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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:18:00 -
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For all the "it's up to CCP" rhetoric it bears mentioning that it was the CSM, not CCP, who made a promise to the community that they can't keep.
It seems that you gave us a completely unrealistic deadline that ignored common-sense (CCP being out of office over the holidays), ignored the experiences from previous years (this time everything is different) and didn't leave any room for error & delays.
But instead of taking responsibility for this planning failure you blame CCP. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1586
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:19:00 -
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Two step wrote:Updated, Hans finished the last session, and as he said, it is up to CCP now. Ok so they were not actually completed by the CSM on the 28th but actually on the 5th a week later.
Just trying to get this time scale in order.
With the summit completed on the 14th of December you are still way ahead of last times 2 months. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
110
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Posted - 2013.01.05 12:45:00 -
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I'd like to see the CSM get more realistic with their deadlines too, not because I think waiting 2-4 weeks for the minutes (If they are in roughly the same detail as last meet) is much, but because I think it speaks poorly of you and CCP to be unable to estimate how long it'd take to write and edit the minutes.
Apart from that, I'd like any CSM rep. to answer whether the list on the first page can be taken as an inkling of the general workload that has been done this past year?
My question is because only 9 members figure on that list, 4 members have not written a single thing, and Trebor (#1 writer with 8 sessions covered, 2x that of Hans #2) wrote ~34.8% of the sessions, while Trebor & Hans (#1 w. 8, #2 w. 4) has written more than 50% of the sessions (52.2 to be more precise).
Is that "show of force" comparable to what happens outside the specific case of CSM-minute-writing? |
None ofthe Above
410
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:40:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:I'd like to see the CSM get more realistic with their deadlines too, not because I think waiting 2-4 weeks for the minutes (If they are in roughly the same detail as last meet) is much, but because I think it speaks poorly of you and CCP to be unable to estimate how long it'd take to write and edit the minutes.
Apart from that, I'd like any CSM rep. to answer whether the list on the first page can be taken as an inkling of the general workload that has been done this past year?
My question is because only 9 members figure on that list, 4 members have not written a single thing, and Trebor (#1 writer with 8 sessions covered, 2x that of Hans #2) wrote ~34.8% of the sessions, while Trebor & Hans (#1 w. 8, #2 w. 4) has written more than 50% of the sessions (52.2 to be more precise).
Is that "show of force" comparable to what happens outside the specific case of CSM-minute-writing?
While you are right and have valid points, echoing my own sentiments even, this is not exactly what happened.
CSM identified a window of opportunity, January, and stated that they would like to try to get the minutes done before then or as soon as possible. It would actually be disingenuous to assert that they promised to complete by Jan 1. At least I don't recall them saying that. Its just that we tend to drop "try" in our memories. (Same thing happens in many work environments where preliminary ETAs become deadlines as soon as you give them.)
I think the CSM has the same interest that I do here, trying to maximize that window of opportunity. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
881
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:42:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:I'd like to see the CSM get more realistic with their deadlines too, not because I think waiting 2-4 weeks for the minutes (If they are in roughly the same detail as last meet) is much, but because I think it speaks poorly of you and CCP to be unable to estimate how long it'd take to write and edit the minutes.
Realistically, all this will do will lead to the abolition of any kind of time estimate from the CSM. They're unpaid consultants writing a document of indeterminate length that has to be independently reviewed by a foreign company before it can even be finalized and released; that's not a situation where highly accurate time estimates can even be reasonably expected.
Instead, the focus should be on making sure that we've been kept abreast of the process, something they've done a fine job at this time around. There's not much else you can expect from them until you descend into being straight-up unreasonable. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.01.05 20:44:00 -
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Snow Axe hits it on the head. Ya'll need to get your panties untwisted and shake out the sand.
Seleene wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The fact that some of your membership in the CSM have no idea why the staff economist at CCP should be consulted kind of says it all. He's not a Game Designer. He follows economic trends and makes lots of graphs and charts. He is not part of CCP's feature development process and never has been. On some issues, he and his ~people~ are quizzed about things and adjustments might be made based on the data requested, but YOU seem to be confused about the role of the good Doctor. Missed this gem though. They really ought to consult him from time to time. Economic impact of new features is important and should always be considered. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
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None ofthe Above
410
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Posted - 2013.01.05 21:26:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Seleene wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The fact that some of your membership in the CSM have no idea why the staff economist at CCP should be consulted kind of says it all. He's not a Game Designer. He follows economic trends and makes lots of graphs and charts. He is not part of CCP's feature development process and never has been. On some issues, he and his ~people~ are quizzed about things and adjustments might be made based on the data requested, but YOU seem to be confused about the role of the good Doctor. Missed this gem though. They really ought to consult him from time to time. Economic impact of new features is important and should always be considered.
