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Jaenelle SaDiablo
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 04:33:00 -
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Malcolm Rennolds wrote:I see several situations where bumping is featured in EvE.
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3: Bumping miners. If you're at your computer being bumped is a manner of manually piloting to weaken them bump and you can likely keep yourself in range of your mining lasers without to much trouble. If you're afk, you're engaging in a playstyle that CCP shouldn't make easier, or support, so who cares what happens to you? Bumping active miners, aka new order bumpers, is part of the kind of crazy emergent game play that makes eve awesome. Don't get me wrong, I hate then new order. It's funny, but I have an ice mining alt and don't see why I should pay 10m isk to someone just so that they don't fly their ship into mine. Here's the thing. It's eve. You make your own fun, oftentimes at the expense of others. With the bounty changes on Dec 4th there will be a great way to punish the new order.
this is completely inaccurate in regards to being at your keyboard meaning you can avoid it. I recently went ice mining in kamio in a mac and a wonderful man who evemailed me his terrorist demands of 10 mil isk flew around in a ship with a micro warp drive that bumped me over 10km per bum sometimes more. I literally count not complete a single cycle with the distance he was able to bump. I personally think a system of anchoring would be handy. all things should have a way to counter it or at least a cost associated with it. after about 20 minutes of harrassment I had 2 options, go somewhere else to mine ice or log out and play another day as there was no recourse to be had. |
Alana Charen-Teng
Let's Just Be Friends
30
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Posted - 2012.12.01 05:08:00 -
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Jaenelle SaDiablo wrote:Malcolm Rennolds wrote:I see several situations where bumping is featured in EvE.
Edit: Rule 24 Off topic posting is prohibited - ISD Tyrozan
3: Bumping miners. If you're at your computer being bumped is a manner of manually piloting to weaken them bump and you can likely keep yourself in range of your mining lasers without to much trouble. If you're afk, you're engaging in a playstyle that CCP shouldn't make easier, or support, so who cares what happens to you? Bumping active miners, aka new order bumpers, is part of the kind of crazy emergent game play that makes eve awesome. Don't get me wrong, I hate then new order. It's funny, but I have an ice mining alt and don't see why I should pay 10m isk to someone just so that they don't fly their ship into mine. Here's the thing. It's eve. You make your own fun, oftentimes at the expense of others. With the bounty changes on Dec 4th there will be a great way to punish the new order. this is completely inaccurate in regards to being at your keyboard meaning you can avoid it. I recently went ice mining in kamio in a mac and a wonderful man who evemailed me his terrorist demands of 10 mil isk flew around in a ship with a micro warp drive that bumped me over 10km per bum sometimes more. I literally count not complete a single cycle with the distance he was able to bump. I personally think a system of anchoring would be handy. all things should have a way to counter it or at least a cost associated with it. after about 20 minutes of harrassment I had 2 options, go somewhere else to mine ice or log out and play another day as there was no recourse to be had.
Have you tried employing any of the strategies listed on the Proveldtariat blog (which I listed several pages back in this thread)? Or did you just sit around and prematurely (and inaccurately) conclude that there are no effective counters to bumping... |
Katsu Masanori
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.12.01 05:10:00 -
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Having used bumping against some who have harrassed me in the asteroid belts and some who have ninja salvaged my missions I find it allows some to express their anger at the harrasser and the ninja slavager.
No harm is done to that harrasser's ship and so therefore this game mechanic should be allowed to continue especiallly in light of the new update that allows players to put bounties on anyone at any time. |
Von Kroll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 05:10:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Von Kroll wrote:Which is why i said that the 15minute timer for aggression that is put on a player because someone else points him and he doesn't actually make any aggression should be considered for removal from HIGH SEC because there are no super caps in high sec therefore I don't think the this one agression timer is needed in high sec as it is only used by goons for freighter ganking.
