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Ashra Tesh
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:50:00 -
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Greets.
I usually just read the forums, but don't often post.
Right now there is a couple glaring problems with the new killrights system which is otherwise awesome.
Let me tell you how to make some serious ISK out of a single killright and single sec status loss using the tried and true combination of using a single alt and stupid people with literally no risk to yourself.
Steps: (For best results, carry these out in a densely populated system, either trade hub or popular mission hub)
- Undock in a noobship (Character A) with an out of corp, neutral alt (Character B)
- Using Character A, shoot Character B and proceed to get killed by concord
- Dock up character A, wait merrily for criminal flag to expire
- Using character B, make the newly generated killright available to the public for something small like 5-10million isk (Higher amounts will work if you use more exspensive ships or the population of the system is particularily gullible)
- Undock the character A in a reasonably exspensive (And very well tanked ship)
- Wait for someone to activate the killright on character A, which will send ISK to character B.
- Immediately upon the killright activation, dock up and wait 15 minutes for suspect flag to fade.
- Undock character A, and repeat as necessary.
There are a couple huge problems with this new system that make abuse like this possible, which is otherwise fantastic.
- You do not need to kill someone to generate a kill right. This means it's easy to farm killrights with no security penalty worth mentioning.
- The killright will never expire if the character does not die as a result of a killright activation.
- The killright does not prevent station/gate games. A player can dock or jump immediately when a killright is activated.
If the above problems are addressed, this system will fufill CCP's wish of risk/reward and having consequences to your actions.
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Matthew97
Pro Synergy ARK.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 08:23:00 -
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Ashra Tesh wrote:Greets. I usually just read the forums, but don't often post. Right now there is a couple glaring problems with the new killrights system which is otherwise awesome. Let me tell you how to make some serious ISK out of a single killright and single sec status loss using the tried and true combination of using a single alt and stupid people with literally no risk to yourself. Steps: (For best results, carry these out in a densely populated system, either trade hub or popular mission hub)
- Undock in a noobship (Character A) with an out of corp, neutral alt (Character B)
- Using Character A, shoot Character B and proceed to get killed by concord
- Dock up character A, wait merrily for criminal flag to expire
- Using character B, make the newly generated killright available to the public for something small like 5-10million isk (Higher amounts will work if you use more exspensive ships or the population of the system is particularily gullible)
- Undock the character A in a reasonably exspensive (And very well tanked ship)
- Wait for someone to activate the killright on character A, which will send ISK to character B.
- Immediately upon the killright activation, dock up and wait 15 minutes for suspect flag to fade.
- Undock character A, and repeat as necessary.
There are a couple huge problems with this new system that make abuse like this possible, which is otherwise fantastic.
- You do not need to kill someone to generate a kill right. This means it's easy to farm killrights with no security penalty worth mentioning.
- The killright will never expire if the character does not die as a result of a killright activation.
- The killright does not prevent station/gate games. A player can dock or jump immediately when a killright is activated.
If the above problems are addressed, this system will fufill CCP's wish of risk/reward and having consequences to your actions.
Except that if you buy kill rights and then don't get to kill the *******, you can re-activate them any time you want for free until they get killed. |
Ashra Tesh
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 08:32:00 -
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Except that if you buy kill rights and then don't get to kill the *******, you can re-activate them any time you want for free until they get killed.
I am pretty sure it does not work like this. At least, it asked character C (The additional alt I used to activate the rights) for ISK twice.
"Buying" killrights don't make them yours, you are just paying character B for the temporary ability to make Character A vulnerable for 15 minutes. They don't appear in Character C's killrights page, and this ability is only available when you are in space and on the same grid as character A |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.05 08:42:00 -
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It is harder than before Retribution to get a kill right.
What do you have to do?
- POD someone in lowsec. (Killing the ship is not enough)
Gank someone in highsec.
Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Ashra Tesh
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
4
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Posted - 2012.12.05 08:47:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:It is harder than before Retribution to get a kill right. What do you have to do?
- POD someone in lowsec. (Killing the ship is not enough)
Gank someone in highsec.
Incorrect.
Agression is all it takes.
You only need to shoot a ship or pod in hisec (You do not need to finish them off) In lowsec, all you need to do is shoot the pod. (Again, a kill is not required but shooting a ship will not grant the killright) |
VonKolroth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:04:00 -
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I really just don't see the problem here. If people are dumb enough to activate killrights while someone is in docking range of a station and expect them to not dock... well, they've invested they're ISKies poorly. |
Terrorfrodo
GNADE Inc.
267
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:05:00 -
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Then don't buy a killright on someone who is currently in docking range or jumping range? This is just a new way for legitimate scamming. Not sure why it should need fixing. . |
Matthew97
Pro Synergy ARK.
78
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:06:00 -
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Ashra Tesh wrote:Quote:
Except that if you buy kill rights and then don't get to kill the *******, you can re-activate them any time you want for free until they get killed.
I am pretty sure it does not work like this. At least, it asked character C (The additional alt I used to activate the rights) for ISK twice. "Buying" killrights don't make them yours, you are just paying character B for the temporary ability to make Character A vulnerable for 15 minutes. They don't appear in Character C's killrights page, and this ability is only available when you are in space and on the same grid as character A
Unless its been changed, we could re-activate kill rights as much as we wanted after buying them until someone (not necessarily you) killed them on bucky. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10760
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:08:00 -
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So what's the issue again?