So very true.
Honestly if he isn't a "stakeholder", he should be. Hate to take you away from your DUST514 bub, but there's forecasting to do. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3721
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Posted - 2013.01.05 22:12:00 -
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mynnna wrote: They really ought to consult him from time to time. Economic impact of new features is important and should always be considered.
Pretty sure that's what Seleene just said the teams do. He is a resource, a producer of information to be used by others. He can tell you the rate at which a ship is produced, and he can tell you how much something is being harvested, but he will never be someone who says "you should nerf mineral compression to slow supercap growth". Those kinds of legislative decisions are the responsibility of the game designers, and Eyjo respects that separation very heavily.
This is also why he is not a stakeholder. Stakeholders are by definition people that are primarily affected by a given release effort (product users, designers, marketing dept, upper management) and have something heavily at stake in which features are included and what they look like. And while the good doctor certainly plays EVE, whether a region gets ****ed up or a game system crumbles apart and becomes useless, none of that affects his ability to analyze data and report on it, which is what CCP pays him to do. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3721
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Posted - 2013.01.05 22:21:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote: Realistically, all this will do will lead to the abolition of any kind of time estimate from the CSM. They're unpaid consultants writing a document of indeterminate length that has to be independently reviewed by a foreign company before it can even be finalized and released; that's not a situation where highly accurate time estimates can even be reasonably expected.
This, a thousand times this.
You guys have done an excellent job of proving that no matter how much the CSM improves its work, whether its in the accuracy of the minutes or the rate at which they are produced, there will always be something complained about or that can be used to describe how we have "failed" at this or that.
I don't think anyone really struggles with understanding that it is the holiday season and that while the CSM can make a massive effort to complete our end in record time, and we can heartily encourage CCP to do the same, we cannot control them.
If you needed us to spoonfeed by building that understanding into our own time estimate because it isn't painfully obvious on its own, I dunno what to say.
The minutes will be out in time to be useful for the purposes of planning the future releases, that much I am 100% confident of. The players will not be suffering anything from this process other than a few weeks of frustrating impatience. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3721
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Posted - 2013.01.05 22:24:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Two step wrote:Updated, Hans finished the last session, and as he said, it is up to CCP now. Ok so they were not actually completed by the CSM on the 28th but actually on the 5th a week later.
Yeah, because I volunteered to take on a session CCP said that they would do themselves initially. Sweet Jesus talk about hairsplitting.
I don't know where we would be if we didn't have so many players working hard to HOLD US RESPONSIBLE. LOL.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3721
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Posted - 2013.01.05 22:27:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote: promise
....is a word that is a large part of player vocabulary, but rarely (if at all) part of CSM or CCP vocabulary.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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None ofthe Above
412
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Posted - 2013.01.05 23:02:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:mynnna wrote: They really ought to consult him from time to time. Economic impact of new features is important and should always be considered. Pretty sure that's what Seleene just said the teams do. He is a resource, a producer of information to be used by others. He can tell you the rate at which a ship is produced, and he can tell you how much something is being harvested, but he will never be someone who says "you should nerf mineral compression to slow supercap growth". Those kinds of legislative decisions are the responsibility of the game designers, and Eyjo respects that separation very heavily. This is also why he is not a stakeholder. Stakeholders are by definition people that are primarily affected by a given release effort (product users, designers, marketing dept, upper management) and have something heavily at stake in which features are included and what they look like. And while the good doctor certainly plays EVE, whether a region gets ****ed up or a game system crumbles apart and becomes useless, none of that affects his ability to analyze data and report on it, which is what CCP pays him to do.
I think that all is a good argument for him BEING a stakeholder. As the watchdog and guardian of the economy, he should be in the loop when, for example, two teams are doing something that both restrict mineral supply or some other high economic impact event.
Rather than have him doing post-mortems on "this is how you screwed up the economy", he could be suggesting changes that minimize the impact (and soon enough to get into the same release).
