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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.12.02 14:45:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente Well, ok then. How do you see a solution of the problem in Luminaire?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
29
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Posted - 2012.12.02 14:56:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente Well, ok then. How do you see a solution of the problem in Luminaire?
Once relations normalise ALL Caldari will have free access to the Homeworld for the price of an Interbus ticket. Obviously the Caldari need to have a voice in the administration of the Homeworld, although the Gallente will probably require some sort of referendum for this.
For now, the Leviathan is an reminder that we WILL return. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1210
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:12:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Look, gallente-boy, I have no intention of accusing you in anything, neither desire to be in your company, nor to listen your 'supervaluable' ideas about piloting spaceships. Then don't post in the IGS, you moron. Can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen.
Diana Kim wrote:Play your damn games in doctors and flying instructors with your friends. I am NOT interested. All I want to say you is: GET LOST. I don't usually stoop to such low-brow discourse, but put simply - make me. Mane 614
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Vikarion
Blackened Steel
53
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:13:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente Well, ok then. How do you see a solution of the problem in Luminaire? Once relations normalise ALL Caldari will have free access to the Homeworld for the price of an Interbus ticket. Obviously the Caldari need to have a voice in the administration of the Homeworld, although the Gallente will probably require some sort of referendum for this. For now, the Leviathan is an reminder that we WILL return.
Last I checked, we HAD returned, we can access the homeworld as we like, and the Gallente can go take a flying leap onto spiked tritanium if they don't like it. The fewer Gallente on Caldari Prime the better, anyway - we ought to have a standing offer to buy them out and arrange new lives for them elsewhere in the Fed.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:14:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente Well, ok then. How do you see a solution of the problem in Luminaire? Once relations normalise ALL Caldari will have free access to the Homeworld for the price of an Interbus ticket. Obviously the Caldari need to have a voice in the administration of the Homeworld, although the Gallente will probably require some sort of referendum for this. For now, the Leviathan is an reminder that we WILL return. This is actually not a solution. This proposition implies that the ownership of the Caldari Prime will belong to Gallente. This is like, you know, a thief stole your ship, and tells you, that he will transport you on your former ship free of charge. The planet was our property, and it is our property, it was just occupied by gallentean forces. To allow them have it means to let the thief to away, to lose honor and face, and to betray our ancestors, who lived on this planet, and to betray heroes of the war.
The second problem is comes with administration. If the Caldari will have a 'voice', this will mean that we adopt highly inefficient gallentean management system, where solutions to crucial problems lay not on shoulders of professionals, but rather on common workers' and maids' desires. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
29
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:23:00 -
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*holds his hands up* Whoa, I'm not a diplomat! I'm simply accepting that there are likely to be issues getting the Gallente to completely sign off on handing back Caldari Prime when it lies in their home system. I'd prefer a complete hand-off to a conglomerate of Corporations too, but I'd be willing to accept Corporate control of Caldari enclaves on the planet and joint administration of Orbital space as a good starting point. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:30:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Look, gallente-boy, I have no intention of accusing you in anything, neither desire to be in your company, nor to listen your 'supervaluable' ideas about piloting spaceships. Then don't post in the IGS, you moron. Can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen. Diana Kim wrote:Play your damn games in doctors and flying instructors with your friends. I am NOT interested. All I want to say you is: GET LOST. I don't usually stoop to such low-brow discourse, but put simply - make me. Ah, so it burns. Can't take rejection that easy? Your throat squeezes from anger? Can't breathe? Go ahead, spill your bile for a couple of more posts. I told you everything already, and won't reply anymore. In a couple of posts it will disappear, and, maybe you will return to your, akhem, 'normal' life. The only thing that bothers me, is that after some time you will against start pestering me with your unhealthy ideas. I could have put an end to this misery. If you were a bit bolder than a local forum parrot, then I could show you what I do with gallentes, who dares to pester me in person. But until then I can only tell you NO and GET LOST. And for now, I will leave you with your anger... alone. Don't break your link, kid! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:34:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:*holds his hands up* Whoa, I'm not a diplomat! I'm simply accepting that there are likely to be issues getting the Gallente to completely sign off on handing back Caldari Prime when it lies in their home system. I'd prefer a complete hand-off to a conglomerate of Corporations too, but I'd be willing to accept Corporate control of Caldari enclaves on the planet and joint administration of Orbital space as a good starting point. I am not a diplomat too. But I have a neat trick to make diplomats more compliant during negotiations. You just place a shotgun on a table before you, and they are guaranteed to be listening to you more... attentively |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1210
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:44:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Ah, so it burns. Can't take rejection that easy? Your throat squeezes from anger? Can't breathe? Go ahead, spill your bile for a couple of more posts. "Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings."
