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Lorna Sicling
Helix Pulse
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:33:00 -
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Well done - well said. It takes a lot to be that open and honest and humble before such a harsh community.
The passion and commitment to doing things right has been put in writing in no uncertain terms, and I'm excited about the next steps.
Eve has a future, and the two devblogs have shown that the future can be a good one.
Now let's see some of the devblogs about the changes! |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:38:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode ALL GëívGëí Ships | Odd-áGëívGëí Items | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:41:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I'm not sure what to make of this emo crap... In fact... I'm a bit taken aback... Just come out with some good EvE Sh@t zulu. I don't give a rats ass about your self discovery. I want to take over the fuc^*@*g galaxy. Produce el game yo... ...and all will be forgiven. ...I just want a reason to get in my spaceship... EDIT: CSM - kiss my a55. you guys suck. Zulu - Listen to this: thisNow Play "Freelancer". Go get some Nomad Guns. No lets bring a revolution. Where's my secret Nomad gate to the unknown? Your a producer. Produce. :D the bbcode parser doesn't like the percentage sign, avoid using it if you want other people to see your post. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:41:00 -
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Misanth wrote:I don't particulary agree until it's backed up by actions, and your comparison with Charlie Brown and Lucy is pretty accurate so that might be why I'm hesitant.. either case; it's alot better than not having this blog, so it's a step forward. Even tho technicly we havn't had anything happen yet. I'm curious too to see if you see through the populist choices of 'fixes' for the winter expansion, and note that nothing major is really noted to get this game back on track?
Bear a few things in mind:
1.) If it's not been made clear by the numerous blogs and dev postings, CCP basically had to scrap their August release planning because, "What is this **** I don't even we are ******..."
2.) As a result, they spent the last 3-4 weeks not only changing course but re-shuffling resources and prioritizing what they could do with the time and resources left before December.
3.) While all this was going on, CCP also had to unfuck their public relations which meant letting certain people speak up and telling others to shut up. In the end, Hilmar decided to just stomp on it all and attempt to right the ship from the top down. Granted, this should have been done months ago, but at least it's done now and in a way that leaves CCP no room at all for error.
4.) What we will get for Winter will be in preparation for much larger / bigger / shinier stuff come next year. While all of the 'fixes' and updates are going on in the trenches, the Art department and such can go ahead and start working on NEW STUFF that can be coded and mechanically integrated next year.
I am still not sure if certain people in the company 'get it' at all (actually they are probably mad about a lot of this) and won't attempt to de-rail this effort. This is why I'm going to continue to beat the ITERATIONS ITERATIONS drum often and loudly, no matter what ~words~ are released. Still, I think that CCP, with the help of the CSM and continuing to actually LISTEN to their community, has chosen a smart path for the immediate future. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:43:00 -
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Wow, fantastic message. How many other video game CEOs would communicate with their subscribers in such a way? We're closer to peers than subscribers in this game, and that's how it should be. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:48:00 -
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It's a start.
Words are easy but, as stated in that other letter - "Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do..." - if deliverables show, good deal and more will be watched for. If not then we'll see how things go.
One item: experienced industry professionals for key leadership positions
With the current state of the MMO industry, and it's "follow the leader" attitude of 'clone wow's model'...
EVE's way of operating is quite different and attempts to put in what works in those games, without bringing across the artificial limits also imposed in them (classes, limits in advanced skill trees, gear chase model) ... That won't work well.
This part is a bit disconcerting. |
Xue Slick
The Damned Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:52:00 -
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Well said. Just always remember CCP, people vote with their money.
The one thing I could never get is why does CCP need to be so secret about their work, is it to WOW the gamers come release day? or is it to protect their work and concepts from other companies?
Would be interesting to know.
Xue |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:54:00 -
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https://twitter.com/#!/HilmarVeigar
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Aynen
SI Radio Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:05:00 -
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It is a rare display of strong character that someone of stature apologizes for anything, and I really admire that. For better or worse, you're far from being the only game developer who has wanted to reach for the stars to discover you can't quite get there just yet. Enthousiasm works that way, and without enthousiasm, Eve would not have existed at all. I hope that enthousiasm wasn't lost in the process of discovering that the methods used wheren't working. You're still going to get to those stars, just slowly and in control. |
Aina O'Sinnor
Arklight Project Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:12:00 -
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Thanks alot for that sincere letter to the community, CCP Hellmar.