Isn't the economy a big enough part of eve to earn him a seat at the stakeholder's table? EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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None ofthe Above
412
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Posted - 2013.01.05 23:05:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Two step wrote:Updated, Hans finished the last session, and as he said, it is up to CCP now. Ok so they were not actually completed by the CSM on the 28th but actually on the 5th a week later. Yeah, because I volunteered to take on a session CCP said that they would do themselves initially. Sweet Jesus talk about hairsplitting. I don't know where we would be if we didn't have so many players working hard to HOLD US RESPONSIBLE. LOL.
I thought that might have been the case. Good job and thanks, m8. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3723
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Posted - 2013.01.05 23:15:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote: I think that all is a good argument for him BEING a stakeholder. As the watchdog and guardian of the economy, he should be in the loop when, for example, two teams are doing something that both restrict mineral supply or some other high economic impact event.
Rather than have him doing post-mortems on "this is how you screwed up the economy", he could be suggesting changes that minimize the impact (and soon enough to get into the same release).
Isn't the economy a big enough part of eve to earn him a seat at the stakeholder's table?
EVE is a game where screwing up the economy is part of the game. Eyjo is fairly indifferent to the game designer's value judgements on what is a "good" or "bad" market effect. Including Eyjo as part of the game design decision-making process is like inviting the court reporter to testify on behalf of a defendant's character.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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None ofthe Above
412
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Posted - 2013.01.06 00:06:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: I think that all is a good argument for him BEING a stakeholder. As the watchdog and guardian of the economy, he should be in the loop when, for example, two teams are doing something that both restrict mineral supply or some other high economic impact event.
Rather than have him doing post-mortems on "this is how you screwed up the economy", he could be suggesting changes that minimize the impact (and soon enough to get into the same release).
Isn't the economy a big enough part of eve to earn him a seat at the stakeholder's table? EVE is a game where screwing up the economy is part of the game. Eyjo is fairly indifferent to the game designer's value judgements on what is a "good" or "bad" market effect. Including Eyjo as part of the game design decision-making process is like inviting the court reporter to testify on behalf of a defendant's character.
Weeeell awesome. Lets remove all minerals in the next patch and enjoy how the messed up economy makes for a great game!
Sorry, I can't disagree with you enough here.
Sure economic changes can spur gameplay, but they do have to be careful how they impact the economy or they could seriously kill the game.
Like all other challenges, these should be designed and not happenstance. Although certainly emergant game play is an added bonus, but it should not break the engine of the economy.
Hopefully your viewpoint comes from the economy not being your thing. Starting to look forward to Mynnna (seriously three ns? Can't talk you into running as Corestwo?) being on the CSM. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.01.06 00:37:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: I think that all is a good argument for him BEING a stakeholder. As the watchdog and guardian of the economy, he should be in the loop when, for example, two teams are doing something that both restrict mineral supply or some other high economic impact event.
Rather than have him doing post-mortems on "this is how you screwed up the economy", he could be suggesting changes that minimize the impact (and soon enough to get into the same release).
Isn't the economy a big enough part of eve to earn him a seat at the stakeholder's table? EVE is a game where screwing up the economy is part of the game. Eyjo is fairly indifferent to the game designer's value judgements on what is a "good" or "bad" market effect. Including Eyjo as part of the game design decision-making process is like inviting the court reporter to testify on behalf of a defendant's character.
Screwing up the economy may be "part of the game" but that doesn't necessarily mean having CCP willingly (or more often, blindly) blowing huge gaping holes in it. See also FW farming and their very contrite post in which they went "whoops this is messing up the economy guys, soz ", for example.
None ofthe Above wrote:Hopefully your viewpoint comes from the economy not being your thing. Starting to look forward to Mynnna (seriously three ns? Can't talk you into running as Corestwo?) being on the CSM. Afraid not. Mynnna is who I write as on tm.com and it's who my largest single bloc of support will be most familiar with. Don't worry - I answer to Mynna as well, and come voting day you just have to click the appropriate button. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3723
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:50:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote: Weeeell awesome. Lets remove all minerals in the next patch and enjoy how the messed up economy makes for a great game!
Sorry, I can't disagree with you enough here.
Sure economic changes can spur gameplay, but they do have to be careful how they impact the economy or they could seriously kill the game.
Like all other challenges, these should be designed and not happenstance. Although certainly emergant game play is an added bonus, but it should not break the engine of the economy.
