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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2015
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Posted - 2012.11.30 16:56:00 -
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I've noticed a lot of people confusing the two, or even thinking it's the same thing, so here's a short breakdown of what they are.
tl;dr: Putting a bounty on someone does not make them a legal target for anyone, and having killrights to someone (or buying them) does not imply the presence of a bounty. The two are absolutely unrelated.
Killrights
A killright is assigned to a person when he is a victim of illegal aggression resulting in a criminal flag. This killright gives the victim the right to trigger a "suspect" flag on the aggressor at a later time, without warning -- making the aggressor shootable, and potentially resulting in his death. If the aggressor dies while under that suspect flag, the killright is spent and cannot be used again. If he escapes, the killright can be used again.
Kill rights can be offered for "sale" to nearby people. This is the equivalent of saying "Pay me X ISK and you will be able to shoot this guy here". Essentially, it streamlines the process through which the victim can offer an opportunity (for ISK) to take advantage of the aggressor's suspect flag to other nearby people. This would be applicable, say, if a freighter pilot wanted to clear out a gatecamp which had shot him before. He could offer the killrights to one or two of the camping Tornados for pickup by nearby people, hoping a spunky Rifter would pop up and kill the Tornados for him.
Bounties
A bounty has nothing to do with whether you can shoot a target or not. The bounty is simply a pool of money which rewards people who kill the target -- regardless if the kill was legal or not. The payout for a kill against a target with a bounty on his head is 20% of the kill value (or the entire remaining bounty pool if it's too small).
Bounties can be placed on anyone. It is equally "ok" to put bounties on the Tornados in the previous example, to make them juicier targets, or to put bounties on hisec miners, to encourage suicide-ganking. The presence of a killright makes no difference in the enforcement of a bounty.
Once again: Bounties are not killrights. Learn the difference.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
306
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:24:00 -
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Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =) |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2016
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:26:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =) Nope. Still only pays out 20% of what they lost. If I have a 1 billion ISK bounty on my head, but am flying a 1 mil ISK Rifter, anyone killing me will still only get 200k ISK -- hardly worth a GCC. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
93
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:27:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =) Nope. Still only pays out 20% of what they lost. If I have a 1 billion ISK bounty on my head, but am flying a 1 mil ISK Rifter, anyone killing me will still only get 200k ISK -- hardly worth a GCC.
This is what we call ISK sink ? Bounties can be great ISK sink.Did you know that ? |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
147
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:42:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =) Nope. Still only pays out 20% of what they lost. If I have a 1 billion ISK bounty on my head, but am flying a 1 mil ISK Rifter, anyone killing me will still only get 200k ISK -- hardly worth a GCC. This is what we call ISK sink ? Bounties can be great ISK sink.Did you know that ? Nothing you just said was true. Thanks for trying though. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
562
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:47:00 -
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Worst PSA ever. No celebrity, No piano music in the background to fade out with, No shooting star with 'The more you know'...Nothing. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1506
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:47:00 -
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Nope, no ISK sink here. No ISK is "destroyed" all the bounty ISK gets put back into the system once claimed. All of the costs for the ships for the Wanted person are also not destroyed, that ISK is simply traded to another player in exchange for w/e ship and modules he used. The Drake is a Lie |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2017
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:49:00 -
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Guys, I'm pretty sure he was making a joke about how unclaimed bounties are going to turn into virtual sinks for ISK because they'll just sit there, forever out of circulation.
Chill. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1506
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:01:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Guys, I'm pretty sure he was making a joke about how unclaimed bounties are going to turn into virtual sinks for ISK because they'll just sit there, forever out of circulation.
Chill.
You never know these days. People really can be that stupid. The Drake is a Lie |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
802
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:51:00 -
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True |
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YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.11.30 21:53:00 -
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How about placing a bounty on a killright?
"Working as intended" |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.11.30 21:53:00 -
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CCP ganked me. "Working as intended" |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2022
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Posted - 2012.12.01 07:15:00 -
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YoYo NickyYo wrote:How about placing a bounty on a killright? You can only place bounties on people, corps, and alliances. A killright is none of those, so your question doesn't make sense. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3919
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:15:00 -
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wow you seemed to have studied both systems very well, that makes me happy!
did you just read our dev blogs or have you been playing around with the systems? Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Gotch Urarse
6
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:21:00 -
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Great post, this will may cut down on the tear threads as of late. Terrible post, this will may cut down on the tear threads as of late.
