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Samoth Egnoled
Mindstar Technology Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:34:00 -
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This may be really un-informed and wrong.....
But every time i think of America and their laws on guns, i think of this When the rich wage war, It's the poor who die.
Gank with your AltGäó
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Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
2633
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:37:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That is quite surprising given our pretty draconian gun legislation, looks like at least the Saiga-12 is available here, at what looks to be a seriously inflated price though, definitely something I'll look into if I ever decide to take up shooting again. Still I did <3 my Enfield, that was a serious bit of kit when you consider that it was designed in 1895. I've just done a little poking around on the net and it looks like only the so called "S" models with the factory mods were reclassified and since declassified after the massive gun kneejerk panic of the late 90's, people are still using both the standard and modded rifles for shooting competitions, no way of reactivating mine though, barrel was welded shut at the bolt and will have lost it's strength due to the heat involved .
The Enfield is a hell of a rifle. My grandfather had several on his farm that were "momentos" and he somehow managed to justify them as farm tools for hunting and pest control after the war.
When you think about how back in 1895 the rate of fire a well drilled rifle company could put out with these things it is truly amazing. I remember reading about accounts by German POWs in WW1 who thought they had come under machinegun fire from Royal Marines armed with Enfield rifles due to the rate of fire they were able to put out of them.
And the UKs gun laws are frankly pants. If I ever stike it rich and decide to go back I'm going to move to the Isle Of Mann so I can fulfil my passion of motorbikes, sport shooting and annoying the living hell out of Jeremy Clarkson. (Who is awesome, I just used to love annoying him when I was a student as I lived very close to Chipping Norton).
And Surfin` the Galil is a very solid rifle. I recommend you have a whirl with it if you're able. That or if you every get the opportunity the RK95. |
Zack Korth
The Deneveh Collective High Rollers
13
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:47:00 -
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Samoth Egnoled wrote:This may be really un-informed and wrong..... But every time i think of America and their laws on guns, i think of this
pretty accurate |
Miss Piggy
Piggy Love Shack
5
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:57:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Fist off it's you're and yes, I paid for the stupid thing I should get it then with no delay! I already own 2 handguns and a rifle if I wanted to shoot someone I'd do it with one of my firearms that I'm familiar with! It usually takes longer to wait in line to buy groceries than that. I agree with your second point about already having guns, but it's a little ridiculous that your upset over having to wait in line for such a short time. In the US it usually takes days or weeks to purchase a firearm.
None u.s clittyizen here and never bought a gun previously. Took approx 2hr to legally purchase my shiny ruger sr9 and coincidently never needed to use in self defence in the number of years i have been here.
General concern was shown by the gun shoppe owner at my inability to know which end was the hurty end but with some coaching and practice at the local sports park i am proficient enough not to shoot myself in my girl nads.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1899
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Posted - 2012.12.03 19:45:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:So today I bought a new Saiga (the .410 as I love shooting and it's cheaper than shooting those damn 12 gauge shotguns) and I had to stand around waiting for like 5 minutes till I could take it. Damn hippies and their stupid influence
lol
Haven't purchased a gun with paperwork for years. Somebody is always needing to make rent or get their car fixed.
Yeah, that's right, in America, in all but the most communistic states (the ones that just happen to have the most crime too) you can buy a gun from a neighbor without having a paper trail.
Semi-auto shotguns are being targeted by the ATF as "assault shotguns" and they are trying to reinterpret the rules in such manner that they would be banned - no laws from congress, no amendment, nothing. It's not another Obama usurpation either: it's been going on and they've been trying to do it since the Bush years.
They'll go onto all semi-autos too, but we're ready for that civil war.
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Serptimis
Reds in Local
50
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Posted - 2012.12.03 19:58:00 -
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Obligatory Simspons clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIpLd0WQKCY |
Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
474
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:00:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ahh guns, not available to the general population in the UK, well not without jumping through blazing hoops of fire, having fisticuffs with bureaucracy and even then you're restricted to pretty much peashooters. I grew up on military bases, was using the range as a child with a .22, progressed onto the military stuff like the Bren and the L1A1 as a teenager in the cadets. I used to shoot competitively with a .303 Lee Enfield SMLE and had a firearms licence up until some muppet decided he was going to wipe out a load of school kids in Scotland. After that it became nigh on impossible to renew a firearms licence without showing good cause, all handguns became illegal and a rifle that was factory modified with a cheek rest and a 3.5x telescopic sight was most definitley a big nono, I still have the rifle, it had to be deactivated (sacrilege for a rare gun), because it became classified as a military specification firearm, even though the last time the .303 with that spec was used in warfare was probably the Korean War. What do they do to 'deactivate' a firearm? .303 Lee Enfield, I'd love to have one of those. My friend had one and he really praised it for its accuracy. He attributed the accuracy to the bolt action, which makes something like a solid block behind the cartridge. No springiness in the action, like a semi-auto would have. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3972
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:31:00 -
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Telegram Sam wrote: What do they do to 'deactivate' a firearm? .303 Lee Enfield, I'd love to have one of those. My friend had one and he really praised it for its accuracy. He attributed the accuracy to the bolt action, which makes something like a solid block behind the cartridge. No springiness in the action, like a semi-auto would have.