Hopefully your viewpoint comes from the economy not being your thing. Starting to look forward to Mynnna (seriously three ns? Can't talk you into running as Corestwo?) being on the CSM.
LOL. You're taking what I'm saying waaaaaay too literally. No one is saying "**** the economy". Regardless of what you think I know about economic issues, I was one of many that warned CCP about the farmability of FW. The problem is that even when an effect is predicted, its magnitude can't always be as well. CCP was well aware that something could happen along those lines, and the fact that they altered their release schedule because of an uncontrolled event shows pretty clearly that the economy is monitored and responded to.
I'm not at all advocating Eyjo and the design teams stay in locked, separate rooms like different genders at a Catholic school. Quite the opposite. You were simply asking about Eyjo and his role in the company, all I've been doing is explaining to you the way I've heard him talk about his job and responsbilities. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3723
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:56:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote: Starting to look forward to Mynnna (seriously three ns? Can't talk you into running as Corestwo?) being on the CSM.
Me too! We talk almost daily about the things going on in the game, and there's a lot all of us* can learn (and have learned) from his expertise. Just take what he says with a grain of salt, him being a dirty rotten Goon and all who is probably out to destroy your game, steal your wives, eat your babies, and play with your toys**.
*Players in general.
**Not necessarily in that order. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.01.06 02:11:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: Starting to look forward to Mynnna (seriously three ns? Can't talk you into running as Corestwo?) being on the CSM. Me too! We talk almost daily about the things going on in the game, and there's a lot all of us* can learn (and have learned) from his expertise. Just take what he says with a grain of salt, him being a dirty rotten Goon and all who is probably out to destroy your game, steal your wives, eat your babies, and play with your toys**. *Players in general. **Not necessarily in that order.
What kind of slander is this?
It's control your game, play with your wives, and break your toys. You can keep the babies, they taste bad and I don't want to take care of them.
Jeez, get it right. Worst CSM ever. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3723
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Posted - 2013.01.06 02:23:00 -
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mynnna wrote: What kind of slander is this?
You're right, you're right, I was being far too kind. I should have told them you wanted to play with their babies and eat their wives.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.01.06 02:24:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:mynnna wrote: What kind of slander is this? You're right, you're right, I was being far too kind. I should have told them you wanted to play with their babies and eat their wives.
Now you're just projecting. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3724
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Posted - 2013.01.06 02:26:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:mynnna wrote: What kind of slander is this? You're right, you're right, I was being far too kind. I should have told them you wanted to play with their babies and eat their wives. Now you're just projecting.
It's called..... "poetic license". Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2013.01.06 03:29:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:mynnna wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:mynnna wrote: What kind of slander is this? You're right, you're right, I was being far too kind. I should have told them you wanted to play with their babies and eat their wives. Now you're just projecting. It's called..... "poetic license". Maybe you should write a few more stanzas then. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
110
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Posted - 2013.01.06 03:37:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Snow Axe wrote: Realistically, all this will do will lead to the abolition of any kind of time estimate from the CSM. They're unpaid consultants writing a document of indeterminate length that has to be independently reviewed by a foreign company before it can even be finalized and released; that's not a situation where highly accurate time estimates can even be reasonably expected. This, a thousand times this. You guys have done an excellent job of proving that no matter how much the CSM improves its work, whether its in the accuracy of the minutes or the rate at which they are produced, there will always be something complained about or that can be used to describe how we have "failed" at this or that. I don't think anyone really struggles with understanding that it is the holiday season and that while the CSM can make a massive effort to complete our end in record time, and we can heartily encourage CCP to do the same, we cannot control them. If you needed us to spoonfeed by building that understanding into our own time estimate because it isn't painfully obvious on its own, I dunno what to say. The minutes will be out in time to be useful for the purposes of planning the future releases, that much I am 100% confident of. The players will not be suffering anything from this process other than a few weeks of frustrating impatience. I didn't think of it as a failure at all (Snow Axe quoted me above). If we're waiting roughly a week more for the minutes it has been a month in total, including those ~2 weeks of Icelandic holiday, I see no problem myself with such a timeline. What I said was that it reflects badly on you (The CSM) to aim for a too ambitious date without being able to keep it. Maybe that's petty, dunno, v0v. If it's petty, at least be happy that it's the worst being said.
