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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3762
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Posted - 2012.11.29 16:32:00 -
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gfldex wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:well you don't want to wait for them to undock.. you can place bounties on them (and anyone) while they're docked too! You will be quoted in petitions.
yeah that's going to help their case? Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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gfldex
574
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Posted - 2012.11.29 17:40:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:yeah that's going to help their case?
Most likely the opposite. However, you may be faced with stern looks in the canteen. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2982
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Posted - 2012.11.29 17:44:00 -
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gfldex wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:yeah that's going to help their case? Most likely the opposite. However, you may be faced with stern looks in the canteen. Only when she swipes the last jelly. |
Solarius Elrond
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
6
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Posted - 2012.11.30 23:01:00 -
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Hmm.
If I understand this correctly...
I can camp a gate and wait for a good ship..say and Obelisk, have my confederate place a 100k bounty on the pilot then suicide gank ('cause therre is no kill right) an expensive ship for 20% of its billion isk value. A bunch of cheap ships expended but the Final Blow player shares the Bounty around with his ganking pals.
kool.
And how long will the game last with this mechanism in place?
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Herr Hammer Draken
165
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Posted - 2012.12.01 06:26:00 -
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Solarius Elrond wrote:Hmm.
If I understand this correctly...
I can camp a gate and wait for a good ship..say and Obelisk, have my confederate place a 100k bounty on the pilot then suicide gank ('cause therre is no kill right) an expensive ship for 20% of its billion isk value. A bunch of cheap ships expended but the Final Blow player shares the Bounty around with his ganking pals.
kool.
And how long will the game last with this mechanism in place?
Nope, If you put 100k isk bounty on a billion isk value ship and gank it all you get is up to 20% of the billion isk value. Which would be up to 200 million. However you only put 100k bounty on it. So you get 100k and thats it. His bounty remaining drops to zero as you cleared it all off.
If you put 100k bounty on a ship with a value of 100k. Then ganked that ship you would get 20k isk bounty paid out. The remaining 80k bounty would still be on the head of the pilot of that (100k ship). Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
463
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Posted - 2012.12.01 06:53:00 -
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Hmm now that does bring up a interesting question.
Now you are not allowed to harrass new players in the newbie zones. So if you put a bounty on a newbie player and someone else collects it then who gets in trouble ?
Just wondering cause I know someone is going to try it sadly...
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
87
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:51:00 -
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I remember when the forums moved to Eve Gate, people asked "Why no dislike button, only like button?" Guess CCP thought it would be funnier if the new bounty system became a way of "disliking" someone for all their forum shenanigans... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5297
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:33:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I can see bounties being used as a means to limit the value of a ship a person is willing to fly.
For example if a guy is flying an orca value at 700M or so. Bounty would be 20% or 140M payout if the bounty was that high or higher on that character.
So assume that that bounty was 200+M on that character. Would he be willing to fly an orca? Or will he fly around in cheap ships? Of course he could always kill his own orca to clear off 140M of that bounty, but it will cost him 560M extra to replace the orca.
Orca just used for an example could be any large expensive ship.
Alternatively, people will actually start fitting DCUs. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5297
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:34:00 -
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Solarius Elrond wrote:Hmm.
If I understand this correctly...
Don't worry, you don't.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
375
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:05:00 -
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Adam Gamel wrote:
Bounty hunters work for the police force to help capture people who have broken the law.
Nope, bounty hunters hunt people for bounty, there is no requirement for any law to be involved. In our modern civilised world it has come to mean this simply because only governments (well the us government, most countries have officials to do these things ...) are allowed to legally pay for someones apprehension. Given that it has always been the players paying the bounty in eve rather than concord, and given that apprehension was never the aim it was never really a bounty system like that anyway, it was more like the bounties set by land owners or companies to protect their assets. Those ranged against anything from natives (native american, aboriginies whatever) to suspected petty criminals (castle rustlers for example) or general undersirables (gypsys, jews) and often had no legal backing whatsoever.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
121
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Posted - 2012.12.01 13:52:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Bounty does not equal kill rights.