Sincerely, great info. +1 |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober
44
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:21:00 -
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Most bounties won't sit there forever. Everyone gets PVP'd eventually. I've gotten some bounty payments on accident my first night of PVP post patch. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2048
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:56:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:wow you seemed to have studied both systems very well, that makes me happy!
did you just read our dev blogs or have you been playing around with the systems? Dev blogs, patch notes, comments on the forum from devs and players, plus some talking to people who have played around with the systems. Ed: also extrapolating from the FW payout system a bit. I'd love to play around with them myself, but I've been online less than I'd like due to school and other real life things. Semester's almost over though!
Thanks for the feedback, everyone! Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Weiland Taur
Taur Industries Rebel Alliance of New Eden
109
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Posted - 2012.12.07 02:42:00 -
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Many thanks OP for the clear explanation. Hopefully others will read it and the torrent of fear and bowel releasing that is happening across the cluster will come to an end. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.07 02:54:00 -
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Weiland Taur wrote:Many thanks OP for the clear explanation. Hopefully others will read it and the torrent of fear and bowel releasing that is happening across the cluster will come to an end. You don't like fear and bowel releasing? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.12.07 03:22:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Nope, no ISK sink here. No ISK is "destroyed" all the bounty ISK gets put back into the system once claimed. All of the costs for the ships for the Wanted person are also not destroyed, that ISK is simply traded to another player in exchange for w/e ship and modules he used.
Not a true ISK sink for sure, however I wonder the consequences of literally billions of ISK being sucked out of the economy into bounty limbo for who knows how long....
Probably a doctoral in there somewhere.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.12.07 03:25:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Xercodo wrote:Nope, no ISK sink here. No ISK is "destroyed" all the bounty ISK gets put back into the system once claimed. All of the costs for the ships for the Wanted person are also not destroyed, that ISK is simply traded to another player in exchange for w/e ship and modules he used. Not a true ISK sink for sure, however I wonder the consequences of literally billions of ISK being sucked out of the economy into bounty limbo for who knows how long.... Probably a doctoral in there somewhere. Given the missioning problems I expect PLEX prices to tank. (that's not a wish or a "tip", just my observation FWIW - little I'm sure)
+1 to the OP. Said differently and well. I hope you are successful. CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
139
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Posted - 2012.12.07 03:52:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:tl;dr: Putting a bounty on someone does not make them a legal target for anyone, and having killrights to someone (or buying them) does not imply the presence of a bounty. The two are absolutely unrelated.
No, no... Let them go on with their bad selves. I find it entertaining.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
139
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Posted - 2012.12.07 03:56:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:YoYo NickyYo wrote:How about placing a bounty on a killright? You can only place bounties on people, corps, and alliances. A killright is none of those, so your question doesn't make sense. No no - It makes perfect sense. Place a bounty on someone towards whom you have a killright. Then make the killrights availble. Now potential shooters have both opportunity AND incentive. and you may even get some small part of your bounty back when the killrights get exercised. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
473
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Posted - 2012.12.07 09:25:00 -
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This thread needs to be stickied for at least a month imo. Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
765
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Posted - 2012.12.07 09:38:00 -
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sadly most players NEVER read these forums , so the confussion will persist for many years to come , still a good post by the OP I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1005
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Posted - 2012.12.07 10:16:00 -
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Good post Op.
Still, I wouldn't mind seeing a bounty expiration period of perhaps 6 months. After which, the ISK really does disappear into that ISK sink.
o7 Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
dexington
Push button receive bacon
242
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Posted - 2012.12.07 10:39:00 -
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You clearly don't understand the concept of bounties and killrights!
A = The value of what you are flying. B = The value of what the target is flying. C = The bounty of the target.
If C > A < 20% of B, and you can kill the target before concord show up, is an automatic killright. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
243
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Posted - 2012.12.07 11:10:00 -
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This should get a sticky.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
489
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Posted - 2012.12.07 11:41:00 -
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Aziesta wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =) Nope. Still only pays out 20% of what they lost. If I have a 1 billion ISK bounty on my head, but am flying a 1 mil ISK Rifter, anyone killing me will still only get 200k ISK -- hardly worth a GCC. This is what we call ISK sink ? Bounties can be great ISK sink.Did you know that ? Nothing you just said was true. Thanks for trying though.
Call it an ISK trap then, and they are. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2012.12.07 11:48:00 -
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Ok.
So, 2 things:
- Thankyou for this post, when I originally read the devblog it took me a good few reads before everything slotted into place. This post just flat out explains it all so much better.
- I will be taking bets on how long before Krixtal Icefluxor comes in here and starts whining/taking his toys home again.
http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
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