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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3120
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:07:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:With anchored cans spammed on gate warp paths - suicide for sure
Anchoring cans at 12km from the gate to "easy" uncloak potential targets seems it's an offense, however DROP cans at 12km range of the gate is usual practice and in the gaming rules. Simple: nothing changed, still gank buff. (salvage) Doesn't prevent me from burning back to the gate. Blockade runners are generally fast enough to do this successfully whenever necessary. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2470
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:16:00 -
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make it so DSTs can fit a micro jump drive that'd be rad |
Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:46:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:make it so DSTs can fit a micro jump drive that'd be rad
Probably one of the better suggestions.
I think though that they go about it the wrong way with DSTs though. We have stealthy, sneaky transports, we have the big hueg transports and the ones that can jump. What we need....is a battle barge.
Either that or the poor DST can languish in it's grief and CCP releases Faction haulers. Mmmmm Sansha hauler. 100% bonus to small energy turrets ho! |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
228
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:46:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:So blockade runners are now unscannable by cargo scanners. But what will this mean? Will suicide gankers ignore those ships? Or will they rather blow up every Viator they see because they think there must be incredibly valuable stuff inside?
Please go forth and do some field tests, then report back here. In the name of science :) In most situations: If you can actually see a BR for more than a second or two, the pilot is doing it wrong and deserves to loose it. Ofc, sometimes bad things just happen. It's still a stupid change in mechanics.
In about 18 months flying BRs, I got locked once. By a Tornado on Jita undock. That was the moment I decided to get me insta undocks for all major trade hubs. Thanks to the ganking crowd I'm actually safer now . |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13409
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:53:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:make it so DSTs can fit a micro jump drive that'd be rad It would also be pointless.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
368
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:03:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:With anchored cans spammed on gate warp paths - suicide for sure
And I (+ probably a lot of others as well) already figured how to make those cans useless. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
127
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:32:00 -
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I'm not fond of the change since I assume many of the other Viators out there have more valuable cargo than mine.
Terrorfrodo wrote:Myself, I actually never transport really valuable stuff with my Viator, I use CovOps or Recons instead. Viator is for bulkier items with no great value if I have to go through low, null or w-space. But of course the gankers can't know that.
Are you safer flying in a Force Recon over a Blockade Runner? They don't have as many hit points and have a larger sig if I remember. I also think that the BR's align time is a bit better. I might do the training for Recon anyways since it is a short amount of training for me if the no scanning BR becomes an issue especially since I don't tend to do big hauls. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2072
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:45:00 -
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What a bunch of oddballs in this thread. No wonder you get ganked all the time.
Active tanking a Blockade Runner? LOL!
You should never be locked. Period.
The only tank you need is a shield extender. And that's only for those who dare leave high security space and might hit some smartbombs at a gate.
This is what you fit. Agility rigs, agility modules, and depending on the race, a nano. It doesn't matter, by the way, if you have a sig radius the size of a Titan. NO ONE WILL KNOW YOU'RE THERE UNTIL YOU'RE GONE! (If you don't fly it like a moron).
Mr Epeen -ávOv |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3121
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:33:00 -
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I fill my free mid slots with ecm burst, frankly. There are others in my alliance who say to use multispecs but I don't really think BR can lock fast enough for those to be of any use. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
leoplusma
Delfus Inc. HumAnnoyeD
215
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:34:00 -
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well a properly fitted blockade runner, warps to next gate by the time the fastest pilot has not yet finished his locking.