I wonder if you should stop using the word fix in conjunction with nullsec. It will always be under development. Small things can be fixed like bookmarks(please do this btw, it's a fundamental part of the game and is terrible to use. Imagine Eve withouth bookmarks...). |
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Michael Turate
The Bembridge Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:31:00 -
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Great news. Lets also give some love to the dissenting voices within CCP (mentioned in the blog) who kept the faith and kept the fires burning and whose names will probably not be known. Their belief in the intrinsic importance of Flying In Space to the EVE universe and their continued opposition to the company ignoring the players feedback has allowed this about face to happen. If everyone in the company had deserted the playerbase then things would have continued to unravel and there would have been no opportunity to save the situation. Thank you to those people, it's only a small thank you but I hope you hear it. |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:37:00 -
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I was surprised by this blog, in a good way.
It takes courage to say "I was wrong", and I never look down on someone adimiting their mistakes and wanting to improve themself. This, dare i say it, has kindled a new hope for me for EVE. For EVE truly is uniqe, and that is why so many was so angry, we love the game.
I am looking forward to what is to come. |
Officer Nyota Uhura
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:43:00 -
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I think I love you again, CCP Hellmar. |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:49:00 -
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Oh Hilmar, you big teddy bear
*hugs* FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Furb Killer
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:51:00 -
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Well two options: CCP has a non-******** PR person or he actually means it. Sadly with CCPs track record it is hard to assume the second one, we have always been promised alot of shiney, which barely ever was delivered.
I hope this indeed means a change in EVE's direction, although personally I am going to let my sub expire in a few days, might have been different if you realised this a year ago, but now for me personally EVE is dead and simply does not give me fun anymore. |
XO SPECTRE
X-1 . O P S
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:55:00 -
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Hellmar shows he have some leadership skill
CCP have very smart CEO i belive EVE will be better and better he will save our cyber space |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:57:00 -
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Hm, "The Followers of EVE", sign me up!
Very very nicely written, Hilmar, I am feeling positive mood all over.
We should never forget that trying to force one version of how to play EVE, be it PvP or station interior experience, upon the whole player base is not the way to add to diversity or the sandbox experience. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
qu1ckkkk
The Warp Core Stabilizers Burn Away
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:59:00 -
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Hey CCP Hellmar,
If you quit, can I haz ur stuff? |
Brinid Navarre
Green-Core
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Posted - 2011.10.06 11:11:00 -
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Finally. Thank you for taking fault. This ignoring bullshit was starting to push even me. Now we can move forward. |
Jin Maci
Synergy Holdings Inc Cascade Associates
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:01:00 -
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crap I gave all my stuff away |
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NIJofleyUK
Roflcopter m8. STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:12:00 -
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I read this and thought...
AT LAST!! CCP management have finally realised that the players are who makes this game! We have been voicing over forums, FanFest and many other channels our gripes for "getting things right" first time, not putting off what you think are small things to fix. We have waited far too long for the existing playing experience to improve greatly. Being a bit of a Hobo myself in EVE, I have been around the world for a short cut and have experienced many many of the problems everyone is talking about.
Too much focus was made on advancing prototype technologies within EVE rather than actually concentrating on the core product already there. It's like making a cake with toppings, if the cakes not right, it doesn't matter what you add to it later, it will still leave a bad taste in your mouth.
I am EXTREMELY impressed by the admission of guilt, and the courage it took for Hillmar to post that apology, I feel this is a definite move in the right direction and I am now really excited to see what comes of this. As a community, we can also help CCP by offering constructive criticism, maybe not on a business level but definitely for the priorities of what we would like to see in EVE. I would like to suggest a feedback questionnaire in multiple choice format. Say once per month, not going to all characters but to a character we can enable from the EVE Account area, where it only receives the questions, from this we can all vote on what needs fixed or added or tweaked. Maybe also a suggestions section, although I feel that would require human intervention to read but could maybe be presented in a dry-form layout where specific questions are asked and you have a selection and Other option/opinion. This sort of feedback and QA would be invaluable for CCP & I would implore CCP to consider this. It's only 1 mail per month, or an online form we fill in the account section once per month.