Diana Kim wrote:The only thing that bothers me, is that after some time you will against start pestering me with your unhealthy ideas. Maybe you shouldn't post on the IGS and get the psychiatric assistance you so desperately need. You'd genuinely be happier.
Diana Kim wrote:I could have put an end to this misery. If you were a bit bolder than a local forum parrot, then I could show you what I do with gallentes, who dares to pester me in person. We were in the same system, within shooting distance of each other for at least an hour a couple of days back. Not my fault you didn't have the spine to make good on these threats.
Diana Kim wrote:But until then I can only tell you NO and GET LOST. And for now, I will leave you with your anger... alone. Don't break your link, kid! You do realise that you're not even convincing yourself with any of this, right? Mane 614
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Soltueur Company
228
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Posted - 2012.12.02 17:22:00 -
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Like, is the State ever going to show it has the capability of existing without having to endlessly compare itself to the Gallenteans? Before the war, we were too busy watching holoreels, doping ourselves up, engaging in virtual networks, insert popular stereotype here, to really give a **** about you guys.
Even the ones who paid attention to politics were more concerned with the Amarr Empire. Did you know, for the long-term, we actually consider the Amarr Empire, not the Caldari State, as the main rival to our Federation? Not to trivialize the very serious conflict going on right now or anything.
But, damn, we're not that great. I'm sure you can do fine without us. |
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Vikarion
Blackened Steel
55
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Posted - 2012.12.02 18:38:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:*holds his hands up* Whoa, I'm not a diplomat! I'm simply accepting that there are likely to be issues getting the Gallente to completely sign off on handing back Caldari Prime when it lies in their home system. I'd prefer a complete hand-off to a conglomerate of Corporations too, but I'd be willing to accept Corporate control of Caldari enclaves on the planet and joint administration of Orbital space as a good starting point.
I think the sentiment of the Caldari people, the Caldari State, and the Caldari Megacorporations is fairly clear: it's our planet, it was always rightfully our planet, and if the Gallente disagree, then they will find out what it is like for both Caldari and Gallente Prime to be rendered permanently uninhabitable.
Even the liberals among us have no intention of ceding an acre of Caldari Prime back to the Federation. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
898
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Posted - 2012.12.02 18:47:00 -
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Vikarion wrote: Even the liberals among us have no intention of ceding an acre of Caldari Prime back to the Federation.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1214
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Posted - 2012.12.02 18:54:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:and if the Gallente disagree, then they will find out what it is like for both Caldari and Gallente Prime to be rendered permanently uninhabitable.
Genocide and planetary desolation if you can't have your way?
My, that sounds distinctly familiar... Mane 614
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
43
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Posted - 2012.12.02 19:13:00 -
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Last time you knucle dragging, blind faith idiots all collectively had a knee jerk reaction you got a forklift driver appointed to run the Caldari State. Please don't and think for more than the 15 seconds of your average attention span. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
142
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Posted - 2012.12.02 19:41:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Vikarion wrote:and if the Gallente disagree, then they will find out what it is like for both Caldari and Gallente Prime to be rendered permanently uninhabitable. Genocide and planetary desolation if you can't have your way? My, that sounds distinctly familiar...
Oooh, is this the bit where Diana Kim quotes that Gallente Admiral to hurl that right back at you ?
You know, this quote: "They seek to fragment the Federation for their own selfish pride. Take their planet, strangle it and let's see how proud they stand after." - Vice Admiral Eisen Piroit, Addressing the Senate. CE 23154.11.28
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Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
51
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Posted - 2012.12.02 19:49:00 -
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Gorion Wassenar wrote:Last time you knucle dragging, blind faith idiots all collectively had a knee jerk reaction you got a forklift driver appointed to run the Caldari State. Please don't and think for more than the 15 seconds of your average attention span. As usual, Gor hits it on the head. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1214
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Posted - 2012.12.02 19:53:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Oooh, is this the bit where Diana Kim quotes that Gallente Admiral to hurl that right back at you ?
