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Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Posted - 2012.12.01 03:16:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:It also only took 1 person who's motivations for his actions are unknown at this time to set these actions into motion. In a worse case scenario you have a dead leader and an excuse for long term martial law and an even longer purge of those that might be thought not to be loyal to the state.
A worst case scenario? That is nowhere near the worst possible case. Worst possible case is that this turns out not to have been the deranged actions of a lone gunman and, Ancestors Forbid, there's ties back to another organisation or Empire and then we have a war that makes the current border disagreements look like a nature ramble.
Slightly better than that is that it only turns out to have been one, or a group, of the big Eight that were involved and the State is headed for a brutal Civil War. No, a temporary interruption of freedoms and a more active than normal Provist presence is pretty far from the worst thing that can happen.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
268
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Posted - 2012.12.01 04:01:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:What about the other three people killed and two-hundred people injured as a result of "Provist interventionary measures"? Clumsy riot control there.
I see no lamentations about those poor commonfolk.
Public lamentations for public people.
Private lamentations for private people.
We don't need this hurtful commentary right now. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
25
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Posted - 2012.12.01 04:21:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:It also only took 1 person who's motivations for his actions are unknown at this time to set these actions into motion. In a worse case scenario you have a dead leader and an excuse for long term martial law and an even longer purge of those that might be thought not to be loyal to the state. A worst case scenario? That is nowhere near the worst possible case. Worst possible case is that this turns out not to have been the deranged actions of a lone gunman and, Ancestors Forbid, there's ties back to another organisation or Empire and then we have a war that makes the current border disagreements look like a nature ramble. Slightly better than that is that it only turns out to have been one, or a group, of the big Eight that were involved and the State is headed for a brutal Civil War. No, a temporary interruption of freedoms and a more active than normal Provist presence is pretty far from the worst thing that can happen.
Thanks for your response in further expanding the scope of the discussion of the situation. As I had stated earlier, you need to look past the images you are suppose to look at and wonder what is really happening. |
Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.12.01 05:18:00 -
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Here's hoping he expires quickly. He always rubbed me the wrong way. |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
86
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Posted - 2012.12.01 05:34:00 -
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Drinks on me for life for the shooter.
I'd offer them a job working for me if they hadn't failed to kill him outright. But the intent was there and it's good to reward effort. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
802
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Posted - 2012.12.01 07:38:00 -
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I was surprised when i heard it, will it give Heth or the State a "casus belli", you know politics. |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
36
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:19:00 -
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The sooner this two bit dictator is removed the better. I wish I could say I had a part in this. |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:27:00 -
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YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY!
Our dear CEO, the hearts and minds of your State are with you, please recover, we can't afford to lose you. |
Kalanaja
Dog Nation United PNG Associates
4
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:57:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:Here's hoping he expires quickly. He always rubbed me the wrong way.
What'd you do? Sleep with him? |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
643
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Posted - 2012.12.01 12:17:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY!
I assume you've evidence to this? Because I can think of several groups that want Heth dead, perhaps you should look within your own people.
Because there are those within the State who will profit greatly from his demise, bit like how he rose to overall control in the first place. How ironic. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.01 12:32:00 -
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I would gladly give my life to protect Tibus Heth, I really would like that assasin shot me instead. But, unfortunately, I wasn't here. And this is my fault as well. This is a fault of all Caldari, who wasn't there, who couldn't protect him.
Dear Executor! Please, forgive me, forgive us all! Our lives at your disposal!
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:45:00 -
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My thoughts go out to the Executor and to the families of other casualties of the events. I am sure that they will see some reimbursement for their losses and I trust that Tibus Heth will be kept in good care.
Compliments to the Provist guard who acted quickly under pressure.
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Vikarion
Blackened Steel
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Posted - 2012.12.01 15:29:00 -
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This is proof that it is perhaps time for Heth to consider removing himself from the day-to-day running of the State. His reforms were necessary, but it is also important that we remember that ultimate power does and should remain in the hands of the Big Eight. They can handle the reins of power, while Heth is but one man under far too large a strain.
