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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.05 08:23:00 -
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I find it quite disappointing that a new direction was coming to Eve... Incarna, the BIG FUTURE of the Eve experience, now downgraded to a meagre "side game"... NEX for Neural Remaps... now a topic never to be raised... yet it was something that was to be coming... players even want more remaps...
What happened to being Fearless? What happened to the so called "innovation"?
Has the metric that puts World of Darkness at risk been hit?
What happened to "stay the course"?
What do we get in Winter? More of the same.. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
145
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Posted - 2011.10.05 08:26:00 -
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Well we will get one thing in winter...
... more tears. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
60
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Posted - 2011.10.05 08:27:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Well we will get one thing in winter...
... more tears.
From us or from CCP :) |
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CCP Xhagen
C C P
59
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Posted - 2011.10.05 09:20:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I find it quite disappointing that a new direction was coming to Eve... Incarna, the BIG FUTURE of the Eve experience, now downgraded to a meagre "side game"... NEX for Neural Remaps... now a topic never to be raised... yet it was something that was to be coming... players even want more remaps...
What happened to being Fearless? What happened to the so called "innovation"?
Has the metric that puts World of Darkness at risk been hit?
What happened to "stay the course"?
What do we get in Winter? More of the same..
NEX is boring, all shirts and boots, and eye holes... Big deal... Where is the cool stuff to play with in the NEX store? Eve is about Toys in our sandpit... NEX has no toys. I think I'm the last person I expected to be talking about the company values - don't get me wrong, something like that was needed when CCP was growing by 200 people per year, but having two degrees in Philosophy, those types of words always make me cringe.
That being said, being fearless shouldn't mean that one is reckless. Innovation is being done, sometimes it just takes time. I have no idea about putting other projects at risk and staying a course that most, if not all, agree is not the right one should be called reckless.
What we in Iceland get in winter is usually snow... (yeah, I know, bad post). You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up. CCP Xhagen | CSM Project Manager |
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
11
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Posted - 2011.10.05 09:22:00 -
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Miilla wrote: NEX for Neural Remaps... now a topic never to be raised... yet it was something that was to be coming... players even want more remaps... Some players wanted NEX for more remaps. Real Eve players want anything but, as it violates CCP's stated "no p2w" policy. |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.05 09:27:00 -
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Actually its good that senior management has changed course at least in word. We'll actually see what they do. I don't like the rebalancing it just ensures more rebalancing as there are always unforeseen consequences. Better to create new weapons and defenses just like real military would do.
Truth is whoever rolled out the CQ in its present form made about the biggest marketing blunder you can do. The people that might of come and stayed because of WiS tried it and left, it'll be harder to get them to try it again. They should never have rolled it out until you could interact with others, but they needed to alpha test it for WoD, so they pushed it out thinking all would be well but in the last 2 years much of the love once held for the devs I've seen erode. Changing course might well fix it. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.10.05 09:30:00 -
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CCP Xhagen wrote:You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up.
That 'watch this space' thing is getting old really fast. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
152
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Posted - 2011.10.05 09:48:00 -
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CCP has earned at least some respect back at least from me, for actually somewhat admitting that things aren't going well development wise and plan on making a change. Most companies won't subdue to that type of humility until its too late. However words are just words, they don't mean much in the end. Its what CCP does that counts in the end, and we will see if that happens.
Taking a step back from things like NeX and holding off on going all out on Incarna is good. Since NeX for the most part is useless until the multi player aspect of Incarna is implemented, and Incarna itself seems rushed and needs a lot of fine tuning. Not to mention the multitude of issues that are plagueing the core aspect of the game. |
Phekal Matters
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 09:49:00 -
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CCP Xhagen wrote:You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up.
KK tell you what. Imma go have a 3 month nap, forget about EVE for a while and do something productive with my life, and you just send me an email when you sort your **** out. Mmmkay? But I'll be f*cked if I'm going to sit around "watching space" waiting for you to pull your **** together.
You just let me know when you're ready. |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
282
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:24:00 -
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Millia in derivative obvious whine troll thread shocker. Don't watch this space :eyeroll: GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |
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Nel Gardier
Time Sync
8
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:24:00 -
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The OP has a point around CCP changing course (regardless of your support for either direction) and how it's a fairly obvious backpedal based on previous statements - actions not words etc.
I think the course currently is largely being driven by stats similar to the all time PCU chart to be blunt.
It's unlikely that CCP ever predicted infinite player growth, however I'm tipping they didn't go and sell a vision of a steady and prolonged drop in player numbers to investors.
Just a basic look at the numbers shows PCU could be in '07 territory by next release if current trends continue.
I would love to see some of the detailed stats CCP must have such as minutes connected per session, number of market orders executed etc. Be more of an indicator of player interest that bored pilots looking at "Door" wondering whether to resub or not. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
60
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:25:00 -
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Reckless eh?
That means we DID hit that metric that makes WoD an issue :) |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
135
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:15:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:CCP Xhagen wrote:You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up. That 'watch this space' thing is getting old really fast.
