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DeftCrow Redriver
Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:46:00 -
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CCP Hellmar, to show my appreciation to your letter, I have personally translated it and posted to another language-specific fansite. I was starting to get worried that CCP was running out of ideas on how to expand and iterate on EVE, but reading through the last four paragraphs and putting them into another language, I could really see the passion you have about the potential of EVE, to the point that you were getting agitated about not being able to show what you are seeing from it.
Thanks for restoring my hope for the unique world that is EVE. |
Chitsa Jason
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:46:00 -
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wow... woowww!! i have been waiting for this for 2 years! |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Crimson Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:56:00 -
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Thank you CCP and Hilmar for having given us such an amazing game over the years. Yes there have been downs, but mostly ups, else we all wouldn't still be here.
You ladies and gentlemen are fantastic. |
Kalissa
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:01:00 -
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Very nice words indeed, if CCP's actions live upto what was said in the blog then the future is indeed bright for Eve and I forsee Eve clawing back a good percentage of the people who've left, though I doubt they'll all come back. |
Javajunky
Viscosity Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:03:00 -
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I would like to officially tip my hat off.
Few people and in business leadership have what it takes to step forward and say, Yeah I own this one, my fault, but I'm going to change it up here and get back on track. In the world of backstabbing, selling people down the river.
Really a breath of fresh air. |
Dr Wahoos
Born-2-Kill 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:11:00 -
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Since day 1 of Incarna I had the quote " INCARNA... the day CCP stopped being Innovative" posted in my public channel MOTD and I had since stopped playing.
CCP, Thanks for admitting it - you messed a few things up - big time. Now that you've got my attention, let's hope you can capitalize.
Good luck in regaining the trust of thousands of disappointing players.
On behalf of EVE,
Dr Wahoos |
Tcar
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:14:00 -
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Hilmar,
It's not every day that you see a CEO of a global multi-million dollar entertainment corporation commit "virtual seppuku" before his customers. Quite unprecedented.
If my last boss had taken one tenth of the responsibility for his actions and oversights that you did here, I'd quite likely have not quit. If I had quit anyways, it would have involved a lot less swearing and lawyers to say the least.
I have to say that no game, MMO or otherwise has grabbed hold of me quite like EVE. A good bit of that is quite likely due to the people I play it with but, that being said, there is nothing quite like EVE anywhere else. I'm glad that not only have you taken responsibility for your actions as the head of CCP, but looked for the future.
I hope that seven years from now I can tell noobs "Yeah, I remember back years ago when they rolled out WiS. . what was that, the Incarna expansion? . . . man, what a s**t-storm that was. . . let me tell you about how I got my monocle."
I seriously hope you can continue to earn my business. As so many others have said, "time will tell." With deeds to match these words, you will. Use your time wisely. |
10011100011
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:22:00 -
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Excuse my ingles, its bad at best.
The Good:: - Some kind of apologies, still arrogant but showing some concern - Promise not to hit the "pay to win" key - "CQ was essentially a prototype feature that we foolishly promoted as a full-blown expansion" ... finally you wrote it - "Good things are coming. They always do when you learn from your mistakes" .... vague promises
The bad: - "they delivered some of the most amazing interior rendering and character technology in the industry" ..... what?? you must be joking .... - "we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past" ... maybe. And maybe the real thing is that many subscribers cancelled or switched to PLEX or RMT because you guys ****ing over and over. I am sure that if all the expansions had the quality and focus of Apocrypha the numbers would be very different. - "most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game" ...... most people, or most EVE players?? There is a difference. Have you asked us? I missed that poll
The ugly: - DEVs writing obsequious posts. In this Hilmar post. Was an "order", a "suggestion" or what? Maybe in Iceland this is not a servile attitude. In the place I grew up, this kind of things talk very bad about the leadership of an organization. - Players too happy with Hilmar`s "letter". C-¦mon guys, you went all across from Jita-¦s piquetes (blockades, monument shooting) to "WOW". Its grotesque. Better wait next expansion to see if words translates really into concrete actions. |
Dr Wahoos
Born-2-Kill 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:25:00 -
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Tcar wrote: Hilmar,
It's not every day that you see a CEO of a global multi-million dollar entertainment corporation commit "virtual seppuku" before his customers. Quite unprecedented.
um, one word. Netflix. |
Dej Vu
ModestCo
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:27:00 -
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EVE is great. There's just no game like this. We appreciate your work Hilmar and CCP and we really hope that you'll succeed on the way. |
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Booddaa Braggodocio
John Henry's Hammer
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:27:00 -
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Apologizing is a great thing for people to do and it does take courage, especially when you are in a position of power, but behind this apology is nothing but excuses. I see no true direction for the future mentioned in this post, only excuses for why his decisions in the past were justified despite their failures. Empty promises of things to come are not a solution, and excuses do not make a genuine apology. Unless significant information is forthcoming about CCP's actual plans for the future, and the rectification of their mistakes, I'll keep plexing my accounts till I run out of cash in the off chance that I'll want to come back to skilled up characters at some point, but I don't see much hope for fixes as it stands. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:32:00 -
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Thank you Hellmar for the statement. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:48:00 -
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you can expect my 2nd and 3rd account annual resubs shortly.
thank you.