Here it consists of removing the firing pin, beating a metal plug in the barrel and then welding it shut, occasionally they'll also make modifications with a grinder to parts of the receiver and remove some rifling from the barrel so that it's beyond repair.
I can purchase replacement parts such as a barrel, bolt, firing pin etc, but the legal ramifications & cost of doing so to reactivate a previously deactivated weapon makes it not worth my while. After all that, I'd still have to apply for a new firearms licence, invest in a gun safe, etc.
Seeing as Imgur is throwing a wobbly, hotlinking is a go
This is basically what mine looks like, mine has the cheek rest and scope whichwere only added to the most accurate weapons at the factory, they were used for sniper duty and are as the saying goes rare as rocking horse poo.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1899
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:34:00 -
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By the way, while I am not such for "I want that" reactions when looking at guns and women (because both are expensive and dangerous ) Here is something that I actually considered pawning off some old heat to make room for.
I ALMOST CREAMED MY SHORTS!!!!!!!! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3972
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:52:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:By the way, while I am not such for "I want that" reactions when looking at guns and women (because both are expensive and dangerous ) Here is something that I actually considered pawning off some old heat to make room for. I ALMOST CREAMED MY SHORTS!!!!!!!!
No almost about it, damn that looks sweet, not to mention that it wouldn't be out of place in a scifi FPS
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others. |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3918
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:31:00 -
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lol Kel-Tec "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
ashley Eoner
62
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:01:00 -
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Miss Piggy wrote:Lugia3 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Fist off it's you're and yes, I paid for the stupid thing I should get it then with no delay! I already own 2 handguns and a rifle if I wanted to shoot someone I'd do it with one of my firearms that I'm familiar with! It usually takes longer to wait in line to buy groceries than that. I agree with your second point about already having guns, but it's a little ridiculous that your upset over having to wait in line for such a short time. In the US it usually takes days or weeks to purchase a firearm. None u.s clittyizen here and never bought a gun previously. Took approx 2hr to legally purchase my shiny ruger sr9 and coincidently never needed to use in self defence in the number of years i have been here. General concern was shown by the gun shoppe owner at my inability to know which end was the hurty end but with some coaching and practice at the local sports park i am proficient enough not to shoot myself in my girl nads. Depending on where you live it can take anywhere from 20 minutes to months to buy a gun. When I lived in Illinois it took me several months just to get my foid card. Once you get your FOID card you can then buy a gun which you will then have to wait for because of waiting periods..
@Herzog Wolfhammer "Communism" has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's mere delusions on the part of the politicians who want to look like they are doing something so they pass ill conceived laws and then boast about being tough on crime to their constitutes which includes you and I...
The ATF's instability is what is pressuring me into getting a s12 asap before any stupid rule changes. Here's a prime example as to why experienced gun owners either facepalm or laugh when the ATF is brought up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sWiZ8BizI
Yes he really did try to put the magazine in backwards despite the obvious visual cues..
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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:17:00 -
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If you like AK-47 clones you will want yugo version.It will go under firm "Zastava" that is Serbian firm and by far they are making best AK-47 clones and better than Russian version.
I used that gun in my three deployments and never ever it had any problem with it.Recoil is a bit pain but it never let you down,simply you can do what ever you want with that gun and go water ,mud name it and it will shoot as nothing happened.
I think on USA soil it is called Yugo M70AB1 (AKM) ,cause your sellers use different names like for example EZ9 pistol that is used by our special forces and police by name CZ99 (also if you look great gun for low prize ).
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ashley Eoner
62
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:41:00 -
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Ana Fox wrote:If you like AK-47 clones you will want yugo version.It will go under firm "Zastava" that is Serbian firm and by far they are making best AK-47 clones and better than Russian version.
I used that gun in my three deployments and never ever it had any problem with it.Recoil is a bit pain but it never let you down,simply you can do what ever you want with that gun and go water ,mud name it and it will shoot as nothing happened.
I think on USA soil it is called Yugo M70AB1 (AKM) ,cause your sellers use different names like for example EZ9 pistol that is used by our special forces and police by name CZ99 (also if you look great gun for low prize ).There is also PAP version that is just for big sales and have mag issues since for some reason in US version come withe Korean or Bulgarian magazines that are not original (we use metal magazines ),even that rifle looks cool M70AB1. That's debatable to say the least. I've seen plenty of Yugos that I would never classify as the best. Most people agree that the pre-ban chicom ak47s are the highest quality.
