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jon zollinger
Fleetworks Sev3rance
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Posted - 2012.11.30 06:03:00 -
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I've been playing EVE for around a year as an "Industrialist". Mostly I just shoot rocks and my null sec corp buys them from me. I only have my one account but my mining skills are pretty near maxed out for what i mine (mostly ice, but a little abc id the corp needs it). Lately I've been wanting to make some more cash than just ~20m an hour. Some things I've considered are:
1. Opening another account 2. Trying out manufacturing
I play quite a bit, at least 50 hours a week, mostly semi-afk on ice. I easily pay for PLEX but I'd like to get some shiny new toys!!
Manufacturing has always seemed to complicated with all of the invention and research of various types, I could break into without to much trouble though. Corp has POS's and things to use.
How much money does manufacturing bring in compared to selling minerals raw?? |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.30 06:23:00 -
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that;s easy.. whenever I feel like making money, I get up early and I play for 23 hours straight. I either run incursions, I mine, or I trade. 3 or 4 times a month keeps me happily funded for other activities. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.11.30 09:01:00 -
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jon zollinger wrote:How much money does manufacturing bring in compared to selling minerals raw??
What's the competition like? I've tried a bit of manufacturing where I live in high-sec, but there's intense competition and profit margins are tiny. You appear to be living in 0.0, null-sec, so it's possible that there is very little competition and thus huge peofit margins to be had. On the other hand, volume of sale might be low. I can sell basically anything whatsoeffingever in Jita 4-4 if I ***** my price down low enough (quite possibly going into negative profit margin), but out in 0.0 you really need to find out what the market wants and how much it wants of it.
Chances are you'll have to become able to produce a diverse range of hulls and modules, instead of specializing in just a few, but of course if you discover a great need, go for the throat. Also, ammo might be a good thing to specialize in, if it's used in huge quantities by most of the population in the area.
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Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
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Posted - 2012.11.30 11:29:00 -
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Manufacturing can increase the minerals value by 5-50% on items that move in under a day in Jita. Especially since most mineral buy orders are below their real value. If you are however, living in null sec... then it could be very different and depends highly on the market status there for the goods. Most of the items sold in the markets there are brought in by the traders from high-sec and only a portion are made on spot.
So if you want to make some serious isk off manufacturing, then you should move the production to high-sec where you can get the cheap minerals and do it there and move the goods to hubs for sale. If you can, then you can use the logistics systems your corp / alliance has in place to move the goods back to null sec. Doing so, will bring in quite a lot more isk.
As for profits that can be made... if you use sell orders for your goods, then a "medium-small" sized solo op is bringing in roughly 3-5b per month. Once a week runs, using public contracts and buying minerals from jita sell orders. The possible profits however, for a solo op can be a lot higher if you have 10b+ starter capital. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
454
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:02:00 -
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so wait... you're in nullsec and you're making 20mil per hour?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
CataCourier
Asha' Man Corp
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:16:00 -
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jon zollinger wrote:I've been playing EVE for around a year as an "Industrialist". Mostly I just shoot rocks and my null sec corp buys them from me. I only have my one account but my mining skills are pretty near maxed out for what i mine (mostly ice, but a little abc id the corp needs it). Lately I've been wanting to make some more cash than just ~20m an hour. Some things I've considered are:
1. Opening another account 2. Trying out manufacturing
I play quite a bit, at least 50 hours a week, mostly semi-afk on ice. I easily pay for PLEX but I'd like to get some shiny new toys!!
Manufacturing has always seemed to complicated with all of the invention and research of various types, I could break into without to much trouble though. Corp has POS's and things to use.
How much money does manufacturing bring in compared to selling minerals raw??
Step one: stop mining ice. You can literally double your income per hour by switching to any other ore except gneiss or spod. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
501
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:17:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:so wait... you're in nullsec and you're making 20mil per hour?
That's kind of what I thought. Bumping, leave it alone. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:10:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:so wait... you're in nullsec and you're making 20mil per hour? Um yeah...you are doing it wrong OP.
