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Haruki Tekitsu
Eden's Knights of Malta P R I M E
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:57:00 -
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Takes a big man to admit a mistake and a bigger man to admit it publicly. My respect level for Hilmar is quite high at the moment. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:00:00 -
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Haruki Tekitsu wrote:Takes a big man to admit a mistake and a bigger man to admit it publicly. My respect level for Hilmar is quite high at the moment.
Too bad he spend a month with script writers and proof readers and sales charts.
He is no man, he is a sales man. Sales are falling, he makes a statement, sales go up, Business as usual.
He doesn't care about you or what you think, all he wants is your money, all $3000 per year instead of you paying it to the golf course. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:01:00 -
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Hey white tree mind posting a link to the other new blog as well to hush some of the ragers? |
Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:02:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Haruki Tekitsu wrote:Takes a big man to admit a mistake and a bigger man to admit it publicly. My respect level for Hilmar is quite high at the moment. Too bad he spend a month with script writers and proof readers and sales charts. He is no man, he is a sales man. Sales are falling, he makes a statement, sales go up, Business as usual. He doesn't care about you or what you think, all he wants is your money, all $3000 per year instead of you paying it to the gofl course.
I sense much bitterness in this one, Yoda. The door is not real. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:03:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Miilla wrote:Haruki Tekitsu wrote:Takes a big man to admit a mistake and a bigger man to admit it publicly. My respect level for Hilmar is quite high at the moment. Too bad he spend a month with script writers and proof readers and sales charts. He is no man, he is a sales man. Sales are falling, he makes a statement, sales go up, Business as usual. He doesn't care about you or what you think, all he wants is your money, all $3000 per year instead of you paying it to the gofl course. I sense much bitterness in this one, Yoda.
Don't you mean sand?
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:03:00 -
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Quote:From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past.
This makes me worried about things such as free to play models supported by MT. IE DDO
Quote:The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.
Really wanna get ppl behind that (as far as words go), replace "should" with "will"
Quote:Good things are coming. They always do when you learn from your mistakes. In 2007, we faced a similar crisis of confidence, and it resulted in the creation of the CSM. WeGÇÖre a better company because of it.
Um youre still out of touch then, your current CSM are leaders of groups that are trying to destabilize the economy of the game and to take over all of 0.0 so stagnation can set in and they can ransom your game against you. IMO get rid of the CSM
Quote:hired experienced industry professionals for key leadership positions
lol, yeah, Goons O.o Hi, Sreegs
Quote:But enough talk from me. We all know that much quoted phrase, GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,GÇ¥ that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward.
We'll see "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:04:00 -
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I want to see him say this on YOU TUBE in HD
WITH NO SCRIPT, I don't want to see his eyes wiggle left to right like JOE 90 or Action Man while speaking from a script.
A real honest man can do that, bet he can't.
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Trotula
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:08:00 -
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I see a lot of words, and maybe they hold water, but CCP's recent history has shown an alarming trends towards them just being PR smoke and mirrors.
One of three accounts expired last week and has been shelved. Next week another expires and will be shelved. The last of the three expires by the end of the month and will be put on the shelf.
Honestly, your going to have to over deliver on recent promises to get my attention and lure me back. I'll be in that other sci-fi MMO that is about to launch, probably with at least three dozen other Eve players that are planning to set up shop there. Your going to have to have one hell of a hat trick performed in order to draw us away from there. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:08:00 -
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I predict a MASS MAILING from CCP to inactive accounts on the Winter expansion, people log on for the FREE time, go MEH, but CCP praise how the numbers hit a new high.
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Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:13:00 -
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It would have been far more convincing without the scripted corporate suck-ass by the entire CSM in the comments thread. Is this the internet equivalent of raising your mutton joint and yell "Hear, hear!" when the king farts? |
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Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:15:00 -
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Jesus the guy wrote a blog asking apologies, blood has been spilled and people wanna see gore and dismemberment . Stop being so bitter, you got what you wanted, carry on and lets proceed for a brighter future. The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:15:00 -
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There's a lot of gullible posters in this thread. After the crapfest CCP has perpetrated in this game in the last few months, its gonna take more than an apology note. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:17:00 -
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Well after reading what Hilmar had to say, people really should be on better mood and have some more faith.