its funny, when i use my prorator to see how many do try to lock me and fail because i am already in warp :)
so, to cut a long story short, a BR is "tanking" by its agility. (and yes, a shield extender for lowsec smartbombs is not a bad idea at all)
but how about the DST ? are warp core stabs in the lows actually useful or no? (its impressive what you can do by actually tanking an impel, of course only against a ganker in highsec)
cheers
leo |
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
1171
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:35:00 -
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Yes OP, you have found the magic "safe" ship to transport stuff in EVE. Please fill it with yummy shiny stuff and autopilot through high sec. You'll be safe. I promise. |
Lexmana
829
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:38:00 -
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I don't get it, how would you have time to scan a blockade runner? |
Jaarin Kuor
Asteria Industrial
2
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Posted - 2013.01.05 11:20:00 -
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yeah if you were getting cargo scanned in a blockade runner before you were doing it wrong lol this change makes no difference |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:05:00 -
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Celeste Taylor wrote:I'm not fond of the change since I assume many of the other Viators out there have more valuable cargo than mine. Terrorfrodo wrote:Myself, I actually never transport really valuable stuff with my Viator, I use CovOps or Recons instead. Viator is for bulkier items with no great value if I have to go through low, null or w-space. But of course the gankers can't know that.
Are you safer flying in a Force Recon over a Blockade Runner? They don't have as many hit points and have a larger sig if I remember. I also think that the BR's align time is a bit better. I might do the training for Recon anyways since it is a short amount of training for me if the no scanning BR becomes an issue especially since I don't tend to do big hauls.
Cyno V in one alt, pick bomber, light your covert cyno and jump your blops full of goodies. Godwin travel, no risk.
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Brynj Spirum
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.01.05 18:23:00 -
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Obvious excuse to nerf orca cargo bay is obvious. (Not that I care )
I've run billions in goods out of Jita to the other trading hubs in my Viator in a single run. Shot at? I've never been locked! Hell, I've lost only one in null-sec. If you are dieing in high-sec, you are doing it wrong. So very, very wrong.
1. Instant undock bookmarks. 2. No autopilot.
If you can't figure this out, do yourself a favor. Quit.
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Kukiri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.01.05 19:53:00 -
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My BR still has large rigs in it. I don't recall ever being locked successfully, let alone blown up. |
Beckie DeLey
Living From Scraps
281
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Posted - 2013.01.05 20:15:00 -
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The changes are not really relevant to anyone who isn't AFK. Blockade Runners are pretty safe axcept on the undock anyways.
As for the AFKers, as usual, pop them when you see them. Not for the value of their cargo, but for the lesson. *shrug* So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
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Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.01.05 21:04:00 -
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I tried ganking a Hulk with a Prorator.
Didn't work out so well. I hope they do better at transporting stuff. |
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
5
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Posted - 2013.01.05 23:29:00 -
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As a supplier, I am grateful for all those creating renewing demand. Keep up the good work! |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
302
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Posted - 2013.01.05 23:38:00 -
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I'm wondering why there is module that makes your cargohold harder to scan/unscannable. Ah yes, it's the same as ECM there's no real countermeasure for it. New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
275
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Posted - 2013.01.05 23:54:00 -
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Docked them have been never safer before. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2074
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Posted - 2013.01.06 00:57:00 -
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Jack Mayhem wrote:Actually Crane looks pretty good for transporting valuable BPOs.
EHP: 43.3k (51.8k overheated) Align time: 4.1s
[Crane, max tank] Damage Control II Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Empty the mids and put in polycarbs and istabs instead of that other crap and the align time is 3.1 seconds. For comparison that's 1 to 2 seconds faster than a Harpy or a Hawk. It's a freakin' industrial that aligns like a frigate and people are getting worried?
And it warps cloaked!
That's just nuts!
Mr Epeen
-ávOv |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
687
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:21:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:If the salvage is worth enough of a couple blaster catalysts then whatever you might get on drops it's only bonus.
Which, in an partially related note: I do hope that the gank community realizes that by using the exact same ship for every type of gank (read: blaster catalyst) then all you're doing is pushing CCP towards nerfing your blaster catalysts. Pro-gank or anti-gank, that's just how it's going to end up & you know it. If you don't want to get nerfed then use some variety at least.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1077
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:25:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Most of those instalock alpha strikes won't come with you having those mods online. Not to mention all the **** he added to make insta-locking even easier. Probably doesn't make a huge difference, but why help the guys who are trying to kill you?
