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Surfin's PlunderBunny
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Posted - 2012.12.04 04:29:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:When they made Wrath of Khan, only hardcore fans knew who he even was. When they made Wrath of Khan, there was no internet and my house was one of 4 in the village which had colour television...with 3 channels. AK
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.04 04:40:00 -
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With that Ferris Wheel by the river, I am guessing London. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.04 05:28:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:With that Ferris Wheel by the river, I am guessing London.
I see the the gherkin too. Its London. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:02:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:That wasn't me as I was born in '83 Still don't know who he was
It's still hard to grasp for me that people were being born when I was finishing my Senior year in HS. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:04:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:With that Ferris Wheel by the river, I am guessing London.
Or mayhaps San Francisco gets one before the 23rd Century. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Kirjava
E X C E P T I O N
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Caleidascope wrote:With that Ferris Wheel by the river, I am guessing London. I see the the gherkin too. Its London.
First Mass Effect 3, now Star Trek.
Guys, I'm sure we have no plans to conquer the entire planet... Again....
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:43:00 -
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Yessss ... also ... Khan? Really? Khan?
Evil dictator from the eugenic wars, enslaver and destroyer of millions?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:52:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Yessss ... also ... Khan? Really? Khan?
Evil dictator from the eugenic wars, enslaver and destroyer of millions?
Actually, this would have been the worst idea.
Montalban's towering performance here is too iconic for just anyone to step into the shoes....much less the Cumberbatch fellow who does indeed play the villain.
An actor can upstage an already iconic performance as Heath Ledger did to Nicholson's take on the Joker.
But Richard Cumberbatch is no Heath Ledger.
edit: also the synopsis says villlain was a member of Starfleet as shown above......ipso facto not Khan. I wouldn't want to see that hypothetical film anyway.
And if it is Gary Mitchell......will we see Sally Kellerman's character as well........ RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:56:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Brujo Loco wrote:Yessss ... also ... Khan? Really? Khan?
Evil dictator from the eugenic wars, enslaver and destroyer of millions?
Actually, this would have been the worst idea. Montalban's towering performance here is too iconic for just anyone to step into the shoes....much less the Cumberbatch fellow who does indeed play the villain. An actor can upstage an already iconic performance as Heath Ledger did to Nicholson's take on the Joker. But Richard Cumberbatch is no Heath Ledger. edit: also the synopsis says villlain was a member of Starfleet as shown above......ipso facto not Khan. I wouldn't want to see that hypothetical film anyway. And if it is Gary Mitchell......will we see Sally Kellerman's character as well........
Many people didn't believe Hedger was good either, untill they saw the finished movie. Even after his suicide they said he was going to suck...
I wouldn't count Cumpterbach out yet. I only know him from Sherlock but there he was pretty damn good. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:59:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:
I wouldn't count Cumpterbach out yet. I only know him from Sherlock but there he was pretty damn good.
I'm not disagreeing with you as to his acting capabilities, but he is no Khan. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2012.12.04 15:19:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Reiisha wrote:
I wouldn't count Cumpterbach out yet. I only know him from Sherlock but there he was pretty damn good.
I'm not disagreeing with you as to his acting capabilities, but he is no Khan.
Sorry for the derail, but I actually loved the guy in "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" even if his part was short. I actually enjoyed the film, but him as a villain, well. Might be a bit for him, or perhaps not.
But ... I just wish if they decide to remake Khan, he-¦s as strong as the original.
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 15:47:00 -
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As a lateral-thinker, I believe that Alice Eve is in this picture as Khan's genetically modified right hand girl.
Reason: she has heterochromia, and that gives a certain 'difference' to how she would be perceived in the eyes of the audience.
Pun intended.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:50:00 -
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Gary Mitchell is kind of a dumb villain to be bringing back. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:56:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Reiisha wrote:
I wouldn't count Cumpterbach out yet. I only know him from Sherlock but there he was pretty damn good.
