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Dinta Zembo
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:54:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity
Thank you very much |
1Compression
MMO-Mechanics.com
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:55:00 -
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Qaldramas wrote:1Compression wrote: Can anyone provide intelligent explanation/example of the impact this is going to have on triage groups? What will they no longer be able to rep that they could before?
The two main examples that come to mind are engagements where triage carriers are one of the main sources of reps (as in the invasion of J115405 aka RAGE this past weekend) and running Sleeper sites. In both cases the armor reps landing later can mean the ship you are repping dies before the reps hit it (never mind that the total amount of reps you dish out also decreases.) In the case of Sleeper sites, particularly when it comes to running sites in a wormhole other than your home hole (which applies to all who live in C5 and C6 WHs) you do not have the option to simply bring an extra carrier (1st because of mass limits and 2nd because of the extra sleepers that spawn when you bring in another carrier.) I suspect this also has many implications for large-scale cap fights in low and especially null, but I have no real experience with those engagements so someone else will have to post about that. Again, as others have been stressing, the loss of total amount repped is certainly unpleasant but in some situations the even worse problem is that your reps might not land in time to save someone's ship.
Great explanation, thank you very much. |
Dethmourne Silvermane
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:55:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
Mistakes happen. Admitting the error and looking forward for a comprehensive solution, while doing a quick "in the meantime" fix, is the best route to success. I wish we'd started at this post instead of having to clamor to get here. Dreddit HR, AKA SuicideWatch Squad. |
Movtaron
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:56:00 -
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Thank you CCP Fozzie, lets just hope that patch is comming soon.
And when the next nerf comes please let us know about it first, maybe people can sell their stuff before it is actually worthless.
/rant |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2589
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:57:00 -
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Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Firstly. I have confirmed that I stated incorrect information in my earlier forum post. I apologize for the mistake and want to clearly state that those of you arguing that the links all affected shield transporters were and are correct and I was wrong. What happened was I accepted incorrect information at face value, information that I should have known was wrong and information that I should have personally confirmed before making any statements. Many of you know me well enough that this kind of mistake is not the kind of thing I want to be allowing myself to make, and frankly there's egg on my face.
The change was made as a defect response to a defect that contained incorrect information, and although I brought up some concerns when it was initially reported (as did the CSM, most notably Two Step), I did not dig deep enough and we let an imbalanced change hit TQ.
So what we're going to do is roll back this whole change as the first available patch opportunity and then go back to the drawing board to create a more complete plan to both make capital effects more understandable and ensure that the mechanics stay balanced and that we don't crush capital pilots.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry. Mistakes happen. Admitting the error and looking forward for a comprehensive solution, while doing a quick "in the meantime" fix, is the best route to success. I wish we'd started at this post instead of having to clamor to get here.
I actually didn't have time to read all the clamor, as I was scrambling to confirm some details about the change. So technically just pointing out the issue while saying you'll love me forever would have worked just as well. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:57:00 -
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Props to CCP Fozzie for owning it, lock stock and barrel. |
HerrBert
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:58:00 -
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Fozzie doesnt always come thru with his ideas. But when he does he makes sure the community is happy about it.
Thanks man |
Veinnail
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:59:00 -
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This thread is showing eve players that CCP might have learned some things over the past year or two. Listening to the players in situations like these, reinforces the support of old players ;)
New guard CCP doing big things. |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:00:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:So here's the deal.
Words.
We'll keep you updated, and once again I'm very sorry.
Confirming CCP Fozzie is a man and owns up to his screw ups. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
2325
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:01:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:I find it adorable how 5 minutes ago half of you were rabid and swearing Fozzie was the worst man alive and now you're all over him.
Thanks Fozzie for being straightforward and providing adequate information.
This is why the best response is to talk about the change, not about the people that make the changes. Fozzie didn't even make the original change that this thread is about. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:02:00 -
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CCP Fozzie showing his true quality here in this thread! a man of integrity and honour!
more of this please! |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:03:00 -
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Cheers Fozz. Post-Tournament warm glow restored. Damn nature, you scary! |
Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:03:00 -
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Two step wrote:Darenthul wrote:I find it adorable how 5 minutes ago half of you were rabid and swearing Fozzie was the worst man alive and now you're all over him.
Thanks Fozzie for being straightforward and providing adequate information. This is why the best response is to talk about the change, not about the people that make the changes. Fozzie didn't even make the original change that this thread is about.
Exactly! I would've honestly been more privy to the plight had more numbers/information been provided and people discussed the idea rather than spending the whole time bashing CCP instead. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2589
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:04:00 -
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FYI I logged out with a combat timer in lowsec to help handle this, so I better be alive when I log back in. :shakes fist: Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Mawderator
Mafia Redux
13
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:04:00 -
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CCP Raivi is a good man, and his father was a good man. |
Lord MuffloN
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:07:00 -
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One of the best responses I've ever seen from CCP, good job!
CCP Fozzie wrote:FYI I logged out with a combat timer in lowsec to help handle this, so I better be alive when I log back in. :shakes fist:
Hahaha, you're so screwed |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:08:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Fozzie owning an oops like a boss.