I might be somewhat naive, but I honestly think that Hilmar has accepted the fact that solid long term profit goals are better for the company than digging only from the corner with most ants. It took really much guts to say all what he said and now I'm actually happy that he is running the show again. Eve should be in good hands. Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:17:00 -
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Mendolus wrote:EVE Stig wrote:Mendolus wrote:
Let's face it, folks like you will never be happy, ever, with anything.
and apologists like you are happy with everything they sayId rather see them DO than SAY I've said dozens and dozens of times on these forums in the past few weeks that I am dissatisfied with Dominion and have been for nearly two years now and the proof is in the pudding that if CCP does not fix or remedy the situation come winter a lot of us will likely see no reason to remain in null sec. Hint: Even Goonswarm is bored with null security. Apologist, hardly. Stop thumping your pulpit. Dunno about that mate, you've been busy thumping your pulpit right through the whole thread. Read what you had to say the first time, so stop boring us with more sermons. There it is. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
69
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:19:00 -
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Tethys Atreides wrote:It would have been far more convincing without the scripted corporate suck-ass by the entire CSM in the comments thread. Is this the internet equivalent of raising your mutton joint and yell "Hear, hear!" when the king farts?
ThisGäó ^ |
mkint
115
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:20:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Haruki Tekitsu wrote:Takes a big man to admit a mistake and a bigger man to admit it publicly. My respect level for Hilmar is quite high at the moment. Too bad he spend a month with script writers and proof readers and sales charts. He is no man, he is a sales man. Sales are falling, he makes a statement, sales go up, Business as usual. He doesn't care about you or what you think, all he wants is your money, all $3000 per year instead of you paying it to the golf course. I feel dirty... I kinda agree with Miilla. As I posted in the other thread:
Quote: This blog itself was a good business decision. Whether it actually means anything is yet to be revealed. However *cautious optimism* regardless what I may think of salesmen in CEO positions.
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:20:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Jesus the guy wrote a blog asking apologies, blood has been spilled and people wanna see gore and dismemberment . Stop being so bitter, you got what you wanted, carry on and lets proceed for a brighter future.
CCP have apologised other times in the past, then turned around the next day, told the Press the opposite.
You seem to have the memory of a tadpole.
A message was sent from many of us to Sony and Star Wars Galaxies, a Message was sent from CCP to us here, and a message will be sent back again to the MMO INDUSTRY in the form of an harsh example.
Himlar clearly states in his "apology" PR blog, the industry is changing to FREE TO PLAY and INGAME transactions (not micro in CCP's case), and he clearly intends to FOLLOW THE INDUSTRY.
If you missed that, go read his blog again.
All he is doing is doing the "right thing" meaning he will still continue down his path, except using baby steps, in baby bites so you can swallow it easier.
Just like when market trading in Eve, if they wont follow your price war down 10m a go, they WILL follow you down in 1 mil steps, TEN TIMES (OR MORE) - go try it in game. It works. |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:22:00 -
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Read it.
Waiting. HOPING this is where things turn around, spaceships get love, and I go and re-up my sub. Also start a second account, because seriously Eve these days. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:24:00 -
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Dunbar Hulan wrote:Mendolus wrote:EVE Stig wrote:Mendolus wrote:
Let's face it, folks like you will never be happy, ever, with anything.
and apologists like you are happy with everything they sayId rather see them DO than SAY I've said dozens and dozens of times on these forums in the past few weeks that I am dissatisfied with Dominion and have been for nearly two years now and the proof is in the pudding that if CCP does not fix or remedy the situation come winter a lot of us will likely see no reason to remain in null sec. Hint: Even Goonswarm is bored with null security. Apologist, hardly. Stop thumping your pulpit. Dunno about that mate, you've been busy thumping your pulpit right through the whole thread. Read what you had to say the first time, so stop boring us with more sermons.
What a mundane life you must lead.