I'm not disagreeing with you as to his acting capabilities, but he is no Khan. Sorry for the derail, but I actually loved the guy in "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" even if his part was short. I actually enjoyed the film, but him as a villain, well. Might be a bit for him, or perhaps not. But ... I just wish if they decide to remake Khan, he-¦s as strong as the original.
Highly unliely.
Besides, why do people want nothing but an exact re-tread of where we have most famously been before.
To me it would smack of a Quickie Cash Grab of a movie, and for one, I would not patronize it. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:58:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Gary Mitchell is kind of a dumb villain to be bringing back.
That's a statement, now explain why it is dumb. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:28:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Gary Mitchell is kind of a dumb villain to be bringing back. That's a statement, now explain why it is dumb.
Can't speak for him, but many have reservations about it for two reasons. First, they think his story can only be done by basicly redoing the old TOS episode. Secondly, because in TOS he was a friend of Kirk in the acadamy, but in the little we saw about the academy in the new movie he clearly wasn't. Bringing him from nowhere as a best friend of Kirk would be hard to swallow. The common objections seem to stem from people being so closely tied to the details presented in TOS, that they think the makers of the new movies are somehow restricted by them. If they go with Mitchell, he will likely just be a guy with a personal connection to Kirk and obtains superpowers. All other details will be thrown out the window as they see fit. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:51:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Gary Mitchell is kind of a dumb villain to be bringing back. That's a statement, now explain why it is dumb. Can't speak for him, but many have reservations about it for two reasons. First, they think his story can only be done by basicly redoing the old TOS episode.
Apparently not. That is obviously him on Earth, and he never gained his superpowers until after he boards the Enterprise...and they did not return to Earth before he was killed.
So no, it's not going to be a remake of the episode. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:00:00 -
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Welp. We'll know tomorrow:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59881 RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Besides, why do people want nothing but an exact re-tread of where we have most famously been before.
I doubt we're going to get an exact re-tread if the synopsis is anything to go by, but humouring you for the briefest...because based on what the recent 2009 movie was like, I think most are happy to trust them to make it a worthy nod to the original story of the 60's.
Additionally, stories about genetic engineering are palatable science fiction because of what we have done as humans in this area over the last, what?, 40 years?
It's been in the news, we've seen discussions, arguments and even capitalistic attempts to patent the human genome - so, it's sci-fi with weight behind it.
Easy.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:21:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:even capitalistic attempts to patent the human genome
wait, I thought over half of the human genome was already patented somehow. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:45:00 -
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Go to the Aint't It Cool link just above here for the TRAILER
It's obviously Gary Mitchell, down to the blue eyes.....and the unknown blonde lady (Sally Kellerman redux). RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Jago Kain
Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:38:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Americans will always use Brits as the bad guy as Brits sound like they are actually educated. We can't have such things in America anymore, doncha know ? Admittedly blokes always seem smarter because of the accent. 5 minutes or more with said bloke reveals otherwise, though I spare myself the trouble and simply look at how the UK is managed.
Sorry; that's a bovine fecal matter argument. It's like me assuming that all citizens of the USA are stupid, selfish, greedy and grasping, right-wing fundametalist, arrogant AND servile at the same time (quite an achievement) childish inebriates with a plastic surgery fixation and delusions of musical talent ("let the eagle soar" my left buttock) just by looking at the way the country is run.
On second thoughts carry on, nothing to see here.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:41:00 -
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Jago Kain wrote:[It's like me assuming that all citizens of the USA are stupid, selfish, greedy and grasping, right-wing fundametalist, arrogant AND servile at the same time (quite an achievement) childish inebriates with a plastic surgery fixation and delusions of musical talent ("let the eagle soar" my left buttock) just by looking at the way the country is run.
I am American born in Arkansas and have lived in the diverse populations of Houston, TX, San Francisco, and Tampa/St Petersberg, Florida.
