your experience.
Edit - for reference i do not have a super high end card, the clouds etc do impact me in terms of FPS, but in those situations I just turn down the graphics settings to minimise the impact. |
steffijade d'vaper
DBCI C0LD Fusion
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:25:00 -
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I've actually had my computer shut down through overheating of the gpu when zoomed in at a cloud heavy location a few times.
Yes, it's not a top end build...quad core AMD cpu, 8gb ram and single hd 7770 but it runs rest of the game pretty well.
After the latest crash, I decided to actually go for it and do a new build (been saving some cash for a build and this actually pushed me to order the bits...waiting for em to be delivered).
The thing is, in difficult economic times, not everyone actually has cash to spend on upgrades... especially if the rest of the game runs fine.
It would be nice to have an option to turn clouds off if at all possible. |
MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
115
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:27:00 -
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steffijade d'vaper wrote:I've actually had my computer shut down through overheating of the gpu when zoomed in at a cloud heavy location a few times.
Yes, it's not a top end build...quad core AMD cpu, 8gb ram and single hd 7770 but it runs rest of the game pretty well.
After the latest crash, I decided to actually go for it and do a new build (been saving some cash for a build and this actually pushed me to order the bits...waiting for em to be delivered).
The thing is, in difficult economic times, not everyone actually has cash to spend on upgrades... especially if the rest of the game runs fine.
It would be nice to have an option to turn clouds off if at all possible.
Sounds like you need to clean your graphics card fan :P |
blo0d m0on
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.22 17:24:00 -
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I don't understand why anyone would lobby against this.
If the code is efficient and organized, they could probably add the on/off option in a matter of hours, but for some reason I expect it to be a huge mess. If they want to keep on working on this game for the next decade, they should start by cleaning up. That would make any other modifications or new features around that code easier. I can't imagine stuff like say floating debris moving and colliding with each other while still struggling with the clouds.
Anyway it's up to them to decide if its worth it. I'm just saying that it annoys me to no end. And no, I'm not going to buy a new card because apparently everyone has this problem and buying a machine capable of running the rest of the game at 200+ fps so you don't notice the 80% fps drop in deadspace is just plain silly. |
jimbolina
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:11:00 -
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blo0d m0on wrote:I don't understand why anyone would lobby against this.
If the code is efficient and organized, they could probably add the on/off option in a matter of hours, but for some reason I expect it to be a huge mess. If they want to keep on working on this game for the next decade, they should start by cleaning up. That would make any other modifications or new features around that code easier. I can't imagine stuff like say floating debris moving and colliding with each other while still struggling with the clouds.
Anyway it's up to them to decide if its worth it. I'm just saying that it annoys me to no end. And no, I'm not going to buy a new card because apparently everyone has this problem and buying a machine capable of running the rest of the game at 200+ fps so you don't notice the 80% fps drop in deadspace is just plain silly.
those are CCP alts, no sane person would be against magic button saying 'turn off clouds'. |
Zhu Ithin
Wings of Death
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:34:00 -
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Started to play Eve before a few months, all in all this is a wonderfull game with thousands of options, but one option i do miss very hard !
Give us the option to deactivate those damn clouds, the game is far too wonderfull to reduce the graphic options because they are just everywhere. And think about it! A object which is created to increase the good looking of the game, forces us to decrease the graphic options, what kind of a joke is this ?
Say yes to the "No Clouds" button |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.09 06:11:00 -
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as always the basic answer is no.
File a petition? really?
it is every single cloud instance.
not one or two. its every damn one. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Frozen Eddie Johnson
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:15:00 -
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Good to see CCP STILL hasn't returned to this thread. Still as bad as ever, and yes, it is EVERY DAMN CLOUD. Filing a petition listing specific ones, lol. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.03.04 01:58:00 -
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The lovely big green clouds in "Break Their Will" (all versions) slow all my machines down. My old workhorse 17" iMac with X1600 (no longer officially supported, but it mostly works) slows down to about 3fps regardless of how far I zoom out. This impacts the entire machine, so I can't go writing up my new super-duper market manipulation web site while I'm mining.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1625
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Posted - 2013.03.04 18:55:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:... team Trilambda ... That made me chuckle. |
The Renner
Canadian Operations Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 23:20:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:as always the basic answer is no.
File a petition? really?
it is every single cloud instance.
not one or two. its every damn one.
QFT
I noticed CCP removed the cloud in forsaken rally points, yet the forsaken hub cloud still exists. CCP please burn that one with fire as well, thanks. |
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:11:00 -
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I found this electric cloud in Gravi site and it hurt my Retriever. I want it GONE |
Jexx Destromath
Reckless Abandon Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 15:00:00 -
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+1 for cloud removal. It sucks to be forced to zoom out completely when running some missions/plexes because of the FPS destroying clouds. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.03.23 17:45:00 -
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Ember Klahan wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:You don't want to know what happens when I accidentally click "look at" instead of "lock target", which happens far to regularly.
I'd like to recommend control-clicking. DSpite Culhach wrote:Is the actual complaint:
* They are ugly? * They cause lag? * They are too bright?