Pretty sure if the bounty is high enough no one will care. Put a billion ISK on someone's head and people will happily feed alts in cheap gank ships to CONCORD just to collect on it. EvE Forum Bingo |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3785
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:51:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bounty does not equal kill rights. Pretty sure if the bounty is high enough no one will care. Put a billion ISK on someone's head and people will happily feed alts in cheap gank ships to CONCORD just to collect on it.
except that you won't get the whole billion! Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10747
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:59:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bounty does not equal kill rights. Pretty sure if the bounty is high enough no one will care. Put a billion ISK on someone's head and people will happily feed alts in cheap gank ships to CONCORD just to collect on it. except that you won't get the whole billion! Now now, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3786
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Posted - 2012.12.01 15:11:00 -
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Mag's wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bounty does not equal kill rights. Pretty sure if the bounty is high enough no one will care. Put a billion ISK on someone's head and people will happily feed alts in cheap gank ships to CONCORD just to collect on it. except that you won't get the whole billion! Now now, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument.
haha you're right!
sometimes I get the feeling nobody reads my team's dev blogs Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10747
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Posted - 2012.12.01 15:21:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Mag's wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Pretty sure if the bounty is high enough no one will care. Put a billion ISK on someone's head and people will happily feed alts in cheap gank ships to CONCORD just to collect on it.
except that you won't get the whole billion! Now now, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument. haha you're right! sometimes I get the feeling nobody reads my team's dev blogs Be assured many of us do. I often check for bad spelling and grammar etc.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
3050
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Posted - 2012.12.01 15:22:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Mag's wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bounty does not equal kill rights. Pretty sure if the bounty is high enough no one will care. Put a billion ISK on someone's head and people will happily feed alts in cheap gank ships to CONCORD just to collect on it. except that you won't get the whole billion! Now now, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument. haha you're right! sometimes I get the feeling nobody reads my team's dev blogs
Dev blogs don't stop stupid or lazy people from posting their mistaken assumptions, but they allow the rest of us to correct and ridicule them.
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gfldex
574
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Posted - 2012.12.01 16:14:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:except that you won't get the whole billion!
It does work on Buckingham.
Bounty payment From: CONCORD Sent: 2012.12.01 16:12
For your termination of Schlepperchen we have paid you 70,000,000,000.00 ISK from their bounty pool.
On TQ one would have to gank a nicely filled freighter or a pimp super to claim a bounty that big. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3787
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Posted - 2012.12.01 16:48:00 -
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gfldex wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:except that you won't get the whole billion! It does work on Buckingham. Bounty payment From: CONCORD Sent: 2012.12.01 16:12 For your termination of Schlepperchen we have paid you 70,000,000,000.00 ISK from their bounty pool. On TQ one would have to gank a nicely filled freighter or a pimp super to claim a bounty that big.
on TQ you get the whole bounty paid if you pod someone
on Bucky you get a percentage of the ships/pods worth or the whole bounty pool if it's less than that amount Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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gfldex
574
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Posted - 2012.12.01 16:58:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote: on TQ you get the whole bounty paid if you pod someone
I indeed misphrased, let my try again. With the next expansion one will have to gank a nicely filled freighter or a pimped super (technically any ship would do if it carries enough titan bpos) to claim a big bounty in one go. Unless there is a cap on a single bounty payout that we are not being told about yet. Is there such a cap?
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
137
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Posted - 2012.12.01 16:59:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote: on TQ you get the whole bounty paid if you pod someone
on Bucky you get a percentage of the ships/pods worth or the whole bounty pool if it's less than that amount
Eh, shouldn't that be the other way around?
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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gfldex
574
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Posted - 2012.12.01 17:22:00 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Eh, shouldn't that be the other way around?
If you assume we are in the boundaries of the topic (new bounty system) it makes little sense indeed. If you assume Punktaris delights in getting on other ppls nerves it makes perfect sense. She is a troll and I should known. I usually ignore her but the new bounty system is to terrible to resist the temptation.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10749
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Posted - 2012.12.01 17:31:00 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote: on TQ you get the whole bounty paid if you pod someone
on Bucky you get a percentage of the ships/pods worth or the whole bounty pool if it's less than that amount
Eh, shouldn't that be the other way around? No, because the patch hasn't happened yet.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
377
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Posted - 2012.12.01 17:36:00 -
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gfldex wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote: on TQ you get the whole bounty paid if you pod someone
I indeed misphrased, let my try again. With the next expansion one will have to gank a nicely filled freighter or a pimped super (technically any ship would do if it carries enough titan bpos) to claim a big bounty in one go. Unless there is a cap on a single bounty payout that we are not being told about yet. Is there such a cap?