Ris |
Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:58:00 -
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Well well....what to say.
I can't ignore the fact that you finally had to bow before the decline of EVE and open your eyes to what others told you for months, years even. Does it hurt? It sure has for you to come crawling before the community.
I was very vocal about all the fuckup regarding the newsletter, your mail, the MT road to perdition and neglect of FIS. And ITS STILL NOT FORGOTTEN:
You took something from us the past months, the faith that EVE would get better over time and that we all have the best interest to keep EVE going. YOU seemed to rather focus on WoD and Consoles, basically preparing your company to work without EVE Online. The players reacted accordingly, and do what they do the moment they think the dev-cycle is nearing its end. They leave, as investing time+money in something thats ending is not worth it.
So here we are, CCP not ready yet to live without EVE, but players ready to live without CCP/EVE and leaving. And you come to us now, telling us you see the light, and everything will get better.
Now let me tell you this: ITS NOT A ONE TIME THING. You can't expect us to flip back to "oh we trust CCP now" stage. We don't. Many reactions here are just "relieve", but the will get ANGRY AT YOU the moment you screw up just a bit, NEVER FORGET THAT.
I say: cudos to you if you mean it, if you truly learned. Shame on you if you are just trying to overcome the 2-3 years it will take you to get WOD ready. We are not blind, we have been fooled by you guys before (no MT statements, promises about iterations....). We are very sensitive now, and even if we are holding on to last straws to keep playing, every thing you do now will be watched very closely. |
Chiralos
Merchant Princes
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:02:00 -
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Thank you for that Hellmar.
It is frustrating, knowing where you want to get to but feeling that things are moving forward so slowly ...
The problem is that it is not enough to have a good game now and be heading towards a fantastic future for EVE; every step on the way there has to be a playable, fun game that is better than it was before, delivered with sinister grace.
Now, go and get busy doing some more impossible things. |
servalaan
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:19:00 -
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Well Hilmar... do i believe you? Actually yes, yes I do. But remember this: Actions speak louder than words Restore me from my jaded state and show us all just how great EvE can be.
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:21:00 -
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Quite impressed by the letter. It's good to see that both you and CCP are back on the right track. This is something players have been waiting for for years, and it will do much to entice old jaded vets as well. |
LesbianCharizard
Intaki Armaments Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:22:00 -
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Thank you.
I sincerely look forward to what comes next.
Keep it up the good work ! :D |
Humwawa
de Prieure
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:30:00 -
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...and this is what makes CCP great and stand apart from other mmo-¦s !!! |
Ronin 8797
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:30:00 -
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A very well said and passionate statement. The efforts are greatly appriciated. Eve is a wonderful thing and I look forward to the new developments. Best regards. |
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Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:30:00 -
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Way to man up Hilmar. Couldn't have been easy but I think you said your piece well this time. Hopefully this is the start of making EVE and CCP back into great things. |
OSGOD
TASSIE DEVILS OMEGA.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:37:00 -
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if yuo truly believe in eve ,then i expect yuo will resign effective 3 months ago ,and to quote another saying TALK IS CHEAP |
progodlegend
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:38:00 -
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A genuine and sincere admittance of screw ups and losing touch is very refreshing to hear. Very impressive to hear. Definitely exactly what was needed to repair the company to customer relationships. Good ****. |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:40:00 -
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Well ... recognition that you've screwed up is the first step towards solving the problem you created - but it's only the first step.
Still ... it's better than living in denial and letting things continue to go downhill. So congratulations on that ..
One of the problems with having really ambitious goals such as redefining your product ... is that they aren't easy to achieve and lend themselves to huge screw ups. I worked in software development for over 20 years - and I've seen fortunes go right down the shitter because of failed projects. You seriously need to have something more useful for these characters to do besides walking around stations and doing emotes for player made videos on YouTube. I'll spare all the links I usually post as examples of that.
One serious problem I will point out though - is that with the Character Creator - and such videos as the one linked to in the blog - you've created a level of expectation for character ambulation that is going to be extremely difficult to meet with the legacy hardware many of EVE's players are using. For those of us who have taken advantage of EVE's ability to run multiple clients on one system - and formed our gaming strategy around that capability - we aren't doing it on a bunch of Top End Systems.
The investment on our part has already been made. We've already got the accounts, we've already trained the characters, we have set ourselves up to operate in a manner that is somewhat dependent on multi boxing in it's design. So we don't have the option to just not do that.