Personally so far I'd call it a wash between the quality of my saiga and the few nice yugos I've seen.
Of course there's also those that believe the VEPRs are higher quality then the SAIGAs..
IMy SAIGA has shot +600 rounds of walmart stuff without issues. While I do prefer to mail order golden tiger or such I'm not always able to get the money up for such a large purchase. So sometimes I stick to grabbing a few boxes at walmart when heading to the range with friends. |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:53:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Ana Fox wrote:If you like AK-47 clones you will want yugo version.It will go under firm "Zastava" that is Serbian firm and by far they are making best AK-47 clones and better than Russian version.
I used that gun in my three deployments and never ever it had any problem with it.Recoil is a bit pain but it never let you down,simply you can do what ever you want with that gun and go water ,mud name it and it will shoot as nothing happened.
I think on USA soil it is called Yugo M70AB1 (AKM) ,cause your sellers use different names like for example EZ9 pistol that is used by our special forces and police by name CZ99 (also if you look great gun for low prize ).There is also PAP version that is just for big sales and have mag issues since for some reason in US version come withe Korean or Bulgarian magazines that are not original (we use metal magazines ),even that rifle looks cool M70AB1. That's debatable to say the least. I've seen plenty of Yugos that I would never classify as the best. Most people agree that the pre-ban chicom ak47s are the highest quality. Personally so far I'd call it a wash between the quality of my saiga and the few nice yugos I've seen. Of course there's also those that believe the VEPRs are higher quality then the SAIGAs..
I used various versions and I am not biased about guns.I just say my personal expiriance.Problem with Yugo rifles is that mags are not original in some cases.For example Yugo M70AB2 if you get it with original mags is just sick,but if you get mags from other eastern EU countries it can jam.
I dont say saiga is bad I just say this can come with lower price ,since our economy is crap and we offer them by lower prices for exports.Ex Yugoslavia had great factories for small guns and in most cases they were on par with original models and not rare in some cases even better.
We cant own this kind of guns on permit in Serbia and our laws for guns are harsh (by new laws even hand guns are pain in ass to get permit) ,only hunting rifles and you can have and only if you pass serious amount of tests or know someone in police.But since I was in army when wars on balkan was up I sadly had chance to use those guns and they are I must say good. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3919
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:53:00 -
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Went for my second range day with my Saiga today... the 2 12" shells are too small for the magazine so I can only load and fire one at a time but I figured out the problem and it's easily fixed.
That being said I really hate the AK action... it's loud and makes grinding noises, also it makes me feel dirty when I field strip the weapon to clean it. This is a design for the unwashed poor people of the world
*Edit: and it always cuts open my right hand! Today it got the index finger, last time it was the thumb "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
486
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:16:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:By the way, while I am not such for "I want that" reactions when looking at guns and women (because both are expensive and dangerous ) Here is something that I actually considered pawning off some old heat to make room for. I ALMOST CREAMED MY SHORTS!!!!!!!! that's actually quite an interesting design for a 12-gauge. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3919
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:19:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:By the way, while I am not such for "I want that" reactions when looking at guns and women (because both are expensive and dangerous ) Here is something that I actually considered pawning off some old heat to make room for. I ALMOST CREAMED MY SHORTS!!!!!!!! that's actually quite an interesting design for a 12-gauge.
It's just a bullpup "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
ashley Eoner
62
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:34:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Went for my second range day with my Saiga today... the 2 1/2" shells are too small for the magazine so I can only load and fire one at a time but I figured out the problem and it's easily fixed. That being said I really hate the AK action... it's loud and makes grinding noises, also it makes me feel dirty when I field strip the weapon to clean it. This is a design for the unwashed poor people of the world *Edit: and it always cuts open my right hand! Today it got the index finger, last time it was the thumb My AK action came smooth from the factory. You might want to polish the rails guides bolt and hammer face. There's a variety of videos showing how to do so. I prefer to lube my AK like the guy in the following link except I also use a thin layer of breakfree CLP first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSjE_nEFa0c
My action is smoother then some AR actions I've seen at the range.
I'm beginning to think you have a problem AK that needs some serious loving. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3920
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:38:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Went for my second range day with my Saiga today... the 2 1/2" shells are too small for the magazine so I can only load and fire one at a time but I figured out the problem and it's easily fixed. That being said I really hate the AK action... it's loud and makes grinding noises, also it makes me feel dirty when I field strip the weapon to clean it. This is a design for the unwashed poor people of the world *Edit: and it always cuts open my right hand! Today it got the index finger, last time it was the thumb My AK action came smooth from the factory. You might want to polish the rails guides bolt and hammer face. There's a variety of videos showing how to do so. I prefer to lube my AK like the guy in the following link except I also use a thin layer of breakfree CLP first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSjE_nEFa0cMy action is smoother then some AR actions I've seen at the range. I'm beginning to think you have a problem AK that needs some serious loving.