Hey I said the exact same thing 2 weeks ago!
Edit: When I first try to enter this thread I got a "We got ganked" screen, when I noticed it was a miila thread though I wasn't surprised. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Zey Nadar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:22:00 -
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Phekal Matters wrote:
KK tell you what. Imma go have a 3 month nap, forget about EVE for a while and do something productive with my life, and you just send me an email when you sort your **** out. Mmmkay? But I'll be f*cked if I'm going to sit around "watching space" waiting for you to pull your **** together.
And especially pay for it. |
Vicar2008
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
34
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:26:00 -
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The Fearless pdf has probably been back burned for risk of a leaked edition, incase us the riot mob get hold off and burn stuff aka Jita objects get restless again. |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:37:00 -
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When I watched "this space" this played in my mind.
Ooh ooh
We're no strangers to love You know the rules and so do I A full commitment's what I'm thinking of You wouldn't get this from any other guy I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've known each other for so long Your heart's been aching but You're too shy to say it Inside we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it And if you ask me how I'm feeling Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
(Ooh, give you up) (Ooh, give you up) (Ooh) Never gonna give, never gonna give (Give you up) (Ooh) Never gonna give, never gonna give (Give you up)
We've know each other for so long Your heart's been aching but You're too shy to say it Inside we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you |
Gealbhan
36
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:50:00 -
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I'd like tactical armor, weps and vehicles to be available in the nex store for pletary wars ala halo style. If it ever worked you could have alliances fighting eachother for planet/facility control on the surface.
A combination of =v=, WH40K & Halo all rolled into one... never-gonna-happen. But it would rock. |
Vicar2008
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
34
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:52:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:I'd like tactical armor, weps and vehicles to be available in the nex store for pletary wars ala halo style. If it ever worked you could have alliances fighting eachother for planet/facility control on the surface.
A combination of =v=, WH40K & Halo all rolled into one... never-gonna-happen. But it would rock.
Wait Dust..................... ok Buy a PS-ú and buy Dust514 aka Winner |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
60
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:54:00 -
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Dust is the new name for Eve :)
The worlds emptiest online game universe.
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Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:54:00 -
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CCP Xhagen wrote:Miilla wrote:I find it quite disappointing that a new direction was coming to Eve... Incarna, the BIG FUTURE of the Eve experience, now downgraded to a meagre "side game"... NEX for Neural Remaps... now a topic never to be raised... yet it was something that was to be coming... players even want more remaps...
What happened to being Fearless? What happened to the so called "innovation"?
Has the metric that puts World of Darkness at risk been hit?
What happened to "stay the course"?
What do we get in Winter? More of the same..
NEX is boring, all shirts and boots, and eye holes... Big deal... Where is the cool stuff to play with in the NEX store? Eve is about Toys in our sandpit... NEX has no toys. I think I'm the last person I expected to be talking about the company values - don't get me wrong, something like that was needed when CCP was growing by 200 people per year, but having two degrees in Philosophy, those types of words always make me cringe. That being said, being fearless shouldn't mean that one is reckless. Innovation is being done, sometimes it just takes time. I have no idea about putting other projects at risk and staying a course that most, if not all, agree is not the right one should be called reckless. What we in Iceland get in winter is usually snow... (yeah, I know, bad post). You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up.
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Gealbhan
36
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:57:00 -
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Vicar2008 wrote:Gealbhan wrote:I'd like tactical armor, weps and vehicles to be available in the nex store for pletary wars ala halo style. If it ever worked you could have alliances fighting eachother for planet/facility control on the surface.
A combination of =v=, WH40K & Halo all rolled into one... never-gonna-happen. But it would rock. Wait Dust..................... ok Buy a PS-ú and buy Dust514 aka Winner
Yup I'll be buying Dust when it comes out. can't wait tbh. |
Andrea Jars
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:58:00 -
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Miilla wrote:NEX is boring, all shirts and boots, and eye holes... Big deal... Where is the cool stuff to play with in the NEX store? Eve is about Toys in our sandpit... NEX has no toys.
The NEX isn't about toys for in the sandbox nor should it ever become that way.
First a large part of the community makes a bit uproar about the hint of gold ammo in NEX stores and CCP get's mails and other internal documents made public by certain people which fuels the uproar.
The fire get's doused after long and hard conversations and emergency meetings but although the fire is doused the ground it festered on still smolderst.
NEX has no and should never have any ingame influence towards, ships, modules, ammo OR characters. Even the idea of buying remaps for Aurum is an ingame interference for real cash.
If you want toys Miilla I suggest to go to the NEXtdoor "TOYshop" and get yourself some TOY's there.
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
60
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Posted - 2011.10.05 12:03:00 -
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There will be no gold ammo, however players already get remaps yearly, they just want them more frequently as is/was the plan by using PLEX for remaps, now that changed to be AUR for remaps.
We already have play to win, via PLEX, which is a good thing, now I get to play eve with OTHER numpties paying for my gametime :)
The problem with eve is the amount of time it takes to get anywhere, 30 days training, in other words pay 15 Euros to set a 30 day skill, then bugger off to a competitor product and play it actively, is just plain ridiculous.