Also, three killed and two hundred injured is remarkably low for a mass political rally with such a disturbance. Panicked crowds and collateral damage have sometimes run casualties into the hundreds or thousands at other rallies across the cluster. Only three killed shows a great amount of competency by the authorities and relative calm by the crowd. |
Vaun Erryk
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.12.01 15:59:00 -
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Hello there. I write this in the final few hours of a Capsule license; I felt it appropriate that I express these sentiments before it expires for a period of a few days, several weeks, or many months. I am, put simply, ignorant of how long I shall be absent from these particular circles.
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One cannot understate the tragedy of this event, and while I of course cannot personally assist our Executor, I have every hope that the medical innovations of the State will offer him a rapid recovery from this act of terror.
Thanks to the courage and +¬lan of those security forces who worked to apprehend the coward who would see our Executor assassinated, there is no doubt in my mind that punishment will be swift and effective, leaving him or her no opportunity to repeat yesterday's events.
However, that such a thing was permitted to happen leaves me concerned. Vigils and shows of respect are most certainly in order, but in light of an attempt on the Executor's life we must steel ourselves against threats from both within and without.
It has been said that the rise of the Executor and his Providence Directorate should "not be considered a call for a state of emergency". Regardless of one's stance on this, it seems reasonable that what has happened is considered as such. The CPD has offered itself as an security force for our State, and it is through them that we should guard ourselves against those amongst us who would threaten it. If there has been a time for turning a watchful eye inward and removing any who would seek to capitalise upon a potentially politically turbulent aftermath, it is now.
An attempt at assassination is not a sign that one need relinquish power. Indeed, the opposite: it is a sign that, at least for the time, greater control need be exercised lest similar attacks be made on others in positions of authority. Irrespective of what one thinks of the office of Executor and the existence of the Providence Directorate, to not react with corresponding increases in security and oversight would send an unfortunate message: if effected by a misguided group or individual within our State, it would suggest to them that their actions are fit for continuation or, indeed, acceptable; if an external body has caused this, it would indicate that we are content to see our leaders harmed.
Neither is the case.
Meanwhile, my faith in the Caldari Navy for protection from those who would, in error, assume us weakened for this tragedy is implicit - as is my faith in the media to select their programming wisely and tastefully in consideration of what has happened and where we now find ourselves. |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2012.12.01 17:07:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY! I assume you've evidence to this? Because I can think of several groups that want Heth dead, perhaps you should look within your own people. Because there are those within the State who will profit greatly from his demise, bit like how he rose to overall control in the first place. How ironic.
The verdict has been in on your deceitful, morally-vacuous race for some time. Found guilty by the Caldari people, the fate of the Gallente is sealed, our missiles will execute the sentence. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
643
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Posted - 2012.12.01 17:35:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY! I assume you've evidence to this? Because I can think of several groups that want Heth dead, perhaps you should look within your own people. Because there are those within the State who will profit greatly from his demise, bit like how he rose to overall control in the first place. How ironic. The verdict has been in on your deceitful, morally-vacuous race for some time. Found guilty by the Caldari people, the fate of the Gallente is sealed, our missiles will execute the sentence.
So that's a no then. Well you've a history of false ideas and jumping to conclusions, why break habits eh? Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.12.01 18:21:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY!
Our dear CEO, the hearts and minds of your State are with you, please recover, we can't afford to lose you.
Diana Kim wrote:I would gladly give my life to protect Tibus Heth, I really would like that assasin shot me instead. But, unfortunately, I wasn't here. And this is my fault as well. This is a fault of all Caldari, who wasn't there, who couldn't protect him.
Dear Executor! Please, forgive me, forgive us all! Our lives at your disposal!
Its stupid comments like this that make me concerned for the future of my race.