Great post Fozzie, we'll put the pitchforks away now. Want a beer? http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
151
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:10:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:FYI I logged out with a combat timer in lowsec to help handle this, so I better be alive when I log back in. :shakes fist:
WTB CCP Fozzie corpse. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
Arazel Chainfire
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:27:00 -
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Ezra Vouland wrote:
You still didn't provide the number amount of which will be taken away. Not to mention most the kids crying here are crying over triage, and if are repping 10-12 seconds as triage, are doing it wrong.
Lets make it simple. If you have a bro in a damnation boosting Rapid Repair and that is now gone, how much armor per second is lost?
Since you are incapable of seeing things for yourself:
Archon, in triage, with 1 CRAR, no boosts: reps 3000 armor every 2.5s. This comes out to 1200armor/s (and lands at end of cycle). Add in a damnation w/ lvl 5 skills, mindlink, and all 3 armor links. Now you get 3k armor every 1.69s. This comes out to 1775armor/s. This means that an archon will now rep at 67% of the effectiveness. That is a complete 1/3 less rep power than before.
Now do you see the difference? If not, I recommend biomassing, because you will never be able to make it in eve...
-Arazel |
darius mclever
44
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:27:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:FYI I logged out with a combat timer in lowsec to help handle this, so I better be alive when I log back in. :shakes fist:
If not ... let me know the ship and fitting. Cheers for the quick fix. |
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Hilfe
Tri-gun C0NVICTED
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:30:00 -
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Fozzie
While I am happy you are fixing this fail as I enjoy keeping people alive more than most I am more concerned about something that has been bugging me for a while now.
As is stated in the description of the Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair module it says " Increases the speed of the fleet's personal and targeted armor repair systems. "
Can I draw your attention to the first part of that statement aimed at the personal Repair Systems in relation to capital personal repair systems as I have never in my time in eve seen any improvement in my capital local repair systems cycle time.
Just like with the Armored Warfare Link - Damage Control modules not applying any bonus to personal repair systems capacitor need for capital based modules.
While addressing the obvious screw up can you also look into addressing the local based bonuses for capital modules.
NOTE: I am not bias to shield or armor and would also make the same request for shield based capital local module bonuses I just have no testing information for shield based Warfare Link's but I can only assume if they are broken ( as the description of the modules suggests ) for armor they may also be broken for shields as well. |
Rengas
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:33:00 -
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Change is scary.
People are fickle.
Fozzie is fuzzy.
<3 |
Mayfair Boozie
Hammer Holding Wrong Hole.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:33:00 -
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This nerf is awesome!! Long live cruiser reps, and down with the "I win" archon. |
darius mclever
44
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:36:00 -
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maybe the missing effect on capital local reps is the reason for this whole issue? |
Kari Juptris
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:37:00 -
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Mayfair Boozie wrote:This nerf is awesome!! Long live cruiser reps, and down with the "I win" archon.
You should read up on the part where the change is going to be reverted as soon as reasonably possible. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2605
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:39:00 -
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darius mclever wrote:maybe the missing effect on capital local reps is the reason for this whole issue?
Ding Ding Ding
That's what the defect report started as, then it got merged into an older defect report with incorrect information.
We do want to make things like this work consistently, but we're not really interested in buffing local capital tanks that much. So we're going to be looking at this again. I can't promise the changes will be ones most people like but they will be more complete and thought out. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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dbrummer
ASTARTES CORP Hashashin Cartel
79
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:39:00 -
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Thanks Fozzie! |
Peter Tjordenskiold
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:43:00 -
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Tbh. I don't understand CCP. The is a serious error that should be handled by the quality assurance.
When I would working as a quality manager like CCP I would not be able to pay for a glass of water. I invested 2 years into a pilot for 2 different carriers with the purpose to make smallscale PVP and make it possible not to die in the first minute to dreads and BS.
Nerfing the carriers in the future useless will cost you more than one account.
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Temmu Guerra
Genco Fatal Ascension
93
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:44:00 -
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Appreciate the quick fix Fozzie!!!
Came in slightly upset with the ninja nerf and then found out that it was owned. Everyone his human and people make mistakes. Move on now people!
Peter Tjordenskiold wrote:Tbh. I don't understand CCP. The is a serious error that should be handled by the quality assurance.
When I would working as a quality manager like CCP I would not be able to pay for a glass of water. I invested 2 years into a pilot for 2 different carriers with the purpose to make smallscale PVP and make it possible not to die in the first minute to dreads and BS.
Nerfing the carriers in the future useless will cost you more than one account.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Sick of these stupid my way or else people. |
Hilfe
Tri-gun C0NVICTED
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:45:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:darius mclever wrote:maybe the missing effect on capital local reps is the reason for this whole issue? Ding Ding Ding That's what the defect report started as, then it got merged into an older defect report with incorrect information. We do want to make things like this work consistently, but we're not really interested in buffing local capital tanks that much. So we're going to be looking at this again. I can't promise the changes will be ones most people like but they will be more complete and thought out.
Dang it just got my edit post in ( i had to read it to check what i was saying ) and BAM you hit the nail on the head. |
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