I am sad that you didn't use the potential of my post to plug yourself. Bad politician, bad! (Speaking as former running-mate in a local election and election aide/tool in the upcoming, I can tell you that!)
No matter though, I feel pretty well represented on this years CSM. Hans might even get another vote next election, if he becomes a better politician! |
None ofthe Above
412
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Posted - 2013.01.06 03:59:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: Weeeell awesome. Lets remove all minerals in the next patch and enjoy how the messed up economy makes for a great game!
Sorry, I can't disagree with you enough here.
Sure economic changes can spur gameplay, but they do have to be careful how they impact the economy or they could seriously kill the game.
Like all other challenges, these should be designed and not happenstance. Although certainly emergant game play is an added bonus, but it should not break the engine of the economy.
Hopefully your viewpoint comes from the economy not being your thing. Starting to look forward to Mynnna (seriously three ns? Can't talk you into running as Corestwo?) being on the CSM. LOL. You're taking what I'm saying waaaaaay too literally. No one is saying "**** the economy". Regardless of what you think I know about economic issues, I was one of many that warned CCP about the farmability of FW. The problem is that even when an effect is predicted, its magnitude can't always be as well. CCP was well aware that something could happen along those lines, and the fact that they altered their release schedule because of an uncontrolled event shows pretty clearly that the economy is monitored and responded to. I'm not at all advocating Eyjo and the design teams stay in locked, separate rooms like different genders at a Catholic school. Quite the opposite. You were simply asking about Eyjo and his role in the company, all I've been doing is explaining to you the way I've heard him talk about his job and responsbilities.
I wasn't asking anything.
I was advocating.
I've not been happy with CCP "blowing holes in their economy" and would like to see a more proactive economic adviser.
EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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None ofthe Above
412
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Posted - 2013.01.06 04:02:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: Starting to look forward to Mynnna (seriously three ns? Can't talk you into running as Corestwo?) being on the CSM. Me too! We talk almost daily about the things going on in the game, and there's a lot all of us* can learn (and have learned) from his expertise. Just take what he says with a grain of salt, him being a dirty rotten Goon and all who is probably out to destroy your game, steal your wives, eat your babies, and play with your toys**. *Players in general. **Not necessarily in that order.
I am curious as to how he would juggle the responsibilities of being one the goon's money men, an editor at TheM and a CSM.
... and I don't trust any of you CSM... you play that EVE game... obviously all sociopaths. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3725
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Posted - 2013.01.06 04:25:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote: I've not been happy with CCP "blowing holes in their economy" and would like to see a more proactive economic adviser.
Glad we're on the same page than. o7
Alphea Abbra wrote: What I said was that it reflects badly on you (The CSM) to aim for a too ambitious date
My apologies. Next time we'll aim for a later date. It'll be less stressful for us anyways, glad you're more patient than we are. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2013.01.06 08:05:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: Starting to look forward to Mynnna (seriously three ns? Can't talk you into running as Corestwo?) being on the CSM. Me too! We talk almost daily about the things going on in the game, and there's a lot all of us* can learn (and have learned) from his expertise. Just take what he says with a grain of salt, him being a dirty rotten Goon and all who is probably out to destroy your game, steal your wives, eat your babies, and play with your toys**. *Players in general. **Not necessarily in that order. I am curious as to how he would juggle the responsibilities of being one the goon's money men (part of the cabal that must not be named), an editor at TheM and a CSM. ... and I don't trust any of you CSM... you play that EVE game... obviously all sociopaths.
Mittani managed to juggle the responsibilities of being the one leading our merry band of reprobates and serving on the CSM, as have a multitude of other alliance leaders and higher-ups. If elected, I'm sure I'll manage. To address what I suspect is your specific point, in light of the "money man" comment, the line between insider information and simply moving with the herd is rather obvious - "Is it on the test server yet?" You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2421
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Posted - 2013.01.06 12:23:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:What I said was that it reflects badly on you (The CSM) to aim for a too ambitious date without being able to keep it. Maybe that's petty, dunno, v0v. Better to aim for the stars and hit the moon, than aim for New Jersey and hit Philadelphia. The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
Alphea Abbra
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Posted - 2013.01.06 12:48:00 -
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Aiming for New Jersey is a bad idea to begin with, while hitting Philadelphia will only make things worse. On the moon you'll at least asphyxiate before realising what a daft idea it was! |
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