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Seraph Castillon
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
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Posted - 2012.11.30 08:25:00 -
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What's the logic behind this? Last I heard it was only going to be T1 frigates in them. No faction, which would have been fine. There's really no reason to disallow destroyers now. Most faction frigates are very much capable of taking on a destroyer one way or another.
Now faction or pirate frigates will be king of the hill in novice plexes and the PvP meta will be rather limited. |
Sean Parisi
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
51
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Posted - 2012.11.30 09:13:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:What's the logic behind this? Last I heard it was only going to be T1 frigates in them. No faction, which would have been fine. There's really no reason to disallow destroyers now. Most faction frigates are very much capable of taking on a destroyer one way or another.
Now faction or pirate frigates will be king of the hill in novice plexes and the PvP meta will be rather limited.
Agreed, navy ships wouldn't be too bad. But if destroyers cant enter them, then pirate frigs really shouldn't either. |
Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2012.11.30 09:21:00 -
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CCP Fozzie already stated that they will see how things develop and are able to block faction frigs from novice sites if the need arises. |
Bengal Bob
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.11.30 12:37:00 -
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I predict sensor damping hookbills everywhere.
Boring. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.11.30 12:40:00 -
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I think if you look at scaling the fights is where the issues with destroyers are noticeable. In large scale fights destroyers are probably too powerful.
A pirate frigate should have a good chance to beat a destroyer.
10 pirate frigates would be murdered by 10 destroyers.
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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.11.30 13:21:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:CCP Fozzie already stated that they will see how things develop and are able to block faction frigs from novice sites if the need arises.
Devblog or post link please? I can't find any reference to this. Or are you in this post, referring to Factional Warfare plexes?
Edit: Sorry, realised which sub-forum this is for. Still can't find the link though (looked in features and ideas). |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2012.11.30 13:48:00 -
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You don't even need a Faction frig to kill a destroyer. TD Atron/Condor and you're good |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.11.30 13:54:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:You don't even need a Faction frig to kill a destroyer. TD Atron/Condor and you're good
Very true. It's not about what "beats" what. It's about how are you going to counter. Will you fly safe and objectively or just whine based on what kb's are saying about those who are unable to adapt? Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://armapurgatorium.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arpur_recruit1.png
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Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2012.11.30 14:25:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2240176#post2240176
Here is the Devpost where CCP Fozzie says that maybe faction frigs will be restricted. |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2012.11.30 14:48:00 -
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Getting rid of the over powered Trasher can only be good for the game play.
Hopefully players will now use the Fraction LP earned ships more. Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145548&#post2145548
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:03:00 -
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I predict 93.7% of all ships in these plex looking for pew will in fact be...hookbills. It will be far worse then the "thrasher problem" QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
639
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Posted - 2012.11.30 16:55:00 -
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Gunship wrote:Getting rid of the over powered Trasher can only be good for the game play. Yes, Thrashers are overpowered. Nobody can kill them. They are too tough. They ruin the game for every frigate pilot. There is no counter to them.
I cannot tellyou how many times I have lost my ship to them in solo situations. Ban them. Ban them all to hell! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:06:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:I predict 93.7% of all ships in these plex looking for pew will in fact be...hookbills. It will be far worse then the "thrasher problem"
IMO hookbills are already the most powerfull ship that can enter the current minor plex. I don't fly them much because people learn they are very tough to beat so you get very few fights.
The new plexes that allow the new destroyers and t2 frigates should be interesting. I really have no clue how that will pan out.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:58:00 -
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Well, when you want to wave your epeen, I recommend finding ones that are not 100% **** fit, solo would help as well. Otherwise your point is irrelevant.
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
175
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:01:00 -
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Cearain wrote: The new plexes that allow the new destroyers and t2 frigates should be interesting. I really have no clue how that will pan out.
Coercers. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
187
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:15:00 -
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Yeah I'm going to have to dust of a pirate frig I haven't flown in a while when the changes hit. Hookbill farming online! Well for a couple days at least until they start running when I enter local. No dessies means their are some more viable counters for hookbills now
Cearain wrote:
IMO hookbills are already the most powerfull ship that can enter the current minor plex. I don't fly them much because people learn they are very tough to beat so you get very few fights.
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Asko Vilenius
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:39:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Well for a couple days at least until they start running when I enter local.
Bragging about the fact you only fight with OGB. Priceless.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
187
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:46:00 -
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Getting idiots to accuse me of having boosts, now that is priceless. If I am solo, I am solo bro. That's just how I roll. Boosts != solo, you slanderous douche. You of all people should get that.