Here's hoping he dies, you jack-booted puppets. |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
132
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Posted - 2012.12.01 18:25:00 -
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Can anyone confirm or deny whether the second marksman was apprehended by the authorities? |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
89
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Posted - 2012.12.01 18:46:00 -
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Kalanaja wrote:Sakura Nihil wrote:Here's hoping he expires quickly. He always rubbed me the wrong way. What'd you do? Sleep with him?
Were that the case you'd be hearing about how Heth was fighting for his life against a case of gangrene brought on by extreme frostbite in his nether-regions. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.01 19:43:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote: Here's hoping he dies, you jack-booted puppets.
Do not expect mercy, dirty traitor! All enemies of the State will DIE! |
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Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
45
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Posted - 2012.12.01 19:49:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Sakura Nihil wrote: Here's hoping he dies, you jack-booted puppets.
Do not expect mercy, dirty traitor! All enemies of the State will DIE! Mercy is for the weak. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
643
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Posted - 2012.12.01 20:20:00 -
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Must say, reading the report again, the assassin not only got off a clear shot on Heth but then took out a dozen guards before being overpowered.
That's either one hell of an impressive assassin, or the Provist security forces aren't up to much these days. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Gottii
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.12.01 22:44:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Must say, reading the report again, the assassin not only got off a clear shot on Heth but then took out a dozen guards before being overpowered.
That's either one hell of an impressive assassin, or the Provist security forces aren't up to much these days.
Or certain individuals in the Provist security forces didnt try as hard as they might.
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
41
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:10:00 -
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Velarra wrote:Can anyone confirm or deny whether the second marksman was apprehended by the authorities?
/me looks for a grassy knoll near the speech stage on "Ishukone-maps." |
Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:33:00 -
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The Provist security team on the ground will have been hampered by many factors during their performance in what those who have studied such things would recognise was a nightmare scenario.
First, they would have had to have ensured the shooter could not take a second shot at their principal. This would need to be done before the Executor could be extracted from the field.
Secondly, they would have needed to extract their principal. This would need to take place BEFORE he was stablised medically and as quickly as possible, in case of follow up waves of assailants were on site.
Thirdly, they would have needed to neutralise the shooter. This would need to be done whilst ensuring that he was taken alive - simply killing him, whilst adequate for the needs of justice, would not provide the intelligence services with the data they need to determine the hand behind the attack.
Only once these three priorities were addressed would limiting collateral damage and casualties become a factor. You should know that most protection details in the Cluster train in much the same way. Very similar things would have occured if President Roden had been shot at a political rally.
I grieve for the families of those who were killed and I express my sympathies for those who, perhaps, suffered an adverse reaction to the stun projectiles used to cover the extraction of the Executor, or who were trampled in the confusion. I salute those security forces who lost their lives, no who spent their lives, in order that the shooter might be recovered alive for questioning.
To those in the State who share my shock at this attack, I say this; Now is the time for quiet introspection and for the continuing performance of our duties. We must all think well on what has happened while we are in the quiet eye of the storm because once we get to the other side of it events may make demands on us at very short notice.
Be Prepared. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:01:00 -
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It's nice to see the insanity twins, Pig and Kim, remaining true to form.
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
645
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:07:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Very similar things would have occured if President Roden had been shot at a political rally.
One could only hope for such a scenario... Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
47
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:52:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:We must all think well on what has happened while we are in the quiet eye of the storm because once we get to the other side of it events may make demands on us at very short notice.
Be Prepared. Probably the most reasonable and thoughtful comment I've heard from a State loyalist over the last day or two. |
Naraish Adarn
Fastfood for Fishies
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:55:00 -
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I hope quick recovery for Tibus Heth.
as for speculation on assassin origin i'd only have to say "truth resists simplicity" |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
463
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:06:00 -
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My heart and prayers go out to all the victims and families of the victims who have been impacted by the events of the past week. Hopefully, calm heads will prevail when deciding how the cluster moves forward.
Avlynka Surionen |
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