It wasn't just supercaps that were doing this. People were doing it in subcaps aswell. And no, lots of people make use of this mechanic. The number of PvP ship kills in highsec rose quite abit once this was implemented, because people could no longer avoid death by logging off.
well if you can't gank someone before they can log off then you don't deserve the kill.. thats why it's called suicide ganking. Also i doubt there were many sub cap pilots who's tank can last the 15minutes, because before the rule there was still aggression timers it was just that if you lasted 15minutes you're ship disappeared. I highly doubt a supcap can preform such a feat, unless being attacked by a new frig pilot with no skills.
since a null and low sec rule was applied to all of eve because super caps were too tanky to be killed in 15minutes, then i propose that freighters be given the chance to defend themselves. If the 15 minute timer where someone points you and it means you aggressed stands (although i still strongly advised it be looked at for removal from high sec) Then why not give freighter two lows and two mids and two highs and 3 rig slots so that they can choose for more hold/damage control for tank capital shield mods or inertia stabalizers to warp faster or warp core staballizers. If the ship is going to be subject to a rule meant for super caps then it should be able to tank itself and provide counter measures. A freighter is as big as a cap so it should be able to fit itself for defense since it is subject to a rule put in for super caps. Or have choice for larger hold this would make the gank worth more if someone doesn't defend themselves or gives the freighter pilot a chance to fit i stabs so it has the chance to warp away before the next bump. Or don't let them bump indefinitely like i said the fact that with current game mechanics you can bump a freighter pilot indefinitely is completely ridiculous. So to review my ideas for discussion is, 1 remove aggression timer that a aggresses a player who didn't actually make any aggression. 2. give the freighter pilots slots so that they can make a fit for defense or to optimize capacity or align time (basically give them same choices as other pilots). 3. program it so that after so many bumps a player is gcc'd and con-corded. |
G'monk
Naviar INC.
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 06:02:00 -
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I believe that this should be fairly simple to get rid of. Bumping for anything other than an accident is activities worthy of an adult or post teen playstyle. This gives a bad name to the game as a whole. Having said that, why should bothering someone just because you can be allowed without some repercussions? I believe that if the goofball wanting to bump someone cause they can wants to let him, then fine him immediately the value of the vehicle he is bumping. Bumping is not a playstyle, it is a way to bother another player. Accidents do happen, but that can be check by looking at the 5 seconds prior to the bump. Ice mining can have as many as 50 ships around the same ice asteroid, without bumping, so there is no reason to bump anyone. coming out of Jita, you are going to get bumped, makes sense. There is no reason for 2 miners to try to occupy the same space while mining or to cut someone off from mining. |
Kwi Noi
Proteon Dynamics
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 06:37:00 -
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This is just more of the 'gank' the miners and industrialists attitude since we are all 'carebears' and afk or robo miners.
CCP nerfs the Hulkageddon gankers - they've just re-emerged as alts who bump and plan to use the new destroyers upgrades to go back on the ganking trail.
I can say, to me, I think this is an exploit of the game mechanics, no one should be able to interfer in peaceful operations without some sort of penalty.
Extortion is a nasty business, is was a crime before we were cut off from earth, it's a crime now, imo.
Solution - make Concord respond faster. Enough said.
Many of us like the Industrial complex of EVE more than the blow stuff up part of it...if it keeps going downhill like this maybe I'll go play Star Citizen and see if it's any better... |
Sycotic Deninard
Polaris Breach Corp
25
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Posted - 2012.12.01 06:39:00 -
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Well perhaps CCP can introduce an anchor module that the miner can deploy that will make them immune to being bumped with a penalty of course
Some of the penalties can be:
While anchored, ship can't turn, move or warp away. Have a timer to un-anchor yourself before you can move, align or warp away say like 5-10 secs or so. While anchored, the amount being mined is reduced. |
Yasha Ekudram
Wandering Lost
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:16:00 -
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Thomas Gallant wrote:If you're trying to tackle griefing for the sake a griefing, without any goal of profit or revenge... You're taking on a very large and central part of high sec griefing, as from what I've seen, most griefers will willing take a small to even moderate loss to carry out their goals. I think what makes bumping a slightly different issue is that there is no cost with it. no ship loss, no sec hit, or anything in game done to discourage this.
There is a loss with it to clarify. The loss to the Miner from his/her beams breaking and for ICE miners this is a sever loss.
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Tusen Takk
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:22:00 -
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Eve Online has a large learning curve. Part of this learning curve is learning how to not die from stupid things, and to know when to log off until they just leave you alone. Don't like being bumped? there are all sorts of empty systems around Agil, go somewhere less populated, even if it is more inconvenient.