Get off ice to start. Sounds like you haven't even tried to figure out what the rest of us do yet. Plenty of options but not going to hold your hand here. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
102
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:44:00 -
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jon zollinger wrote:I've been playing EVE for around a year as an "Industrialist". Mostly I just shoot rocks and my null sec corp buys them from me. I only have my one account but my mining skills are pretty near maxed out for what i mine (mostly ice, but a little abc id the corp needs it). Lately I've been wanting to make some more cash than just ~20m an hour. Some things I've considered are:
1. Opening another account
Another account will always help with more isk. If you mine training another miner / orca would be a good start. Training as a miner first is a great progression to an orca, since once you can fly an Exhumer you are about 10 - 15 days away from the Orca, and then you can start training up leadership skills for mining boosts.
Keep in mind you can have up to 3 characters on each account. yes it sucks stopping training on your main, but with just a few days of training for each character it can open up quite a few new areas to make isk.
jon zollinger wrote: 2. Trying out manufacturing
Manufacturing can be good, but you need to research BPO's (and get them into null). If you have logistics though your corp (jump frighter) this shouldn't be much of an issue. You'll also need access to research and manufacturing slots, most likely though your corp. And if they wont give them to you and you don't have access to them in your null station you're out of luck.
It also requires quite a bit of traiing. You need Production Efficiency V (11 days), advanced labs III (5 days) science, metallurgy, research, mass production, etc. Really you should expect around 25+ days for manufacturing training, if not more. And thats not counting any type of T2 manufacturing / invention.
Also once you manufacture the items in null, you need to sell them, and null sec isn't the best place to sell stuff, you'll need to find out what your corp/alliance are looking for and hopefully sell it to them, but ironically unless you sell it for low prices they'll just buy from Jita / high sec anyways, so see if there is any interest there first.
jon zollinger wrote: I play quite a bit, at least 50 hours a week, mostly semi-afk on ice. I easily pay for PLEX but I'd like to get some shiny new toys!!
Ice mining is really just... just bad isk/hour. I ice mine while at work and it is the only time I'll do it because ore mining isk/hour is always so much better.
But if you're mining ice why not manufacture fuel blocks? You can increase your profits so much more simply by setting up PI in your system for fuel block P1 - P3 items and make much better profits (anywhere from 25% to 35% more then selling your ice refined).
jon zollinger wrote: Manufacturing has always seemed to complicated with all of the invention and research of various types, I could break into without to much trouble though. Corp has POS's and things to use.
Basic manufacturing is easy. Get a BPO, buy it pre-researched or research the ME/PE (material waste, and manfufacturing time). Then just load up your ore and wait a few hours/days and you have a product.
T2 invention and manufacturing is where things get complicated, so just stay away from that and things will be easy.
jon zollinger wrote: How much money does manufacturing bring in compared to selling minerals raw??
It varies so much and so often. It depends on location, market volumes, ore prices, etc. It is all about finding the right items to sell at the right places.
For example:
Hurricane sell order in Jita: 50,449,986isk.
Isogen 46.949 8,920,310 isk Megacyte 1.108 = 2,385,524isk Mexallon 158.507 = 9,637,225isk Pyerite 656.103 = 8,929,561 Tritanium 2.630.020 = 16,358,724 Zydrine 2.848 = 2,404,965
If you sold your minerals to Jita buy orders you would make 48,636,309 Selling your hurricane at jita though a buy order you would make: 50,449,986
So just about 2M isk more, but keep in mind selling the Hurricane in a different region you could easily make some additional profit. Also hurricanes are always in high demand so its harder to sell them for descent profit.
And finally, as I said above if you are mining so much ice, make fuel blocks. Think of it this way, anyone buying your ice materials, they are most likely making fuel blocks with it and making a profit, so why not make that profit yourself?
I would suggest training up the 2 additional characters on your account to do basic PI. Basic indy ship + t2 expanded cargoholds + medium cargohold opts + CC IV + IC IV + advanced planetlogy IV will take around 16 - 20 days depending on remappings, implants etc. Doing this on all 3 characters will take roughly a total of 50 - 60 days (depending on what your main already knows). This will give you 15 planets to extract materials from and manufacture more then enough PI goods for your fuel block production. You can get away with just doing 11 - 12 days training for each character by skipping planetlogy V and advanced planetology, but these really help with your daily yields.