Remaps solved a some of that, people make mistakes in mapping, because their gameplay changes. Remaps in NEX will not make a BIG game difference and is not pay to win just as PLEX is not pay to win.
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Andrea Jars
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 12:52:00 -
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First it's remaps for AUR, then the other things slowly trickle in.
People with a bigger wallet will get an even bigger advantage over those with smaller wallets.
Remap once per year could be set to remap once per 6 months by CCP. But being able to buy a remap whenever suits someone is utter crap, same as with the rest of EVE one has to live with the choices one makes, this also includes your mapping.
Being able to buy remaps is something which is gamechanging and that is what nobody wanted, so the hypocretes who now call out for paid remaps after yelling loudly for no gmechanging stuff in the NEX store are just a bunch of blindsided idiots who never grasped the reason as why there even was an uproar.
And yes Miilla, for me you are an idiot with a tunnelvision. People like you are the reason that first there are small chnges which trickle into other changes and in the end we still end up with the crap we (including you) protested against.
So pull your head out of that dark place where you so happily stuck it and get a whiff of reality instead of selling crap for roses.
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Bloody Wench
23
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:05:00 -
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Miilla wrote:There will be no gold ammo, however players already get remaps yearly, they just want them more frequently as is/was the plan by using PLEX for remaps, now that changed to be AUR for remaps. We already have play to win, via PLEX, which is a good thing, now I get to play eve with OTHER numpties paying for my gametime :) The problem with eve is the amount of time it takes to get anywhere, 30 days training, in other words pay 15 Euros to set a 30 day skill, then bugger off to a competitor product and play it actively, is just plain ridiculous. Remaps solved a some of that, people make mistakes in mapping, because their gameplay changes. Remaps in NEX will not make a BIG game difference and is not pay to win just as PLEX is not pay to win. AUR for Remaps in NEX will not cause mass quitting , just as PLEX didn't. http://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.htmlwe got past mass rage and now onto acceptance, in fact people now want it.
I can't believe I'm going to do this... +1 for Miilla |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
200
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:08:00 -
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I hate to repeat myself but Milla needs yellow text :) Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:15:00 -
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Andrea Jars wrote:First it's remaps for AUR, then the other things slowly trickle in.
People with a bigger wallet will get an even bigger advantage over those with smaller wallets.
Remap once per year could be set to remap once per 6 months by CCP. But being able to buy a remap whenever suits someone is utter crap, same as with the rest of EVE one has to live with the choices one makes, this also includes your mapping.
Being able to buy remaps is something which is gamechanging and that is what nobody wanted, so the hypocretes who now call out for paid remaps after yelling loudly for no gmechanging stuff in the NEX store are just a bunch of blindsided idiots who never grasped the reason as why there even was an uproar.
And yes Miilla, for me you are an idiot with a tunnelvision. People like you are the reason that first there are small chnges which trickle into other changes and in the end we still end up with the crap we (including you) protested against.
So pull your head out of that dark place where you so happily stuck it and get a whiff of reality instead of selling crap for roses.
In case you missed that Fearless THREADNAUGHT, I was the one that started the BIG YELLOW QUESTION that was asked over and over and over again and even by the CSM in the news interview on Eve Radio.
People won't be buying remaps daily or weekly, most likely every few months, it will have LITTLE effect on gameplay, I myself have over 55m Skill Points, this will help the new players past the most frustrating and most likely for them to quit part of the game.
Sure they can buy a character, again that is pay to win, no? But perhaps they want to do it on their own, I did.
What people don't want is NEX only SHIPs and Guns and Ammo and BIG SKILL PACKS to ADD as they see fit.
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Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:15:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I find it quite disappointing that a new direction was coming to Eve... Incarna, the BIG FUTURE of the Eve experience, now downgraded to a meagre "side game"... NEX for Neural Remaps... now a topic never to be raised... yet it was something that was to be coming... players even want more remaps...
What happened to being Fearless? What happened to the so called "innovation"?
Has the metric that puts World of Darkness at risk been hit?
What happened to "stay the course"?
What do we get in Winter? More of the same..
NEX is boring, all shirts and boots, and eye holes... Big deal... Where is the cool stuff to play with in the NEX store? Eve is about Toys in our sandpit... NEX has no toys.
you realize theres no real way for them to win right? If they dont "stay the course" they start the slippery slope of giving in to their customers' demands. It removes the directional decisions from their hands to the players' an Ill bet you more than EVE is worth that they dont want that.
**** FiS Its Called EVE |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
62
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:20:00 -
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Which also brings up another question, when do we get to spend our AUR on convience items such as more slots? Again this is NOT a pay to win feature in NEX, if people want more server storage, go spend your AUR, You can always keep it client side still. Quite easy to automate deleting existing fits slots and importing new EFT fits if you really want to.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
92
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:22:00 -
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Fearful is good.
Think before you act.
Consider the consequences of your actions.
Act like adults. |
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