Asko Vilenius wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Well for a couple days at least until they start running when I enter local. Bragging about the fact you only fight with OGB. Priceless. QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:53:00 -
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Worm does a decent job on the hookbill. |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:58:00 -
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Schalac wrote:Worm does a decent job on the hookbill.
I'd imagine, but paying nearly five times that of the Hookbill to counter it kind of defeats the purpose. I can counter any solo BS easily...with a carrier. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://armapurgatorium.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arpur_recruit1.png
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:01:00 -
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Milton Middleson wrote:Cearain wrote: The new plexes that allow the new destroyers and t2 frigates should be interesting. I really have no clue how that will pan out.
Coercers.
Thats a decent pick but I really haven't looked at the t2 frigates much lately.
Also won't the missile changes help the missile dessie quite a bit. I think rockets will now benefit from the skill that allows you to hit smaller targets. Plus the drone boats might be tough. One destroyer gets a bonus to neuts I think. That plex size will have too many uncertainties for me to try to figure out. I will let other do that, and copy fits.
Finally IMO losing a low slot wiill hurt the coercer more than gaining a mid. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:12:00 -
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Morgan Torry wrote:Schalac wrote:Worm does a decent job on the hookbill. I'd imagine, but paying nearly five times that of the Hookbill to counter it kind of defeats the purpose. I can counter any solo BS easily...with a carrier. Price is relative. When I started flying hookbills they were 40-50 mil a pop and rarely seen. Now since everyone has seen how powerful a hookbill is they are flooding the market with them. Now if the worm gets the same exposure it would be cheap as well because anything a worm can catch it can kill, and anything that can catch a worm can be killed by it. All drone frigs are just borderline OP. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
640
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:33:00 -
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(Increased supply due to several Caldari Tier V payouts) |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:43:00 -
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Sniper corms are 100% balanced and require lots of skill to press f1 from 100 km away.
Now with the corax even if you get close we still have the same tracking as you were when you were 60km away I think I will prefer to stick my nose on the F1 key, and gently roll my face to the right when flying a corax (why group my guns when I can rollface?). |
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
74
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:51:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2240176#post2240176
Here is the Devpost where CCP Fozzie says that maybe faction frigs will be restricted.
Thanks! |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1167
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:53:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Well, when you want to wave your epeen, I recommend finding ones that are not 100% **** fit, solo would help as well. Otherwise your point is irrelevant. Most of those Thrasher fits are actually pretty standard. Many of them are solo too. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
387
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Posted - 2012.11.30 21:43:00 -
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They split up frigate plexs into one for t1 and one for t2 but they didn't do it for cruiser plexs? Odd. I thought one of the best parts about FW was that t1 ships could fly around without being wrecked by the much superior t2 ships. I guess there are still novice plexs but really tech1 ship fights sound way more fun than t2 ship fights. |
Feffri
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:54:00 -
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nice x gal... thrasher is not op'd and gets beat on a regular basis many counters to thrasher. With the new novice plexes one ship i was trying to figure how to counter 1v1 is the rail daredevil. I can't really think of a t1 ship counter any ideas... maybe hookbill with td and dual web to force it close and dual webs to hold it? Like to hear thoughts from the more experienced guys. Hopefully not too many.. umm just fly a dd :)
I also agree with the guy about the cruiser plex changes.. I liked how medium plexes were and was excited to see how the medium plex would evolve with t1 cruisers getting a boot. However now I fear that all you'll see now are vagabonds with scimitars in mediums where before there was pretty good variety of ships. Thoughts on this?
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Opera Noir
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.12.03 09:12:00 -
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Feffri wrote:
I also agree with the guy about the cruiser plex changes.. I liked how medium plexes were and was excited to see how the medium plex would evolve with t1 cruisers getting a boot. However now I fear that all you'll see now are vagabonds with scimitars in mediums where before there was pretty good variety of ships. Thoughts on this?
Take a Curse and a dps buddy in (Rupture maybe) and cap both of them out? With the cruiser rebalanced though there may be more viability for T1 cruisers in general to be used. Especially now with t1 logi support, because if you can fit a somewhat useful logi for under 20 mil and same with the rest of the cruisers. You could have a hole gang out there for the cost of one Scimi or one Vaga. Which would hopefully mean more willingness to fight and put those not so shiny T1 boats at risk. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:09:00 -
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Feffri wrote: With the new novice plexes one ship i was trying to figure how to counter 1v1 is the rail daredevil. They really ought to split the classification for empire faction and pirate faction frigates since they are designed to be two separate tiers. |
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