You know, this quote: "They seek to fragment the Federation for their own selfish pride. Take their planet, strangle it and let's see how proud they stand after." - Vice Admiral Eisen Piroit, Addressing the Senate. CE 23154.11.28
That was precisely my point. I can hardly be blamed if it sailed over your head as I expect it to sail over hers. Mane 614
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
142
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:01:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Oooh, is this the bit where Diana Kim quotes that Gallente Admiral to hurl that right back at you ? That was precisely my point. I can hardly be blamed if it sailed over your head as I expect it to sail over hers.
There are many points that could be made. Perhaps you're making the point that the Caldari have learned nothing from the 1st Bombardment of Caldari Prime, if they would think to bombard Gallente Prime ?
But I just wanted to see if Diana Kim was going to go apoplectic with rage, it's so entertaining. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1214
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:10:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:But I just wanted to see if Diana Kim was going to go apoplectic with rage, it's so entertaining.
I can agree with that. Mane 614
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
115
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:16:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:Gorion Wassenar wrote:Last time you knucle dragging, blind faith idiots all collectively had a knee jerk reaction you got a forklift driver appointed to run the Caldari State. Please don't and think for more than the 15 seconds of your average attention span. As usual, Gor hits it on the head.
The blind leading the blind... |
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Naraish Adarn
Fastfood for Fishies
20
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:43:00 -
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as i recall climate of Caldari prime tended to cool heads of those such as Diana as do certain colder areas of Achur. i find ms. Diana's call to arms towards Gallente not only lack of forethought but completely idiotic as well, we have no evidence that the assassin was of Gallente origin much less working under orders from one of those ever so busy black-ops teams they are so fond of. i suspect that me and few others might be on waiting stance if there's evidence of Gallente or some other party's participation to assassination of Tibus Heth i am more than willing to take part in the following retribution plan.
i rather not trash about with a sword like ms. Diana has habit of doing, rather i'd take a dagger to my enemies throat and end their miserable existence slowly and painfully.
ill wait CEP's statement before making a decision on the matter i'd advise ms. Diana to do the same. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
666
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Posted - 2012.12.02 23:01:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Do GalNet search for the definition of the term "useful idiot," Ms. Kim.
And then look in a mirror. Unfortunately, your gallentean practices are not applicable to just anyone. Especially to me. However, I wouldn't stop you from doing searches and looking in your mirror, disregarding how ridiculous your habits are, I don't mind you doing them. But when you bring your sh... stuff to us, either this, or your stupid democracy, criminal freedoms and egocentric hedonism, your nose will have a short, but memorable meeting with our boots. And have a nice jam. And you can have your used gallentish vans too.
Yeah, except that I'm Matarri, and no fan of the Gallente "culture."
(Their technology is another matter --I do so love my exploration-spec'ed Vexor'and Ishtar!)
Basic posting-history search skills, can we haz?
Next!
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They're former Prompt Delivery-built (or at least liveried of same at some point in their service-lives) vans, by the way. Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Vikarion
Blackened Steel
56
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Posted - 2012.12.03 00:03:00 -
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I'm what you might call a Patriot, but not insane. Nonetheless, there is a point from which a nation should not retreat. This entire war, indeed, our entire history of hostility with the Federation, is centered on the rights we claim to our homeworld. No reasonable Gallente would accept Gallente Prime being under Caldari occupation - all we claim are reciprocal rights, rights which the Gallente Federation has repeatedly denied.
We now own Caldari Prime, by right of ancestral claim and by conquest. It could have been negotiated, but the Federation refused any compromise, even though the State has never altered its claim to our homeworld. The unfairness of this is manifest by the following questions:
If the Minmatar occupied Amarr Prime, would not the Amarr demand it back? If the Caldari occupied Gallente Prime, would not the Federation demand it back? If the Amarr occupied Pator, would not the Minmatar demand it back?
But in this one circumstance, this one event, the Gallente Federation declares that it is an exception to all principles of fairness, of justice, and reason. This is a failing on their part. It doesn't matter how foul Heth might be, or how much they may dislike Caldari culture, here, the Federation is willfully blind to the rights of others.