I, for one, do not feel that a game should be dumbed down after garnering a reputation as a game that takes a while to get used to, but is far more rewarding to play after that breaking in period compared to other MMO's (*cough*SWTOR*cough*). You have to adapt to survive, not run crying to mommy to make it better or you quit. |
Yasha Ekudram
Wandering Lost
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:24:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:If players feel they are being repeatedly harassed despite trying to avoid this practice by all necessary means, they are free and encouraged to file a petition. Also, I was wondering; you may be aware that the New Order currently penalises people who file petitions against us by raising the cost for their mining fee to 30 million ISK. When you 'encourage' them to open a petition, are you implying that we shouldn't be discouraging petitions?
I would think Discouraging a petition (out of game method of reaching "CUSTOMER SERVICE" is not withen the game scope and therefore should be a act require some sort of repercussion.
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Furry Pirate
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:30:00 -
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I've honestly tried to read all 18 pages of this stuff, so I'm just going to put in my two cents worth:
1. Miners are at the bottom of the "food chain" - it stinks, but if all the predators ate the herbivores, everybody dies. 2. Don't pay - simple. Remove the profit motive and they will actually have to come up with a plan that involves risk. 3. Put out secure cans or rookie ships as barriers - or just pump out a jet can with a bookmark every 3 minutes. 4. Make connections with miners in other corporations - they might offer you logistics, or just as eyes and ears. 5. (or) Go and do it to your competition, such as cheap industrials from the business and industry career paths.
Personally, I intend to go out bumping in my Abaddon and to force those who issue "mining permits" to either do something about it, refund the money to the people they have scammed, or lose face.
I suggest that all like minded people with battlecruisers and larger do to the same, especially to intimidate those who are preying on the miners - I like the minerals cheap, so my ships are cheaper to buy.
If you can shake them down in turn, their lame little scams isn't going to seem so appealing any more - especially when far more experienced and organized groups are so much better at it than they are. |
Tusen Takk
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:39:00 -
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See? It encourages creativity and teamwork, which as we all know based on previous updates and patches, CCP is very keen on these being a core part of the game. Why fix what isn't broken? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1244
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:52:00 -
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Furry Pirate wrote:I've honestly tried to read all 18 pages of this stuff, so I'm just going to put in my two cents worth:
1. Miners are at the bottom of the "food chain" - it stinks, but if all the predators ate the herbivores, everybody dies. 2. Don't pay - simple. Remove the profit motive and they will actually have to come up with a plan that involves risk. 3. Put out secure cans or rookie ships as barriers - or just pump out a jet can with a bookmark every 3 minutes. 4. Make connections with miners in other corporations - they might offer you logistics, or just as eyes and ears. 5. (or) Go and do it to your competition, using the cheap industrials from the business and industry career paths.
Personally, I intend to go out bumping in my Abaddon and to force those who issue "mining permits" to either do something about it, refund the money to the people they have scammed, or lose face.
I suggest that all like minded people with battlecruisers and larger do to the same, especially to intimidate those who are preying on the miners - I like the minerals cheap, so my ships are cheaper to buy.
If you can shake them down in turn, their lame little scams isn't going to seem so appealing any more - especially when far more experienced and organized groups are so much better at it than they are.
This guy gets it.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Preceptor Stigmartyr
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:54:00 -
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Tusen Takk wrote:See? It encourages creativity and teamwork, which as we all know based on previous updates and patches, CCP is very keen on these being a core part of the game. Why fix what isn't broken?
< / thread > 4/27-á NEVER FORGET-á-áa¦á_a¦á |
Shannae Darkehart
Seraphim Defense Systems LLC
2
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:04:00 -
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Larkall wrote:I think that the problem is not with bumping itself. In my opinion the problem lies with the mining mechanism, it is an activity that requires zero user input for extended periods of time. As a result, people go afk and do other stuff while leaving their lasers running in the belt. If anything should be changed it should be the basic mining mechanics that promotes players to be play the game afk.
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TL:DR: Bumping is a good and working mechanism. Fix mining instead.
I've never been a victim of, nor commited, this form of extortion, but I can tell you point blank that a lot of the people up in arms are mad because of the disparate loss investments for the encounter, and I think the cause of that disparity primarily revolves around the fact that the miner is usually AFK. Or if they're not AFK, they've tabbed out, because Mining doesn't require interaction.