If you assume the above, you unfortunately do not assume wrong, sad to say.
edit: the amount of any kind of intelligent discourse in the States is rare, but would happen occasionally in San Fran, as is to be expected.
A few of us are trying to keep the intellectual torch alive, but it's become in the last 5 years or so a Losing Battle. It's REAL bad here. Florida is a mental cesspool tbh. Backwards as backwards can get. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:49:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Gary Mitchell is kind of a dumb villain to be bringing back. That's a statement, now explain why it is dumb. Can't speak for him, but many have reservations about it for two reasons. First, they think his story can only be done by basicly redoing the old TOS episode. Secondly, because in TOS he was a friend of Kirk in the acadamy, but in the little we saw about the academy in the new movie he clearly wasn't. Bringing him from nowhere as a best friend of Kirk would be hard to swallow. The common objections seem to stem from people being so closely tied to the details presented in TOS, that they think the makers of the new movies are somehow restricted by them. If they go with Mitchell, he will likely just be a guy with a personal connection to Kirk and obtains superpowers. All other details will be thrown out the window as they see fit.
I understand your perception of the issues folks my have here with the GAry Mitchell idea. But then the last ST movie most definitely broke with cannon, and I get the 'vibe' that the ST community (and the casually interested general public) have embraced the fact that it's going to be totally different.
Not making Gary Mitchell a friend of Kirk at the Academy is a really easy change tbh. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.12.06 22:11:00 -
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Hey fellow Trek fans! First up, can I just ask people to steer clear of the nationalist talk, it never ends well and ruins many a good thread, thank you.
Now to be on topic, take a look at these two pictures:
Elizabeth Dehner played by Sally Kellerman.
Alice Eve as "Unnamed Character"
I don't think its a stretch to imagine that Eve's character is Dr Elizabeth Dehner, albeit a retconned version. And lets face it, though many people would be OK with seeing Khan re-imagined, it does not fit with any of the facts released thus far by Paramount. The description released by them for the movie clearly states that Starfleet and Earth are threatened from within Starfleet itself.
Khan was never a part of Starfleet and, clever though he was, even in the original TV series and Movies he was never able to do more than attack from the outside. And while he was also undoubtedly dangerous, Khan was never considered a "One-man weapon" by anyone. He was a leader of men, not a solo killing machine.
Mitchell on the other hand would be perfectly capable of doing precisely these things; from infiltrating Starfleet, to going on a revenge fuelled spree of destruction. He has plenty of reasons (in his own mind) to hate Starfleet and James Kirk, and with his new abilities he would be more than capable of wreaking massive amounts of destruction. Consider his powers:
- Hypercognition - Conscious regulation of autonomic reflexes - Telepathy - Extrasensory perception of various kinds, including clairvoyance, clairaudience, and clairoratory - Telekinesis - The ability to control energy, including both its directed use as a weapon against other organisms, and an invulnerability to Phaser fire - The ability to manipulate matter, including the instant materialization and dematerialization of both organisms and objects
That gets him into Starfleet headquarters, the ability to re-program peoples thoughts, create weapons out of thin air and be able to withstand weapons fire. Pretty handy if you plan on destroying a whole planet in a fit of bare-fisted rage, don't you think? ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2012.12.06 22:42:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:Hey fellow Trek fans! First up, can I just ask people to steer clear of the nationalist talk, it never ends well and ruins many a good thread, thank you. Now to be on topic, take a look at these two pictures: Elizabeth Dehner played by Sally Kellerman. Alice Eve as "Unnamed Character"I don't think its a stretch to imagine that Eve's character is Dr Elizabeth Dehner, albeit a retconned version. And lets face it, though many people would be OK with seeing Khan re-imagined, it does not fit with any of the facts released thus far by Paramount. The description released by them for the movie clearly states that Starfleet and Earth are threatened from within Starfleet itself. Khan was never a part of Starfleet and, clever though he was, even in the original TV series and Movies he was never able to do more than attack from the outside. And while he was also undoubtedly dangerous, Khan was never considered a "One-man weapon" by anyone. He was a leader of men, not a solo killing machine. Mitchell on the other hand would be perfectly capable of doing precisely these things; from infiltrating Starfleet, to going on a revenge fuelled spree of destruction. He has plenty of reasons (in his own mind) to hate Starfleet and James Kirk, and with his new abilities he would be more than capable of wreaking massive amounts of destruction. Consider his powers: - Hypercognition - Conscious regulation of autonomic reflexes - Telepathy - Extrasensory perception of various kinds, including clairvoyance, clairaudience, and clairoratory - Telekinesis - The ability to control energy, including both its directed use as a weapon against other organisms, and an invulnerability to Phaser fire - The ability to manipulate matter, including the instant materialization and dematerialization of both organisms and objects That gets him into Starfleet headquarters, the ability to re-program peoples thoughts, create weapons out of thin air and be able to withstand weapons fire. Pretty handy if you plan on destroying a whole planet in a fit of bare-fisted rage, don't you think?