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:26:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Takamori Maruyama wrote:Jesus the guy wrote a blog asking apologies, blood has been spilled and people wanna see gore and dismemberment . Stop being so bitter, you got what you wanted, carry on and lets proceed for a brighter future. CCP have apologised other times in the past, then turned around the next day, told the Press the opposite. You seem to have the memory of a tadpole. A message was sent from many of us to Sony and Star Wars Galaxies, a Message was sent from CCP to us here, and a message will be sent back again to the MMO INDUSTRY in the form of an harsh example. Himlar clearly states in his "apology" PR blog, the industry is changing to FREE TO PLAY and INGAME transactions (not micro in CCP's case), and he clearly intends to FOLLOW THE INDUSTRY. If you missed that, go read his blog again. All he is doing is doing the "right thing" meaning he will still continue down his path, except using baby steps, in baby bites so you can swallow it easier. Just like when market trading in Eve, if they wont follow your price war down 10m a go, they WILL follow you down in 1 mil steps, TEN TIMES (OR MORE) - go try it in game. It works.
errr I'm playing the game for 4 months, still take your chill pills, you are taking too much on the serious business. Wait The Winter patch before releasing the Krakens all around.
The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:29:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Miilla wrote:Takamori Maruyama wrote:Jesus the guy wrote a blog asking apologies, blood has been spilled and people wanna see gore and dismemberment . Stop being so bitter, you got what you wanted, carry on and lets proceed for a brighter future. CCP have apologised other times in the past, then turned around the next day, told the Press the opposite. You seem to have the memory of a tadpole. A message was sent from many of us to Sony and Star Wars Galaxies, a Message was sent from CCP to us here, and a message will be sent back again to the MMO INDUSTRY in the form of an harsh example. Himlar clearly states in his "apology" PR blog, the industry is changing to FREE TO PLAY and INGAME transactions (not micro in CCP's case), and he clearly intends to FOLLOW THE INDUSTRY. If you missed that, go read his blog again. All he is doing is doing the "right thing" meaning he will still continue down his path, except using baby steps, in baby bites so you can swallow it easier. Just like when market trading in Eve, if they wont follow your price war down 10m a go, they WILL follow you down in 1 mil steps, TEN TIMES (OR MORE) - go try it in game. It works. errr I'm playing the game for 4 months, still take your chill pills, you are taking too much on the serious business. Wait The Winter patch before releasing the Krakens all around. Edit: Also, if they keep it up the game will close , people will regret sometimes in some nostalgia and life goes on.
Please buy more PLEX so I can play free.
Cheers. |
Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:30:00 -
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I will only buy plex , if you get a clear in your lower parts, too much sand of what I heard. The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:33:00 -
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I read the posts by CSM members and their supporters and am a bit disgusted by their attempts to take credit for hilmars blog post. When the CSM couldnt tell us anything worth a damn. And only took the side of the dissenters 3 months after the fact.
A Blog post that is, MANY MONTHS LATE.
Many months of polish to make it sound good. I want a you tube vid of fat hilmar so i can judge his TONE. Not read it and imagine he really means. It I need to SEE it. Netfilx email pissed me off enough as it was. But that email only came after a projection of that ceos decision would cost them a million subs and a huge lose in stock value.
IT was us the players unsubbing EN mass and continuing to keep the player base aware.
Icarna cost me a graphics card.
ONLY good thing about this is that they are on record as admitting they really messed up.
And it proves all the people saying the CCP protester gangs were just a minority were false.
MILLA had more to do with this blog post then anything the csm did IMO.
Edit: Ill wait to see what they do. This is just words i want the results. Im tired of the lies and double talk and double think crap they pull. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:34:00 -
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Let me just put this PRESS INTERVIEW from CCP here...
www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspx
Quote: Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced.
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Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:34:00 -
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Mendolus wrote:Dunbar Hulan wrote:Mendolus wrote:EVE Stig wrote:Mendolus wrote:
Let's face it, folks like you will never be happy, ever, with anything.
and apologists like you are happy with everything they sayId rather see them DO than SAY I've said dozens and dozens of times on these forums in the past few weeks that I am dissatisfied with Dominion and have been for nearly two years now and the proof is in the pudding that if CCP does not fix or remedy the situation come winter a lot of us will likely see no reason to remain in null sec. Hint: Even Goonswarm is bored with null security. Apologist, hardly. Stop thumping your pulpit. Dunno about that mate, you've been busy thumping your pulpit right through the whole thread. Read what you had to say the first time, so stop boring us with more sermons. What a mundane life you must lead.