So, they lose half an hour or more of mining time, to a bumper that probably only spent a minute to five on the deed. Everybody that I see complaining about it in the game, is complaining because of this.
If people had to actualy be at their keyboards to mine, they could dodge bumpers or otherwise bump back et cetera.
If you're not going to fix mining any time soon (which doesn't seem to be on the list), a band aid solution is to enable a bump warning sound effect. That way people who are tabbed out but not AFK will know what happened.
Other than that: I am a miner, bumping extortion is fine. Welcome to New Eden, man up or please kindly watch so that the door doesn't hit you in the ass on your way out. I'm sorry if you feel there's a legitimate reason for botting but there isn't and that's basically that. Not liking a game doesn't entitle you to cheat. Ever. At all. Enough with the moral equivalency please. ~CCP Sreegs |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5636
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:10:00 -
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The apparent need for this thread worries me: until last summer, CCP never went down the road of intentionally and knowingly enabling such hands-off, uninvolved gameplay. The effects of enabling this hands-off gameplay even further include 600M ISK PLEX and rock-bottom ice prices.
If it's simply based on the fact that people have been complaining openly about miner bumping, that concerns me greatly. Will the future of scamming in EVE be reviewed if enough attention is drawn to it on the forums? Will the future of corp heists and in-corp ganking be taken under review?
The situation with miner bumping is simple to avoid. There are thousands of hisec systems and if someone wishes to mine in a more convenient location, for say proximity to a market hub, it should not come with the expectation of complete safety, isolation from the actions of other players, much less the expectation that they should have the ability to perform that activity while only giving the game an few minutes of attention every hour. The New Order and their copycats have certainly been making quite a bit of noise around the forums, but their numbers are simply not at the point where the effect of their activities extends beyond a few isolated systems.
My opposition to the continuing simplification of the game, the compartmentalization of players and this seeming trend towards safety is simple. No game has undergone these kinds of changes and remained with even a shadow of its former glory. My fear, which cannot possibly be deemed unjustified, is that any decision from the GM team in this regard will essentially set a precedent that could conceivably lead to theft, scamming and betrayal - the possibilities in this game that make trust a valuable commodity - being prohibited.
It is also justifiable to state that I cannot help but feel that the "leave bumping alone" input in this thread will go ignored. This has been the case many times in the past. I find it deplorable that the very possibility that this thread merely exists for the sake of saying "there was a discussion" later on is not a distant one, and the conclusion of this issue was all but foregone at the point the thread was made. I do not wish to believe this, nor do I intend on stating this as a fact, but it is, in my mind, a possibility nonetheless.
I apologize if this post veers somewhat off-topic, but those are my feelings on this matter. I do not, however, apologize for my candor. That is all I will say regarding this matter. ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
Preceptor Stigmartyr
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:18:00 -
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Shannae Darkehart wrote:I am a miner, bumping extortion is fine. Welcome to New Eden, man up or please kindly watch so that the door doesn't hit you in the ass on your way out.
+1
If I understand the dilemma: Pirating requires intense effort, coordination and risk while miners complain about having to work for a living.
In addition to voluminous reading for the next week, I'd highly recommend that CCP get a first hand experience of what it takes to do our job.
It'll make you want to go back to mining. 4/27-á NEVER FORGET-á-áa¦á_a¦á |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:19:00 -
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Threads on the forums that lead to discussions like this always make me sad. As the threads are always just "Someone is doing something -I- don't like, and instead of countering them in-game, I'm going to come demand it's nerfed"
That being said, bumping is a mechanic that is relied-upon in the game for more than just killing freighters or ransoming miners. Bumping is something used in 0.0 and I'm assuming highsec/lowsec warfare to facilitate PVP. An enemy in a heavily tanked ship burning back to a gate to escape a camp, can be bumped away, forcing him to fight. Enemies on a station that are playing "Docking games" can be bumped off the station and killed where they can't dock up. And yes, it's used as a last-ditch to stop a supercap from warping. I've also seen it used in a spy-capacity to knock ships out of a POS, after getting the password. There are -tons- of uses for bumping besides ganking freighters or bumping miners, that most of the people making these threads don't even know about, because they're focused on their one little slice of Eve, and how they want it to be for -them- and not the game as a whole.