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
254
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:23:00 -
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10 mill cost killrights may be activated 4 times per hour max. Making this activity worth less than 40mill/hour. Not that interesting unless you make killrights cost 25-30mil ISK making hourly rate ~ 100mill (assuming people will still want to buy them).
To make target more attractive you might want to put bounty (100mil or so).
It's amazing how every new feature of EVE can be abused as new type of scam. |
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Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
127
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:36:00 -
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I think the problem is retracting killright after its been bought by someone... That shouldnt happen imo. I paid 1 mil of learning money in Jita before DT.. Not that the money is important but the system is open to some abuse apparently.
Note: the guy didnt dock. The killright just vanished. I got "this killright is no longer available" message, I wonder if the new safety saved me from getting concorded. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
308
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:39:00 -
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Reserved |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1572
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:17:00 -
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As was mentioned many thousands, maybe even millions of times before the patch came out, scamming is literally the only thing this new system is useful for, since high-sec gankers are for the most part already outlaws and can be shot anywhere anyway, and low-sec pirates don't really go to high-sec anyway.
Enjoy your wolf in sheep's clothing, carebears. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5772
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:19:00 -
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Wait... the ISK if you sell it goes to the issuer? I thought it didn't work like that?
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Emu Meo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:23:00 -
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I think people lose their minds and forget how to play eve when a new expansion comes out. Since when has anyone ever thought a nice shiny ship sitting on a station entrance asking people for fight was ever going to get a kill before the expansion? You could simply wait with an alt until they eventually get bored and go and do something proper, then activate the kill right and gank them properly. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1572
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:25:00 -
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Emu Meo wrote:I think people lose their minds and forget how to play eve when a new expansion comes out. Since when has anyone ever thought a nice shiny ship sitting on a station entrance asking people for fight was ever going to get a kill before the expansion? You could simply wait with an alt until they eventually get bored and go and do something proper, then activate the kill right and gank them properly. Except the kill right can be recalled by the scammer when he gets bored of doing this.
Forget how to play indeed. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Vihura
Vihura Cor
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:04:00 -
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yesterdeay I activate kill rights on some unfortunety he was in drake i was in kestrel i shot him abaut 10 minutes when I checked 0 isk was deducted for kill right, i think you dont pay until you kill the guy... |
Emu Meo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:10:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Emu Meo wrote:I think people lose their minds and forget how to play eve when a new expansion comes out. Since when has anyone ever thought a nice shiny ship sitting on a station entrance asking people for fight was ever going to get a kill before the expansion? You could simply wait with an alt until they eventually get bored and go and do something proper, then activate the kill right and gank them properly. Except the kill right can be recalled by the scammer when he gets bored of doing this. Forget how to play indeed.
That is true heh. Well it isnt exactly forgeting how to play as this is a new system that has just been implemented. But the original and main point is still why would anyone bother playing station games with a station camper anyway, we all know that it's almost impossible to get the kill enless they get a disconnect or some other random act. So that's why I don't think this idea would work.
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Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:19:00 -
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another delightful use for the bump fleet stabber
bouncing killright whores off the gates and stations before you activate and they make like a tree and die in a fire.
paging James 315 to the thread You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |
Scrutt5
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
7
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:22:00 -
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Non PVPers won't buy your killrights. PVPers will see obtaining the kill is next to pointless.
Remind me how is this gonna make you millions of isk. |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1575
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:24:00 -
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Scrutt5 wrote:Non PVPers won't buy your killrights. PVPers will see obtaining the kill is next to pointless.
Remind me how is this gonna make you millions of isk. Yeah, they will, lol. Make yourself an enticing enough target, and even a bear might take a swipe. Use their greed against them. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
2194
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:47:00 -
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No issue here :)
Anyone who activates a killright is responsible for doing it in a situation where they can get the maximum benefit. There is only so much handholding we can do. |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1575
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:49:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:There is only so much handholding we can do. Really? I'd like to call you out on that one. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
2194
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:50:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:There is only so much handholding we can do. Really? I'd like to call you out on that one.
Alright, there is only so much handholding I'm willing to do |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1575
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:52:00 -
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Yes. You hold one hand, and Greyscale holds the other.
And then six months later, haulers get their EHP quadrupled. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:54:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:It's amazing how every new feature of EVE can be abused as new type of scam.
Working as intended.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5703
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:03:00 -
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so uh I don't get it, are people actually paying for the privilege of fighting somebody else's battles or am I missing something here ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. An idea for improving corp management |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1575
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:so uh I don't get it, are people actually paying for the privilege of fighting somebody else's battles or am I missing something here That was the intent, yes, and so far it's failing spectacularly. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5703
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:16:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andski wrote:so uh I don't get it, are people actually paying for the privilege of fighting somebody else's battles or am I missing something here That was the intent, yes, and so far it's failing spectacularly.
You mean to tell me that a ~huge~ part of the new killright system is dead on arrival? I am shocked!
I was hoping for a feature that allowed you to pay someone to exercise a killright within x amount of time, putting the ISK in escrow. Maybe allowing the client to specify that the damage incurred by the target must exceed a given value, with a collateral option in case the killright is wasted on something not meeting that goal.
But I guess the idea of paying somebody so you can fight their battles was easier to implement or something. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. An idea for improving corp management |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
398
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:18:00 -
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I don't see the problem here, anyone trying to take a killright on an unagressed ship at undock is throwing isk away regardless of how the killright was created, anyone dumb enough to do this gets what they deserve. |
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