You getting mad bro ? Get out of the pulpit and into the fresh air, helps with the whole keyboard warrior syndrome. There it is. |
Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:42:00 -
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Feh , I bet if Hilmar post a video crying ,you guys probally would saying that he is being drama actor or something like that. Instead of asking these sort of absurds, why don't you guys wait for the winter patch or cancel your subs and wait for the patch?
So now CCP find their selves in a do it or do it situation there is no more space for escapism, thats my point, but some people are running high on nerdrage to actually see it.
And **** yes its a damn corporation , main purpose is money, but now money is threatened, they are going to do something. Coming with those pseudo-anarchist-communist speechs of how evil is the corp for making money its sort of invalid... The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:43:00 -
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I for one think this Blog was excellent.
For those that claim he's just saying a lot of 'I'm sorry'.. think again. He's a CEO, he blogged about the CEO level of CCP's plans. Then LINEKD TO A SECOND BLOG WHERE THERE IS MORE NITTY GRITTY ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED.
Not vague empty promises, but real ones. There is a list of stuff there they intend to improve on. On it are several things that we've been wanting for a long long time.
Also if you read his blog, it's not just PR speak and vagaries, it's a blog of someone that finally got his head out of his other side, and admitted he was wrong.
Also, he clearly stated that the NEX store stuff is vanity stuff only, unless the industry changes dramaticly. Now think about this for a bit. Are we moving to a Free-to-play mode, probably, however, game breaking items where real money > investment of time in a game is not something you will see in ANY successfull major MMO. This is because of the simple principle of Mudflation. Where the old gear just becomes useless and you have to go jump 20 hoops or shell out 50 bucks for a new set of uber gear.
Wow has this problem, which is why it's slowly dieing. Eve on the other hand does NOT have this problem. Yes, we have inflation, and increase of the general wealth both in assets and money all over the game, this is normal for even a regular society, the trick is, that it is gradual, and not exponential. That there are valves and stopgaps which slow this down, and balance it. The simple fact that Eve is still going strong 8 years after launch is proof of this.
yes, things have been wobbly, and gone a little pear shaped this summer, and they paid for that. And now we are seeing them realising this and setting a new ( better? ) course.
As such, I don't think we'll ever see Pay2Win in Eve, simply because this will be a stab right into the heart of the game. As such, I think we'll never see anything that will enhance your skill training, or gold ammo which is superior to anything that the economy produces.
I see a good future for Eve.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
47
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:44:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I predict a MASS MAILING from CCP to inactive accounts on the Winter expansion, people log on for the FREE time, go MEH, but CCP praise how the numbers hit a new high.
They've already sent out one to a friend of mine, to check out the CQ's on SiSi i guess.
He's holding on to it if possible until Winter. We'll see what they do then.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Jita Alt666
310
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:46:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist wrote:And don't forget to comment in Hilmar's and Zulu's comment threads.
Have not read the blogs in OP yet, however seeing this post by a dev, essentially begging us to comment suggests that maybe CCP have finally started listening to both what the players say and what the players do. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
89
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:47:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I think this is a time where we WATCH MORE OF WHAT THEY DO and LESS OF WHAT THEY SAY. I know many (decent) people that would rather sacrifice their job, company, spouse or pet project than write a public admission of their errors & mistakes the way Hilmar did.
For me the essence of his statement is "I don't care what my peers in the industry think, I don't care what the gaming media will make out of this, I don't care if some of my lieutenants & employees think I have given up and caved in to silly customer demands - I do what is right because I love this game".
There are many ways Hilmar could have made this much easier for himself (while still reaching the desired affect) but he didn't.
I agree (and Hilmar himself acknowledges it as you may have noted) that ultimately actions matter, not words - but my point is that (unless you have no self-respect at all) writing words such as these are pretty drastic action in themselves.
edit: in your stereotypical profit-seeking enterprise the logical consequence of Hilmar realizing he might have made bad calls in the past would have been to fire Zulu, not to post a public admission of his own responsibility. |
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