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YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:13:00 -
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Discuss.... "Working as intended" |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
540
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:14:00 -
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Yes.
/thread Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
105
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:17:00 -
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Remove highsec incursions |
Travis117
Project Maverick IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:24:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Remove highsec incursions Remove flakes of isk ohh wait... |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1851
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:24:00 -
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IBTL? EVE is not about PvP.-á EVE is about the SANDBOX! |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:31:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:IBTL?
Now why would our kindhearted mods want to lock a thread discussing current game-play issues?
I flew 51 jumps thru lowsec, and died to Incursion rats in Ami. Which was funny, but that's another story.... I think it's the first time I've ever seen Ami empty during Euro prime.....
"Working as intended" |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
468
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:31:00 -
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But honestly, yea, the way ccp overlayed incursions on EVE, they are working as one would expect .
High sec has stable-ish incursion farming communities (of which i am a member lol).
Low Sec doesn't but gets exploited by organized groups like TEST
Null Sec incursions get done quickly by the sov local residents to clear it out and maybe make some bonus isk..
In theroy the null sec incursions pay out the best, followed by low and then high in last place. in practice most incursion isk and LP come from people doing high sec incursions, with low and null way far below.
Just like missions. Null and low have better lvl 4 agents, and low has lvl 5 agents that SPEW great rewards, but the insanely vast majority of missions are done in high sec. Goes to show that no amount of reward is going to push some people away from safety, and that's cool with me, more 10/10s and lvl 5s for me (while still having plenty of combat, whoever said low and null are dead or empty just isn't in the right places). CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:33:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Remove highsec incursions And in what way will low-sec incursions be filled with people, by removing highsec incursions? Is it a given that people will flood the low-sec ones, or? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5693
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:34:00 -
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I nearly died in Ami once.
/c
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joydivisionn
unfair pleasure Elemental Tide
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:39:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I nearly died in Ami once.
/c
Your kidding, Right ;-)
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Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:44:00 -
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If the majority of lowsec incursions are empty, then the rewards are not good enough to make it worth going to low.
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Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:44:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:But honestly, yea, the way ccp overlayed incursions on EVE, they are working as one would expect .
High sec has stable-ish incursion farming communities (of which i am a member lol).
Low Sec doesn't but gets exploited by organized groups like TEST
Null Sec incursions get done quickly by the sov local residents to clear it out and maybe make some bonus isk..
In theroy the null sec incursions pay out the best, followed by low and then high in last place. in practice most incursion isk and LP come from people doing high sec incursions, with low and null way far below.
Just like missions. Null and low have better lvl 4 agents, and low has lvl 5 agents that SPEW great rewards, but the insanely vast majority of missions are done in high sec. Goes to show that no amount of reward is going to push some people away from safety, and that's cool with me, more 10/10s and lvl 5s for me (while still having plenty of combat, whoever said low and null are dead or empty just isn't in the right places).
Most ISK in highsec incursion is due to farming not the actuall payout from sites, low and null pays better for that.
And with people running fleets in VG sites with 12 people, it's almost inevitable that they will keep running sites with the reduced payouts.
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YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:45:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I nearly died in Ami once.
/c
Someone actually shot at you? I would have thought the skies would have opened up and the CCP angels would have smite the unbeliever!
"Working as intended" |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
104
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:30:00 -
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removing highsec incursions will not make people run them in lowsec, it wwill just make the vast majority of people stop running them, and then what was the point of creating them in the first place?
they are worth less than the low/null ones.. quite a bit less, but you don't get your s**t pushed in by 20 pirate/sov groups while trying to do them, so the long term isk is better.
ib4l and working as intended imo .. having mercilessly slaughtered several entire lowsec incursion running fleets, or just griefed them out of the system by being in local i can attest to the fact that the incursion runners have very little chance of running them without incurring large, expensive losses |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2012.11.30 00:22:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I nearly died in Ami once.
/c
I WAS THAR!!!!
Oh, wait, no I wasn't. Sorry, my bad. |
Oopsy Bear
Massively Masochistic Machos
14
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Posted - 2012.11.30 00:28:00 -
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People mine and mission in high sec because the math is on their side. Once you factor in ship and time losses from going low you see that it is less isk. For some reason people then think that nerfing high is the answer. I would argue that low needs a buff. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2774
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Posted - 2012.11.30 00:34:00 -
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Oopsy Bear wrote:People mine and mission in high sec because the math is on their side. Once you factor in ship and time losses from going low you see that it is less isk. For some reason people then think that nerfing high is the answer. I would argue that low needs a buff.