And they have been so, to such an extent, that the only weapon we can use to ensure recognition of our right is a different sort of reciprocity - that of mutually assured destruction. If you will not recognize our rights, we will not recognize yours. Try to take our homeworld, and we will take yours. Bombard our populations - as you did! - and we will hold plasma cannons over yours. Now we may force you to be sane, and we are doing so.
This entire war - the entire conflict - boils down to Caldari Prime, both as symbol and substance. And, as such, it is entirely within the Federation's call as to when the war ends. It ends when the Federation recognizes the right of the State to secede and to possess its own worlds. The Federation has never accepted that, and until they do, there will be conflict. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
312
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Posted - 2012.12.03 04:34:00 -
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Pilot Vikarion the situation with the Caldari and Gallente is unique in that your home worlds inhabit the same system. You are celestial neighbors and share the history of founding the Federation together. Were the situations reversed how would the Caldari feel about having the Gallente appropriate a planet in the New Caldari system by force and park an Erebus and its doomsday device above it? What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:12:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:And they have been so, to such an extent, that the only weapon we can use to ensure recognition of our right is a different sort of reciprocity - that of mutually assured destruction. If you will not recognize our rights, we will not recognize yours. Try to take our homeworld, and we will take yours. Bombard our populations - as you did! - and we will hold plasma cannons over yours. Now we may force you to be sane, and we are doing so. I have a counter-proposition. Take over whole Luminaire and Algogille systems for the State, and to prevent any gallentean ideas to take them back, render all gallentean planets in Algogille and Luminaire inhabitable. Well, and leave Caldari Prime intact of course. And if they still will want to fight, bomb Villore as well. |
Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
56
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:11:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Vikarion wrote:And they have been so, to such an extent, that the only weapon we can use to ensure recognition of our right is a different sort of reciprocity - that of mutually assured destruction. If you will not recognize our rights, we will not recognize yours. Try to take our homeworld, and we will take yours. Bombard our populations - as you did! - and we will hold plasma cannons over yours. Now we may force you to be sane, and we are doing so. I have a counter-proposition. Take over whole Luminaire and Algogille systems for the State, and to prevent any gallentean ideas to take them back, render all gallentean planets in Algogille and Luminaire inhabitable. Well, and leave Caldari Prime intact of course. And if they still will want to fight, bomb Villore as well. This idea rates about a 9.5/10 on the stupid scale.
Did your parents drop you on your head at birth, or have the intelligences of tube children been scaled back to "better serve the State"? |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
316
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Posted - 2012.12.04 16:56:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:Diana Kim wrote: I have a counter-proposition. Take over whole Luminaire and Algogille systems for the State, and to prevent any gallentean ideas to take them back, render all gallentean planets in Algogille and Luminaire inhabitable. Well, and leave Caldari Prime intact of course. And if they still will want to fight, bomb Villore as well.
This idea rates about a 9.5/10 on the stupid scale. Did your parents drop you on your head at birth, or have the intelligences of tube children been scaled back to "better serve the State"?
Kim's "special" isn't she? Best to just ignore her because the more you argue with her the more outrageous things she says. She's about the worst troll on all of the IGS. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
906
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:32:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Vikarion wrote:And they have been so, to such an extent, that the only weapon we can use to ensure recognition of our right is a different sort of reciprocity - that of mutually assured destruction. If you will not recognize our rights, we will not recognize yours. Try to take our homeworld, and we will take yours. Bombard our populations - as you did! - and we will hold plasma cannons over yours. Now we may force you to be sane, and we are doing so. I have a counter-proposition. Take over whole Luminaire and Algogille systems for the State, and to prevent any gallentean ideas to take them back, render all gallentean planets in Algogille and Luminaire inhabitable. Well, and leave Caldari Prime intact of course. And if they still will want to fight, bomb Villore as well. This idea rates about a 9.5/10 on the stupid scale. Did your parents drop you on your head at birth, or have the intelligences of tube children been scaled back to "better serve the State"?
She's Achura. She isn't a Tube Child. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1220
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:41:00 -
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If she'd done even a smidgeon of research beforehand she'd know that there aren't any habitable planets in Algogille in the first place.
But this is Diana Kim's world, where facts and truth are neither neccessary or welcome. Mane 614
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
654
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:58:00 -
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What? Yes! I'm Caldari and I have two arms! |
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