Keep in mind this is my first AK style weapon... I fired them in the middle east but those belonged to some guys that weren't alive anymore to claim them.
I'll work it out "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3921
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:01:00 -
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The next test....
yeah, anything that starts out with "The **** that I am about to attempt is extremely stupid and dangerous...." means I gotta do it better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mskbs462iw "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
877
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:12:00 -
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But those guns are heavy, and it takes awhile to find the keys to open the case to them. Plus tips always help to lower the wait time. :) I'm not shitposting. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3921
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:15:00 -
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It was on the wall, and it weighs about 7 lbs.
Though the guy did have to reach up a little to get it down "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3975
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:21:00 -
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Ana Fox wrote:If you like AK-47 clones you will want yugo version.It will go under firm "Zastava" that is Serbian firm and by far they are making best AK-47 clones and better than Russian version.
I used that gun in my three deployments and never ever it had any problem with it.Recoil is a bit pain but it never let you down,simply you can do what ever you want with that gun and go water ,mud name it and it will shoot as nothing happened ( and I used various guns from H&K to SAR).
I think on USA soil it is called Yugo M70AB1 (AKM) ,cause your sellers use different names like for example EZ9 pistol that is used by our special forces and police by name CZ99 (also if you look great gun for low prize ). There is also PAP version that is just for big sales and have mag issues since for some reason in US version come withe Korean or Bulgarian magazines that are not original (we use metal magazines ),even that rifle looks cool M70AB1.Also it seems that Walmart ammo is not in love with that rifle ,due low quality of ammo casings in general stores.
Yugo/Zastava did themselves no favours in the west with their take on obsolete Fiats, I know that in the UK they were despised and the butt of more jokes than pre VW Skodas (some of which were actually pretty good, I had a 110R as my first car, most fun I've had with my pants on, especially in the wet as it was just a tad tail happy)
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others. |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
283
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:01:00 -
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I have a super soaker 3000.
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ashley Eoner
62
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:23:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:I have a super soaker 3000. Woa dude that's a little extreme don't you think? Are you trying to compensate for something?!!/?
Quote: Keep in mind this is my first AK style weapon... I fired them in the middle east but those belonged to some guys that weren't alive anymore to claim them.
I'll work it out Blink
yeah those aren't too well taken care of usually.. Assuming there's nothing really wrong with your gun then you probably just need to put a couple thousand rounds through it. The more you shoot it the smoother it'll get. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3930
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:41:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Assuming there's nothing really wrong with your gun then you probably just need to put a couple thousand rounds through it. The more you shoot it the smoother it'll get.
I figured out the problem... for some unknown-to-me reason the 410 round comes in 3 lengths... the 2.5," the 2 3/4," and the 3"
The range only sells the 2.5" and I have a 3" chamber so the magazine that came with it is for 3" shells... my high cap (15 rounds) magazine is for 2 3/4" shells so that totally explains the feed problem I was having. "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2012.12.04 04:38:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Assuming there's nothing really wrong with your gun then you probably just need to put a couple thousand rounds through it. The more you shoot it the smoother it'll get. I figured out the problem... for some unknown-to-me reason the 410 round comes in 3 lengths... the 2.5," the 2 3/4," and the 3" The range only sells the 2.5" and I have a 3" chamber so the magazine that came with it is for 3" shells... my high cap (15 rounds) magazine is for 2 3/4" shells so that totally explains the feed problem I was having. This might explain some: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/22377-different-shell-sizes/#entry195188
Also, in the world of guns and ammo: 3" = ~76mm 2 3/4" = 2.75" = 70mm 2-+" = 65mm Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
486
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:05:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Grimpak wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:By the way, while I am not such for "I want that" reactions when looking at guns and women (because both are expensive and dangerous ) Here is something that I actually considered pawning off some old heat to make room for. I ALMOST CREAMED MY SHORTS!!!!!!!! that's actually quite an interesting design for a 12-gauge. It's just a bullpup still interesting. I wonder if with some modding you can expand the storage barrels... [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:40:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Grimpak wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:By the way, while I am not such for "I want that" reactions when looking at guns and women (because both are expensive and dangerous ) Here is something that I actually considered pawning off some old heat to make room for. I ALMOST CREAMED MY SHORTS!!!!!!!! that's actually quite an interesting design for a 12-gauge. It's just a bullpup still interesting. I wonder if with some modding you can expand the storage barrels... I think it is more of a liability issue. If you extend the tube magazine forward, and you go too far forward, when you shoot the ammo loaded with shot (instead of slug), the shot spreads out and might hit this long tube magazine, worst case scenario is that it might detonate the ammo in the magazine. I think that is why all the tube magazines that I have seen so far end where the barrel ends. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
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