I feel the users "us" have sometimes felt like were silenced into submission, this hopefully will change over time now it seems like CCP are now realising that the community can fight back, either in game or in media formats.
Regards NIJ |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:13:00 -
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Kheirozen wrote:That little page of text just gave me back part of my hope for EvE.
But the game clearly needs new features with the Incarna stuff.
Flying around in a ship killing stuff is fun, but it's pointless after a time... We need more stuff to do, be it inside a station or whatever.
You know what would be awesome ?? Space Casino Stations.... man i'd waste all my time playing casino in EvE with all my ISK.
You've put CCP Back on the right track, now stay on it.
This game is all about flying in space and pvping, they just need to add more to that to be honest. If you are bored with that then go play another game, don't want EVE becoming something else as this is why I play EVE in the first place over other games. |
Vegare
Das zweite Konglomerat The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:13:00 -
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Thanks for your honesty and thanks for having restored the faith in your current playerbase |
Alaxandria d'Vindi
Bantam Fury
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:20:00 -
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Well said. As noted by other following through will establish trust but I am personally you are acknowledging the mistakes and hopefully fixing in a way that is beneficial to all! |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:41:00 -
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Hats off!
Not many leaders have the courage to admit that they maybe have made a mistake. Also leaders are human and mistakes simply happen. So finding out that something get wrong is the first step to improval. Therefore I am looking forward to the next expansion. CCP did a lot of good work in the past and now with this realignment I am sure you are back on the path to glory. |
Nehmen Geld
Blunted Affect Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:52:00 -
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Good to read. I look forward to seeing the results.
Have you considered that you might get more traction with the adoption of the NEX if you included a per-month Aurum credit as part of the existing subscription? No price increase, just a per month allowance included in the current price. i.e. subscribers receive a small amount of Aurum when their payment is processed. The amount would be small enough that it would take years to afford the "thousand dollar jeans" items but large enough that players could accumulate enough Aurum to buy a pair of boots and a shirt every 12 months. Something in the range of 350 AUR a month.
Nobody is really going to buy into the shallow pleasure of vanity items until we've actually tasted the experience of having a wardrobe.
A loyalty payment would also be an interesting reward, perhaps even a tangible expression of appreciation toward your customers. An amount of Aurum for every paid subscribed month since we joined? I think that would kick start something interesting and contribute to watering down the inevitable "haha sucker" stigma that is going to be associated with toons wearing NEX items when establishments finally arrive.
In the interest of balance: yay spaceships! |
RealaiX
Scy Mining Ind. Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:56:00 -
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just one word...
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
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Kr99
Lightfoot Pestisss and Blake Enterprises Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:02:00 -
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Nowhere is the culture of arrogance felt more strongly than in the customer service department. Average time to get an impersonal rebuke from a CCP GM: 3 days Average time to be in live chat with a Blizzard GM: 30 seconds
I have an impression of the Icelanders as a proud and tough people, who suffer fools and whiners poorly, and at the same time have a profound sense of fairness, justice and the rule of law. That makes them worthy of admiration perhaps, but also tragically unsuited to the task of customer service, where empathy trumps law.
You could do worse than to fire the whole department and outsource it, or at least rebuild it with some consultants from your competitors. |
Vedje
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:09:00 -
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With all due respect Personally i am grateful for incarna it looks awesome, it gives us a chance to see our characters Indeed i can only imagine how much work went into it. But nevertheless it still doesn't have any practical use, sadly.
The promises on the other end made for winter expansion have a great deal of potential. I am hoping that Eve continues to grow, as in Eve that we are playing not the captains quarters where we sit for a minute till our loot was dumped into the station so we can go on, sit to fix modules and fly out or where we leave our characters afk. |
Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:09:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Cors wrote:WHERE do PEOPLE who already pay for your game TELL YOU they WANT THIS????
Monthly subscription fees BUILT CCP. BUILT EVE ONLINE.
MY GOD. The greed that is slapping us in the face, beating us with sticks, stealing our wallets is called Micro transactions.