As CCP reads this thread, I hope you consider that any change to bumping mechanics, to make highsec a little more safer and PVP free, will also have a far-reaching effect on all PVP in any part of eve. Bumping is an essential tool for PVP, not just something to annoy miners.
I also hope you consider that there are a large number of ways to avoid being ganked in highsec and avoid being bumped. All of them require paying attention to the game, and effort on the part of the person being bumped. Removing a large part of a PVP encounter from the game, to make it easier for inattentive players to not die, isn't a good way to manage the game. |
Kathtrine
Wandering Lost
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:35:00 -
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SaKoil wrote:Perhaps we need a fresh point of view to this whole situation. CCP should consider this:
How to better reward hardworking individuals and organizations who create emergent, player-driven content? Goonfleet and James 315 are prime examples of players making Eve better for the playerbase, not even to mention some of their shenanigans can often be used straight up as marketing material for the game.
As many have testified, all systems this New Order has visited have transformed from silent graveyards to vibrant, living systems with active community.
I say the question is not "do we need to nerf bumping" but rather "how to encourage James 315 and his kin to continue breaking the dull monotony of script-driven playstyle and bringing life to highsec".
Some kind of official "Community Ambassador" tag would be great for these hard-working, selfless persons.
Ask not what CCP can do for you - ask what you can do for EVE
Goonswarm and its leader are not good examples of player leadership in eve.....James 315 and his crew are not either after careful review of some of their videos clearly to me shows actions that at best are rude and vulgar language in the local chat. A clear violation of the rules in the TOS. Do I need to quote the TOS? And do I need to remind the eve community of past actions of a certain Goon Leader?
(Related as its a response to comment related) |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:43:00 -
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Bumping is the purest, most honest form of physical tackling this game has to offer. New players can engage in this from day one, and learn the art that allows low and nullsec capital and super hunters keep ships tackled until their fleet has been notified.
If someone is bumping you every day repeatedly and following you around all day every day, then this is harassment, and it needs to be handled by GM's. If you are getting bumped before being ganked, that's just tough luck. If you are getting bumped and ransomed by some new player who's just trying to make a quick bit of isk, that's life.
Don't penalize or remove this form of play because a few lazy people don't want to deal with a valid game mechanic.
Kathtrine wrote:
Goonswarm and its leader are not good examples of player leadership in eve.....James 315 and his crew are not either after careful review of some of their videos clearly to me shows actions that at best are rude and vulgar language in the local chat. A clear violation of the rules in the TOS. Do I need to quote the TOS? And do I need to remind the eve community of past actions of a certain Goon Leader?
(Related as its a response to comment related)
Yet we do lead, pioneering new and creative play styles.
Grudges like this are flames and should be moderated from this active discussion. |
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Preceptor Stigmartyr
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:55:00 -
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Von Kroll wrote: if goons are defending anything that in and of itself because of their history says it needs to be changed. Anything goons defend is only good for goons and not for the greater community. The recent fw exploit is just the most recent one. They constantly find ways to exploit mechanics and never have the best intentions of this game in mind only padding their already massive eve wallets.
Just because goons understand the game better than most doesn't mean it's an exploit. Knowing "IS" half the battle.
Quote: Also if you make these changes they will still gank but they will just have to commit to the gank and use something more then catalyst.
Death by a thousand needles or one big spear is death all the same. Since we're moving the goal posts, why not ask CCP to make it a Titan?
Quote:Also i love that their argument is .. "just use a scout" yah cause we all have trillions of isk like goons and can afford multiple accounts like them.
It was many years before I even got a 2nd account that I could afford.. Most goons have the same financial challenges everyone else does. The Goon-1-Percenters aren't the only space rich in Eve making it hard to keep the Easy Button engaged. 4/27-á NEVER FORGET-á-áa¦á_a¦á |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
218
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:59:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Bumping is the purest, most honest form of physical tackling this game has to offer. New players can engage in this from day one, and learn the art that allows low and nullsec capital and super hunters keep ships tackled until their fleet has been notified.
If someone is bumping you every day repeatedly and following you around all day every day, then this is harassment, and it needs to be handled by GM's. If you are getting bumped before being ganked, that's just tough luck. If you are getting bumped and ransomed by some new player who's just trying to make a quick bit of isk, that's life.