In this case I really can't argue with that. In fact I've long pondered that in certain cases Low sec should be quite a bit more lucrative than High OR Null... and absolutely feel that a vital resource or two should be exclusive to Low Sec. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Bump Truck
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.30 00:50:00 -
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Where's the lock? Lack of content.
Low is broken. /thread |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
234
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:02:00 -
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Obviously reward doesn't cover risk in this case.
I'd do low-sec incursions in case if rewards were 3 times higher. |
CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
57
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:11:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Obviously reward doesn't cover risk in this case.
I'd do low-sec incursions in case if rewards were 3 times higher.
can someone make these bear spawn sites crap more isk please
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:15:00 -
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Lowsec incursions are just fine. Highsec incursions are a massive isk faucet and should never have been rebuffed. The 10% nerf was just fine, but incursion bears cried that their riskless isk faucet wasn't working as well anymore (when it never should have worked as well as it did).
I say this as someone who used to run incursions. |
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
132
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:18:00 -
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remove "discussssss" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
449
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Posted - 2012.11.30 02:43:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: (snip) Low Sec doesn't but gets exploited by organized groups like TEST
Null Sec incursions get done quickly by the sov local residents to clear it out and maybe make some bonus isk.. (snip)
Wrong since Escalation not a single lo or null incursion has been finished "Having a bad day? It takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pullthe trigger of a decent sniper rifle." - Dr. John D. Taylor |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.30 02:53:00 -
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My take. If Low-sec incursions aren't being run, then the risk and reward are not properly balanced. Maybe High-sec incursions are paying to much, can't say, have never bothered to run one. It seems like Low-sec incursions are the highest risk, and should provide the highest reward......But I guess that would make too much sense.
"Working as intended" |
Sentamon
282
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Posted - 2012.11.30 03:42:00 -
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Why would anyone want to PvE in Lowsec when they can just gank PvE'ers with just about 0 risk to themselves and get their loot? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Dunkler Imperator
N.F.H.P. SQUEE.
14
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Posted - 2012.11.30 04:01:00 -
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null and low don't pay enough to make them worth it.
They take alot of time to organize & plan They require expensive battleships/t3/logi for pve in a pvp environment and they make **** isk
end result
no1 does them.
It's a very simple fix.
buff 100% bounty and remove the lp only when mother ship dies.
these things are fun to run, but it's impossible to get a team together when the risk/reward is so bad.
ccp if ur reading this.
Look at the statistics Be4 nerf
Now look at them
Now fix it. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1368
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Posted - 2012.11.30 05:01:00 -
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We do sometimes do incursions in nullsec, but that's because they're a gigantic pain in the ass and we want them to go away. Not because we actually get much for doing them. -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear. |
Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.11.30 06:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:We do sometimes do incursions in nullsec, but that's because they're a gigantic pain in the ass and we want them to go away. Not because we actually get much for doing them.
Cyno jamming entire constellations makes our already bitter logistics pilots even more bitter. (Logistics as in space trucking, not the ship class.) |
Beekeeper Bob
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2012.11.30 07:04:00 -
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How about changing Low-sec Incursion mechanic? Make it esclalating, they don't go away on their own, and gain increasing control over the area. If they aren't fought, the Sansha gain complete control over the constellation, becoming increasingly vicious over time, pursuing players that fail to heed a concord warning. At some point the Constellation becomes almost impassable without a capable combat fleet. Once they gain this type of control, the plexes become harder, but so do the payouts. Perhaps some high level random drops from the gate sansha to enhance people's reason to go in and mess with them.
The game lacks a dynamic nature, the one thing that could really make it a worthwhile game to play.
TheMittani.com: The premier source for keyloggers, jokes and obtaining your IP. DOS attacks will work so much better after the patch..... |
Myxx
650
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Posted - 2012.11.30 07:16:00 -
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because judging the entirety of lowsec and lowsec incursions by the population in a particular lowsec entrance during any one point of the day or during an incursion automatically means everything is like that in lowsec. |
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