Every time you obsolete a bunch of old systems - it makes it that much harder for those of us who have used the game as it was sold to us to continue doing so.
Sure - we've got top end systems but bringing all our systems up to a technical level capable of running characters as they appear in the character creator - isn't going to happen in any thing like a reasonable amount of time. Yes - our average level system will improve over time as we buy new top end systems and what was top end becomes lower tier - but that's something that takes place over years for the average person who is multi boxing.
Now ... we the people who are currently playing and paying according to a monthly subscription model - really don't need to see our avatars. Maybe these other people you want to recruit do - but we don't or we wouldn't be playing the game now. Some people may be looking forward to having avatars they can run about but most of them don't NEED that to continue playing the game.
So ... don't create some resource hog that will obsolete a bunch of our systems - just so we can do something we don't care about - and believe me - however much YOU may care about ambulation - many of us don't care at all (unless we can shoot each other).
If the space ship part of the game works fine on our older systems - but ambulation doesn't - then you need to design your ambulation implementation so that it doesn't screw the rest of the game on our older systems.
If you do obsolete our older systems - and we can no longer support as many clients as we have subscriptions for - then we are going to start canceling accounts. We may well continue to play the game ... but if we can't run it the way we have been ... then it doesn't make any sense to keep paying for something we can't use any more.
Anyway - Good Luck with it. As George W. said to Barack - "We want you to succeed."
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:43:00 -
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To Hilmar Rock on, never lost faith
To everyone else, go play |
Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:49:00 -
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It took you how many MONTHS to finally apologize?
Funny how you can finally get some humility out of corporate fat cats when they are starring down the barrel of a multi-million dollar loan due at the end of the month and at the same time accounts leaving in droves.
Still, nice to see the CEO has some sanity and common sense left; because make no mistake, HUMILITY had NOTHING to do with that blog. CCP needed to do SOMETHING if they still wanted to have a game and/or a company in the next 6-12 months.
All that being said; I honestly don't believe a word that comes out of the mouths of CCP anymore; from Hellmar or anyone else. We've been lied to and marginalized so much and so often, I am not sure they CAN ever get that trust back; at least with me.
So, in DIRECT response to Hellmar's seeming apology I say:
"About damn time. Fix your freaking game and company while you still have one. Oh, and with all this "going back to your roots" crap, focusing on the PvP and whatnot, don't leave out new goodies for the industrialists. After all, the industrialists BUILD everything the rest of us like to blow up. If you loose the industrialists, you truly are screwed because you can ALWAYS find more PvPers......"
Peace all, and out.
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OSGOD
TASSIE DEVILS OMEGA.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:53:00 -
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz wrote:To Hilmar Rock on, never lost faith
To everyone else, go play
becuase of this tosser (Hilmar) i can no longer with a adsl connection and a top teir machine run 2 clients at the same time as of CQ so inorder to run both clients i have 2 option spend anothe 5,500 AUD on another pc and dual box which i doubt will work as i believe from investigating the peoblem it is bandwidth no alt tabbing causing the peoblem or i spend 80 AUD a month on ADSL 2 which i dont know yet if it will fix my problem of only being able to 1 client logged on at a time dec will let know and if i still cant run 2 clients on my top tier PC then i will stop paying for eve and that pisses me as i have invested my time and a lot of it sincew jan 2007 in this game never had any problems running 2 clients on same machine until CQ so Hienz get afucking a education or STFU.
my above quote still applies to Hilmar you wanna do good for eve resign effective 3 months ago and as talk in the past shows from CCP TALK IS VERY CHEAP,
I AM NOT GETTING MY 260+ AUD worth out f eve at the mo and i am very pissed opf about it |
Beltashazzah
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:56:00 -
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I read this while at work, and your sincerity was clearly felt even then. When I arrived home I logged in and was greeted with a photo of you linking to your letter. I have no idea when that photo was taken but it absolutely conveyed the same measure of sincerity that I felt when reading your letter.
I truly commend you for not only writing it, but articulating it in such a way as to really encourage me that you understand the issues this amazing game is facing. I have no doubt that thu future will indeed be more exciting now. You have my support CCP.
Regards
Belt |
Shameless Shamus
Infinitely Stoned Fabrications Pator Tech
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:02:00 -
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Thank you CCP Hilmar. Thank you for being so frank about your experiences and shortcomings, and your realizations. Turns out you are human after all :) |
Dynast
Osirians Of Eve Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:21:00 -
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I very, very much hope that these words are followed up with sustained action. It's been disappointing to see so much of the work announced over the last couple years be stuff that.. well.. does nothing for me.
There are a hundred well-made MMOs where you run a little dude with a sword around, but only one first rate MMO where you fly a spaceship. Here's hoping EVE development really is re-focused on spaceships. |
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