To give you some idea; if you are currently making 20m isk / hour mining ice, and you continue with the 50 hours per week this would come out to roughly 1B isk per month just from the profits of converting your ice to fuel blocks. It doesn't even take into consideration the additional isk made from extra PI or ice materials you have left over. This is just the 25% additional profit from manufacturing fuel blocks vs what you currently sell your ice at.
And if you did decide to subscribe an additional account, train him as a miner for ice and do the above with the 2 additional accounts you can basically double the isk/month. |
jon zollinger
Fleetworks Sev3rance
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Posted - 2012.12.01 00:52:00 -
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I'll try ore for a few days to see what the ISK is like then. (probably stay away from manufacturing a little longer :p). |
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Li Song
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.12.04 09:23:00 -
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You can make some profit without too much effort from manufacturing large T1 ammo. Skill-wise, all you need for that is PE 5. Have a look at which type of ammo sells well in your region. Buy the corresponding blueprint and research its ME and PE (cf. http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/). Make copies of it, so that you can run multiple manufacturing lines at once (or buy multiple originals). Depending on the type of ammo, it'll yield and additional 10%-30% to the value of the minerals invested. |
Cavilha
Tupy Industries
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:38:00 -
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Fabrication NS is very profitable. Even mining their own ore or buying ore miners.
But you have to study what are the most used items and higher volume output. Normalemente ammunition, ships and some equipment. Principalemnte equipment T2.
Everything depends on how this state of supply in the market of their region. Distant regions of HS items are usually lacking.
Players NS prefer to pay up to 100% more on the price of the item to not need the hassle of having to send for and take in HS to arrive.
It is always possible to make a profit with industry anywhere in EVE. But you have to learn how. |
Nu Genesis
Underverse Industries
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:44:00 -
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Jon,
This may have already been addressed ( I wouldn't know because I'm too lazy to read other people's comments). In my opinion, your first mistake is obviously the middle man. If you want to maximize your profit stop selling your ore to a buyback program. That should help plenty.
That Is All,
Nu |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1137
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:55:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:so wait... you're in nullsec and you're making 20mil per hour? That's kind of what I thought. At one point I was earning just over 3b ISK per month exporting PI to hisec. I had 2 characters doing extraction and processing to P1, and one doing processing to P2.
A friend once asked me, "How do you make 3b a month with PI? I can't seem to make more than about 21m per day per planet." |
psycho freak
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:37:00 -
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Personaly i dont do just one thing im set up in a way i can do what i like when i like
yes alts are key
im mostly a losec scumbag that just likes to blow stuff up for lulz but
i have my own invention pos/run pi /do incusions / fw/ losec plexing so if im ever short of few isk i have a choice of activtys to make my isk depends what i want and how much i need and by when
i tend to blitz grind for little bit get about 15b then kill sh-ít and die till i need or want somthing els
also Op forget mineing alltogether unless u afk mine in empire its a wast of your time save up get nice combat alt do whs or incusions or fw missions or just go losec kill stuff and look for plexes |
loyalanon
The Conference Elite Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:01:00 -
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jon zollinger wrote:I've been playing EVE for around a year as an "Industrialist". Mostly I just shoot rocks and my null sec corp buys them from me. I only have my one account but my mining skills are pretty near maxed out for what i mine (mostly ice, but a little abc id the corp needs it). Lately I've been wanting to make some more cash than just ~20m an hour. Some things I've considered are:
1. Opening another account 2. Trying out manufacturing
I play quite a bit, at least 50 hours a week, mostly semi-afk on ice. I easily pay for PLEX but I'd like to get some shiny new toys!!
Manufacturing has always seemed to complicated with all of the invention and research of various types, I could break into without to much trouble though. Corp has POS's and things to use.
How much money does manufacturing bring in compared to selling minerals raw??
Move to null.
Problem solved. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
108
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:58:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:
Move to null.
Problem solved.
" I just shoot rocks and my null sec corp buys them from me."
Decided not to read the OP post and went by title huh? |
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