Don't penalize or remove this form of play because a few lazy people don't want to deal with a valid game mechanic.
You forgot to mention the part about making sure a handful of players in bumping ships can't screw with miners rather than fixing the non-existent state of nullsec industry. Or moon goo. Or the fact that mining is terrible and boring to begin with. The horribly buggy state of the ship fitting tool. (Oh god please give us a working bulk fitting option) Or whatever else really. |
Adele Godel
The Spawning Pool Team Liquid
7
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:05:00 -
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Bumping is pretty obviously an agressive action, and should give aggro/suspect flags (outside of stations undocks probably)
The guy bumping a charon so it can be ganked is as much a part of the gank as the taloses |
Kathtrine
Wandering Lost
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:12:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Bumping is the purest, most honest form of physical tackling this game has to offer. New players can engage in this from day one, and learn the art that allows low and nullsec capital and super hunters keep ships tackled until their fleet has been notified. If someone is bumping you every day repeatedly and following you around all day every day, then this is harassment, and it needs to be handled by GM's. If you are getting bumped before being ganked, that's just tough luck. If you are getting bumped and ransomed by some new player who's just trying to make a quick bit of isk, that's life. Don't penalize or remove this form of play because a few lazy people don't want to deal with a valid game mechanic. Kathtrine wrote:
Goonswarm and its leader are not good examples of player leadership in eve.....James 315 and his crew are not either after careful review of some of their videos clearly to me shows actions that at best are rude and vulgar language in the local chat. A clear violation of the rules in the TOS. Do I need to quote the TOS? And do I need to remind the eve community of past actions of a certain Goon Leader?
(Related as its a response to comment related)
Yet we do lead, pioneering new and creative play styles. Grudges like this are flames and should be moderated from this active discussion.
Let me add as I could not because of a failed edit:
Further more as a Miner, Explorer, PVPer and more important CUSTOMER of CCP playing the game EVE online.
I pay good money to play on these servers.... and I love the mechanics.
I love bumping the competition off rock and breaking their beams. Helps keep the prices up.
Bumping is not the problem, the issue is more underling and is Social. Foul language and harassing players (read CUSTOMERS) by other players in local is a clearly unwanted action.
Keep it to the game. Don't like being bumped in where you are mining? Try somewhere else or fight them. That is EVE.
Have a problem with vulgar language in your local from the person bumping you? ... petition it.
They (James' crew, some rule they have previously quoted about taking out real petitions on Players in the game which should or is already against the rules) take it outside the game? There is a rule for that also already. CCP needs to enforce it.
Don't like it? (And this maybe and is the #1 reason why CCP as a Real WORLD corporation having bills and needing CUSTOMERS, is what is bringing up this issue) Take your money else ware.
Nial on the head? I have left this game before. Difference now is I am 4x the customer that I was 5 years ago. Will that stop me from leaving again? No. Its not game breaking.
GM's listen to the customer base. If the complaint violates the TOS then follow up and deal with the offender. If its a game mechanic.... that is part of the game.
As for you Miners.... STOP whining. You got your Buffs and the Gankers are tearing up because they can't bully you except for bumping. Oh and stop AFK mining. If you step away and get bumped... your fault.
Gankers cry some more. I love it!
CCP dont change the game mechanics, seems to me to be working just fine. But do tell them to watch their language in local. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:20:00 -
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Kathtrine wrote:
Let me add as I could not because of a failed edit:
Further more as a Miner, Explorer, PVPer and more important CUSTOMER of CCP playing the game EVE online.
I pay good money to play on these servers.... and I love the mechanics.
I love bumping the competition off rock and breaking their beams. Helps keep the prices up.
Bumping is not the problem, the issue is more underling and is Social. Foul language and harassing players (read CUSTOMERS) by other players in local is a clearly unwanted action.
Keep it to the game. Don't like being bumped in where you are mining? Try somewhere else or fight them. That is EVE.
Have a problem with vulgar language in your local from the person bumping you? ... petition it.
They (James' crew, some rule they have previously quoted about taking out real petitions on Players in the game which should or is already against the rules) take it outside the game? There is a rule for that also already. CCP needs to enforce it.