Why would there be? |
gfldex
574
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Posted - 2012.12.01 17:56:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Why would there be?
The new bounty system takes the avg. market value of items into account when calculating the bounty payout for an individual hit. If the drop rate changes (because of a future patch or bug) for a high value item and turns that item into a low value item there would be a short time frame in which one could claim his own (phat) bounty before the market is catching up. So the system is not broken but vulnerable to changes. One could add a hard cap to bounty payouts to somewhat dampen the problem.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
380
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Posted - 2012.12.01 18:01:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Doddy wrote:Why would there be? The new bounty system takes the avg. market value of items into account when calculating the bounty payout for an individual hit. If the drop rate changes (because of a future patch or bug) for a high value item and turns that item into a low value item there would be a short time frame in which one could claim his own (phat) bounty before the market is catching up. So the system is not broken but vulnerable to changes. One could add a hard cap to bounty payouts to somewhat dampen the problem.
No they just use averaged historic data to judge values like with FW, goons already having done what you are suggesting deliberately. They won't say this is what they do but it seems the simplest way round it. |
gfldex
574
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Posted - 2012.12.01 18:26:00 -
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Doddy wrote:No they just use averaged historic data to judge values like with FW, goons already having done what you are suggesting deliberately. They won't say this is what they do but it seems the simplest way round it.
I'm not talking about market manipulation by a group of players to increase LP rewards. That's a completely different matter. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
186
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Posted - 2012.12.01 18:26:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:haha you're right! sometimes I get the feeling nobody reads my team's dev blogs
Congratulation you just discovered that 90% of people cant read with comprehensions what's in front of them.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
380
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Posted - 2012.12.01 19:09:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Doddy wrote:No they just use averaged historic data to judge values like with FW, goons already having done what you are suggesting deliberately. They won't say this is what they do but it seems the simplest way round it. I'm not talking about market manipulation by a group of players to increase LP rewards. That's a completely different matter.
But any fix ccp created for that automatically fixes what you are talking about by default they use the same system.
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Solarius Elrond
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
7
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:03:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Solarius Elrond wrote:Hmm.
If I understand this correctly...
I can camp a gate and wait for a good ship..say and Obelisk, have my confederate place a 100k bounty on the pilot then suicide gank ('cause therre is no kill right) an expensive ship for 20% of its billion isk value. A bunch of cheap ships expended but the Final Blow player shares the Bounty around with his ganking pals.
kool.
And how long will the game last with this mechanism in place?
Nope, If you put 100k isk bounty on a billion isk value ship and gank it all you get is up to 20% of the billion isk value. Which would be up to 200 million. However you only put 100k bounty on it. So you get 100k and thats it. His bounty remaining drops to zero as you cleared it all off. If you put 100k bounty on a ship with a value of 100k. Then ganked that ship you would get 20k isk bounty paid out. The remaining 80k bounty would still be on the head of the pilot of that (100k ship).
Hmm. I certainly hope this interpretation is correct.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
383
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:44:00 -
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Solarius Elrond wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Solarius Elrond wrote:Hmm.
If I understand this correctly...
I can camp a gate and wait for a good ship..say and Obelisk, have my confederate place a 100k bounty on the pilot then suicide gank ('cause therre is no kill right) an expensive ship for 20% of its billion isk value. A bunch of cheap ships expended but the Final Blow player shares the Bounty around with his ganking pals.
kool.
And how long will the game last with this mechanism in place?
Nope, If you put 100k isk bounty on a billion isk value ship and gank it all you get is up to 20% of the billion isk value. Which would be up to 200 million. However you only put 100k bounty on it. So you get 100k and thats it. His bounty remaining drops to zero as you cleared it all off. If you put 100k bounty on a ship with a value of 100k. Then ganked that ship you would get 20k isk bounty paid out. The remaining 80k bounty would still be on the head of the pilot of that (100k ship). Hmm. I certainly hope this interpretation is correct. Thanks
Its not an interpretation, its how it works.
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