Highly assumptive - and since Gary only encountered the esp changing moment when he left the galaxy edge...this would mean a whole chunk of necessary film time devoted to:
a) traveling to the outside of the galaxy. b) Gary before, during and after transformation into the God-like person. c) general character development with the who what why and when elements needed for empathy or hatred by the audience d) traveling back from the edge of the galaxy e) emo-time for ragequitting starfleet f) subsequent rejection from reality of reasoning g) boobies
So, you gotta shove all that BS into the script and plot development somehow.
With Khan and his cohorts, you got one sentence: he's a genetically engineered superhuman, Jim...and he's crazier than a Kansas City racehorse at the final furlong. boom, we got it.
Out of interest in this thread, I did watch the original episode and I 'ave to say it's a little tooooo emo for me: I'm afraid of breaking things so I hate myself and break things anyway.
Anyway...the trailer is out - and it rocks
Great opening line by Khan "You think your world is safe?"
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.06 22:59:00 -
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BTW, the trailer had probably the most explosions I've seen in quite awhile.
But the lens flares were indeed absent
EDIT:I can't find the article, but it was about how the level of lens flares in the last film was partly ILM's doing.
They saw all the lens flares in the finished Bridge shots and all, and they took the cue and made the effects shots also be lens flare heavy. It just compounded the issue and JJ Abrams said it wasn't quite supposed to be like that. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.06 23:35:00 -
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People are saying Garth of Izar as well :S
Khan should be a no: He's on the Botany Bay in the 21st Century or shortly after in Stasis, he lands some are dead, he's found tries to take over the enterprise and some die, he gets left on a planet setting up the movie - The planet encounters a massive shift altering it's condition to inhospitable.
He dies in the film.
Khan is landlocked the entire time.
The War-Zone planet is the clue to the real identity, and the japanese trailer is rumoured to have a spoiler.
Mitchell would be a good choice, and lol: galactic edge is a boundary.... 60's for ya.
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Mark Munoz
Schwarzschild Casimir Collective STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2012.12.07 02:31:00 -
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I find the Star Trek fan base fascinating they are crazy die hard and extremely protective of the series and everything pertaining to it. Almost as if it wasn't SciFi and was future history being told in the past. :) |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.12.07 02:59:00 -
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Let's not assume that they're going to restrict themselves to TOS villains.
For all we know it could be the Dominion sending in changelings. The Romulans also have a history of espionage as well. Or heck, attacking the Earth? That's the Xindi all the way.
Heck, they could bring V'ger back, or Nomad. Special effects have got to the point where the Gorn have the potential for coolness too. Do I even need to mention the Klingons?
And let's face it, if there was every a character who fans had a love/hate relationship it was Q. EvE Forum Bingo |
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