I love seeing all those KM fits with modules that slow the ship down AND make the sig radius insanely large... Hehehehe.... Good stuff. By all means, fit your expanded cargo, overdrives, istabs, and LSE's, guys. I'll bring the popcorn. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Apocryphal Noise
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:44:00 -
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i've been flying a 10mn mwd cloak crane through all secs for going on 8 months, never even been targeted. |
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
51
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Posted - 2013.01.07 12:11:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Some Rando wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Most of those instalock alpha strikes won't come with you having those mods online. Not to mention all the **** he added to make insta-locking even easier. Probably doesn't make a huge difference, but why help the guys who are trying to kill you? I love seeing all those KM fits with modules that slow the ship down AND make the sig radius insanely large... Hehehehe.... Good stuff. By all means, fit your expanded cargo, overdrives, istabs, and LSE's, guys. I'll bring the popcorn.
LSEs only decrease lock time insignificantly. Doesn't matter anyway for instalock.
You don't care about align time: 1) out of gate - it doesn't matter as you cloak instantly, 2) out of station - you should have insta-undock.
There are only TWO occasions when you are vulnerable:
1) After jumping from gate, you are <2km to other ship (happens sometimes) and can't cloak; 2) You lag a bit to cloak and someone instalocks you.
In both of these situation you really don't care how many istabs or polycarbs you have; tornado will instapop you before you can warp.
However, if you have tank, you migh as well survive ;)
WHY this fit is actually the best solution: you are flying freaking unscannable ship. The ganker has no idea whether you fly empty or with 10bil worth of BPOs. The ganker is playing a lottery, where he must minimize his costs. So the most probable scenario is that 1) you will face single alpha ship or couple of catalysts, who shoot blindly without scanning, 2) they will only attack when you make a mistake, e.g. decloak next to other ship in Niarja. For such random ganks, having tank is the only option.
So before criticizing, please try to use your brains at least a bit. kthxbye?
EDIT: actually that fit was for high-sec only. For 0.0 nothing changes at all post-changes - you are dead if you are caught, so lows should be for better align. Plus you need MWD. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
21
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Posted - 2013.01.07 12:43:00 -
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Jack Mayhem wrote:Actually Crane looks pretty good for transporting valuable BPOs.
EHP: 43.3k (51.8k overheated) Align time: 4.1s
[Crane, max tank] Damage Control II Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Who in holy hell transports BPOs in a Blockade Runner???? |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1005
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Posted - 2013.01.07 12:52:00 -
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what isthe point , they always been safe , aslong you don't autpilot them, and that is for every transport/hauler even when using a normal hauler with the mwd cloak trick they are pretty hard to catch the only time they ever caught one of maycharacters in a blockade was in null sec ( bubbles) and even freighters aresafe aslong you take precautions I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
106
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Posted - 2013.01.07 13:10:00 -
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I never haul anything of much value in my Prowler in Empire, I generally use it just because its very quick when fit for loads under ~4k or less.
As for loosing one in empire? I guess it would be possible if one were to lag right as you tried to cloak, but other than that not so much. I still have the first Cheetah I ever bought. (with large rigs and a Micro Cap battery) I also have yet to lose a BR despite hitting tons of bubble camps and moving items in and out of null (Even NPC null) with them.
Empire is still far safer for a BR then null ever was. I can' t speak for the others but a Prowler at least has enough HP to survive a volley from a Tornado even they somehow managed to lock you. |
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
51
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:08:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Jack Mayhem wrote:Actually Crane looks pretty good for transporting valuable BPOs.
EHP: 43.3k (51.8k overheated) Align time: 4.1s
[Crane, max tank] Damage Control II Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Who in holy hell transports BPOs in a Blockade Runner????
But...but... what if my BPOs take more than 1k m3!?
And yes, correct way is to tank T3 to the teeth and use it as transport. |
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