**** OFF with MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.
Just because half the Japanese/Chinese/Korean games do this does NOT mean it's a good model. This is the model for games that are on their dead beds. Games that have no development team left. Games that are DIEING!
Many people reduced their time spent in EVE in favor of games like WoT (power & convenience MTs) or LoL (vanity & convenience MTs). Maybe you'll argue that these games are fundamentally different from EVE but I think especially the wide-spread love for WoT among EVE players (and "gold ammo" in WoT gives you a very significant advantage) is a huge pointer to CCP that the issue is with "subscription AND power MTs" and not power MTs per se. So, yes, I think there is a pretty strong argument that players themselves tell CCP with their actions that MTs are at least acceptable (if not preferable to a subscription-based model). Yah, we can take me for example. At my peak I had 50+ characters and quite a bunch of accounts active in this game. I'm one of those older customers who been through most expansions and changes in this game. But since this spring I only log to change skills and read mails, more or less. I've gone to use my gaming time in WoT, LoL, both free to play. I'm also re-playing old games like Warcraft 2, the Heroes of Might and Magic series (including the beta 6). Civilization, NWN, etc. I.e. I'm playing games that either are free to play, or games I bought or downloaded years ago. I already cancelled my SW:TOR pre-order, I've dropped my EVE accounts to what is already pre-paid, and I don't really feel a reason to play anything that cost me money. That's the reality of the MMO industry as a whole, look at Blizzard, dropping 2 million subscribers in short time wasn't it? 12->10? Meanwhile free to play games are doing well. There are still people around who don't mind paying a monthly subscription, that is right, but it's a given fact that the MMO industry can see where things are heading. Free to play is the reality (right now) and something you want to introduce sooner rather than later. When Zulu posted his blog about "big changes", I actually believed CCP had taken the decision to go free to play and rely on PLEX/NeX for the future. It's quite obvious they're looking at that direction right now.
I have just 1 Account and two Chars on it but I think... I think in this case monthly subscription for EVE Online is model thats fit this game better, I come why I this is the case later.... As for WoT, I play it too... and this game is fun and free to play... and sells power... better to say "penetration of shells" ... so I like many players this days which had play EVE... I just log in and read the mails and skills some stuff... and get my hardly earned walled try out for plexes as long as it gets.
Now to the point why I play latly more WoT than EVE... it is mainly I havent so many time latly... everything is eating time right now. So If I have to choose between WoT and EVE I go for WoT because I know... I just log in get in my PzKpf V Panther with my long 7,5/100 and fight on one or two battles to get the dailys... then I log off... thats is the main reason... it just that I know I can finish some stuff in short time... in EVE, well, everthing what you start is amlost a journey and you are forced to play longer... the time I havent have. So in my case I-¦m not agaist microtransactions or CQ or Sansha Incursions etc... I thought it is a nice thing, and I personly hope for the new wiki and immersion project. A second point in my case is that some of my friend which brought me to the game left.. for differnet reasons. (SO I hope the FW update which are coming are good, to bring them back)
P.S. About WoT.. Dont forget the bitching on Overlords blog and the formus about the test server nerf (from test patch 2 to 3 on 6.6 or 6.7 I think) of the E-Series. Nothing is perfekt, but I had the feeling the community makes this game great... so I hope some will come back.
Now to the point about monthly subscription. I get this point for you (Misanth): "Free to play is the reality (right now) and something you want to introduce sooner rather than later [...] and that it is the future." I think it will be the future too... but maybe not for EVE (maybe it can survive as on of the few monthly subscription games). I think for EVE is it to late to make such a change to free to play. I mean everthing would now just seems as like it wouldnt fit in (by the way thats is the feeling I have with the microtransaction shop somehow it doesnt fit really in... always when I open the ingame window of the shop, it feels like a diffrent game). What I mean is, that Free to play is something what you have from the start or not... a later change would be just give a feeling of something is oktroyiert/forced/imposed to the code of the game. But maybe it is just me.
maybe a nice read: No Blood, No Gore, Just Megatons of Steel
now to CCP Hellmar later... I like the tone, but just in case I-¦m ready for the Charlie Brown feeling of someone takes the ball. So I-¦m ready for the worse, but I hope for the best- |
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