... cause my main issue is brightness. Having entire sections of my screen with pixels letting the backlight through feels like being exposed to the Time Vortex in the center of the Tardis. Sure it might make you omnipotent for a while, but then it kills you. Making your dead alt immortal negates the problem. There's also a bug where kissing doctors in CQ removes the omnipotency effect and with it the impending doom. The server regenerates the doctor afterwards, and many people like the new one better, so all is well.
I see what you did there! LOL!
When CCP doesn't respond, I like to think they are off fighting evil. In another dimension!!
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Olivia Moist
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:10:00 -
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any word out there CCP gonna give us the option to remove clouds? i'd say give us the choice for people who can suffer FPS drops and for people who want pure perfomance. |
MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
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Posted - 2013.03.24 17:30:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Just to add a couple of little bits of info to this. Team Trilambda's aim was to refactor the cloud system so that in the future they could work with it easier and be able to progress that system technically. Meaning newer effects, more awesome looking clouds, and a lot of other surprises there. Maybe you'll see something at Fanfest. Of course the benefits of refactoring, included increased performance gains. Not only the cloud system, but they also managed to alter performance hits for a lot of other areas in the game's graphic engine too. You know those spotlights on some ships? Those used to be pretty expensive in terms of performance, now less so!
That comment from back in November may give people some hope, it looks like there will be something appearing about this at fanfest.
For the record im still against the on/off button
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Untanas Volmyr
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:38:00 -
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I heard about the perils of cloud lag and never experienced it on my last custom built PC. Perhaps it was the 4000ish cuda cores on the gtx 680 I had. Everything flowed beutifully. Sadly. I had to sell that machine to feed my thousand dollar a day fabrige' egg habit. However. My Asus laptop is able to run Eve on high almost as beutifully minus anti aliasing. Just the other day I finally came across some huge cloud pockets and debri fields and finally noticed the lag. Still playable though. Laptop has NVIDIA 630m in it for video and dx 11. |
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Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
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Posted - 2013.03.27 11:20:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Good news - team Trilambda have worked on the clouds for retribution and they will no longer have the same framerate hit they did before. I have also worked on reducing cloud numbers in dungeons... let's see how this helps things out and we can always take another look next release if things aren't improved.
OH THANK GOD - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU |
Sarmatiko
990
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:52:00 -
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Zoe Alarhun wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:Good news - team Trilambda have worked on the clouds for retribution and they will no longer have the same framerate hit they did before. I have also worked on reducing cloud numbers in dungeons... let's see how this helps things out and we can always take another look next release if things aren't improved. OH THANK GOD - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU Please next time before making happy post written in caps, check the date of post you are quoting. It was written back in November and those changes actually fixed nothing in performance.
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:03:00 -
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I've noticed less choppy since Ret, but it's still there. I much prefer smooth flying over awesome visuals.
Please tweak (axe) more? GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ ...end transmission... |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
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Posted - 2013.03.28 18:47:00 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:I've noticed less choppy since Ret, but it's still there. I much prefer smooth flying over awesome visuals.
Please tweak (axe) more?
I'd prefer no clouds personally, but since the option to turn off clouds hasn't happened yet, I hold no hope of it happening in the near future. |
Frozen Eddie Johnson
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
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Posted - 2013.03.30 02:18:00 -
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Many of the Retribution-tweaked clouds are downright fugly, yet still cause a major performance hit. For extra laughs, zoom out a bit in Blood Raider Blockade (one of the worst for clouds); it looks like something that would be rendered by a Nintendo 64. They look that bad. |
Yuwee Vesa
Madz Legion Madz Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.31 16:34:00 -
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Just add the option to turn clouds off completely... That way while your working on improving the performance for the next 5 years people can still have decent fps. |
Vaporize
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.10 00:51:00 -
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I agree FOG / CLOUD code sucks you havent fixed in it years, and this is another issue. My 580 video card spins up into overdrive mode every time I am in a plex with fog or a cloud if it is in view. and it is drawing more power and creating more heat in my system for no reason. Give US an option to disable this "feature" that hurts the frame rate, costs us extra money while playing and doesn't even look that good.
I have to turn the camera way from the fog every plex, annom I do just so I can hear people on voice.
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Caldareg
Travel and learn together Prospectors Special
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:12:00 -
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I'm not sure if clouds what's really causes fps drop. For example I have about same fps drop when I zoom-in on cruise missile explosion. That might explain why it takes so long to fix this problem. Might be just a coincidence though.
Anyway, that fps issue is annoying since I have to change my graphics settings or zoom-out/turn camera while the rest of the game works just fine. |
Tzeentch Aubaris
Changer of Ways
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:39:00 -
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Caldareg wrote:I'm not sure if clouds what's really causes fps drop. For example I have about same fps drop when I zoom-in on cruise missile explosion. That might explain why it takes so long to fix this problem. Might be just a coincidence though.
Anyway, that fps issue is annoying since I have to change my graphics settings or zoom-out/turn camera while the rest of the game works just fine.
The couse is simple: they don't worry about it and do nothing |
2manno Asp
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2013.04.13 03:28:00 -
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clouds are annoying, they make my gfx card run hot, sometimes i dc.
and they're still glitched. i get white screens all the time.
just get rid of clouds. |
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