Don't like it? (And this maybe and is the #1 reason why CCP as a Real WORLD corporation having bills and needing CUSTOMERS, is what is bringing up this issue) Take your money else ware.
Nial on the head? I have left this game before. Difference now is I am 4x the customer that I was 5 years ago. Will that stop me from leaving again? No. Its not game breaking.
GM's listen to the customer base. If the complaint violates the TOS then follow up and deal with the offender. If its a game mechanic.... that is part of the game.
As for you Miners.... STOP whining. You got your Buffs and the Gankers are tearing up because they can't bully you except for bumping. Oh and stop AFK mining. If you step away and get bumped... your fault.
Gankers cry some more. I love it!
CCP dont change the game mechanics, seems to me to be working just fine. But do tell them to watch their language in local.
It's really hard for me to decipher what this post is even about really, but if people who bump miners annoy you that badly in local then I suggest liberal use of the ignore feature. Petition them if you're up for it, but the ignore feature is, in my opinion, absolutely vital for playing eve. |
Preceptor Stigmartyr
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:22:00 -
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Adele Godel wrote:Bumping is pretty obviously an agressive action, and should give aggro/suspect flags (outside of stations undocks probably)
The guy bumping a charon so it can be ganked is as much a part of the gank as the taloses
True and False.
Yes our bumpers get paid, but no they haven't agressed anything.
What you seem to be asking for is for agression, in which case ships that collide must transfer commensurate damage in the act. Now that would be cool. 4/27-á NEVER FORGET-á-áa¦á_a¦á |
Tong Lein
We Are Bad Men
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:24:00 -
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Personally I find bumping annoying, along the lines of the school yard bully stealing the fat kids lunch, but not the end of the world. I have/had 12 accounts, most PvP (super/titan..blablabla) with a miner or two thrown in. I have recently been subject to the New Order's bumping efforts and my counter was pretty simple, I logged off those accounts and have not logged them on for the past three weeks. One account has since expired.
I utilised mining to fund my modules and ships to PvP in, without that additional ISK Ill just downsize the number of accounts I have active. Doesn't affect the New Order, doesn't affect anyone else in Eve; just means CCP doesn't get my 12 x subs. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:25:00 -
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Kathtrine wrote:CCP dont change the game mechanics, seems to me to be working just fine. But do tell them to watch their language in local. It's already a given that GMs should punish people who mouth off in Local. They already do. That's not really the point of this thread.
Besides, I don't know how much time you spend in Abudban, but miners tend to be far more disgusting in terms of vocabularly than Agents of the New Order do.
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
377
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:28:00 -
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Adele Godel wrote:Bumping is pretty obviously an agressive action, and should give aggro/suspect flags (outside of stations undocks probably)
The guy bumping a charon so it can be ganked is as much a part of the gank as the taloses Its a physical tackle. You can bump people away from re-approaching the gate in low, null, highsec when trying to kill them before they reapproach, why can't someone bump a freighter for: ransom, gank setup, practice bumping for carriers/supers/titans?
If you aren't typing abusive things, it really doesn't keep them from logging off and disappearing. and then logging back in 10 minutes later when the bumper is gone. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:32:00 -
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Tong Lein wrote:Personally I find bumping annoying, along the lines of the school yard bully stealing the fat kids lunch, but not the end of the world. I have/had 12 accounts, most PvP (super/titan..blablabla) with a miner or two thrown in. I have recently been subject to the New Order's bumping efforts and my counter was pretty simple, I logged off those accounts and have not logged them on for the past three weeks. One account has since expired.
I utilised mining to fund my modules and ships to PvP in, without that additional ISK Ill just downsize the number of accounts I have active. Doesn't affect the New Order, doesn't affect anyone else in Eve; just means CCP doesn't get my 12 x subs.
Have you considered using the "Keep at range" button on the miner?
Now let me tell you about my ten accounts, all PvP (just subcaps, although I'm going to buy a bunch of dreads soonish). I've never encountered this new order before because I don't bother mining. I prefer nullsec-ratting for my income and manage to pull around 350m/hr on 8 accounts flying nagas with my absolutely terrible blaster skills. I have recently been subject to some guy afk camping my area so I just scouted ahead of my fleet and moved a constellation over. Crisis averted. |
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