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Gunship
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:22:00 -
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While in 0.0 space this may have it place among capital ships and where anything that is not blue is a target I find in FW this is just another "I win button" for those who already have too much isk. Compare it to the learning skills that CCP finally had the sense to remove.
Two issues I see that needs fixing in FW:
1) Any type of boosting should only be allowed to ships on the grid and within target range of the ship it gives the boost to (IE 300km off gate should not work either). 2) Any ship giving this type of boost should automatically become a war target even if the pilot is not in FW (we all know its an Alt, so the intent is there).
Ask yourself this? a) Is your SFI not good enough on its own without the LOGI boost? b) Should a ship not in FW be allowed to boost a ship in FW?
If CCP wants to make this game more friendly to newer players it needs to remove **** like this. Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
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Bengal Bob
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:34:00 -
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Boosting alts are indeed annoying.
Problem that you have is that 99.999% of boosting alts in FW orbit the gates and so are safe unless you can alpha them whilst someone else is engaging their main.
Even if they were in the plex, the fact that you can't warp around inside means that they would be safe at range.
Would be nice if boosts were brought in line with logi so that they got the agression timer too so that you could scan them in space or pop them on gates, but this won't be quick to change. |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:41:00 -
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Bengal Bob wrote: Would be nice if boosts were brought in line with logi so that they got the agression timer too so that you could scan them in space or pop them on gates
Agree with your post and the aggression timer is a good idea
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Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Reckless Faith
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:22:00 -
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Agree here to 100% with you guys. Give boosting alts agression timers. Always funny to hear in local from guys with boost that they want a good honored 1vs1. Rofl. Cheating and exploiting the hell out of the s.... but whining that they don-¦t get 1vs1.
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Hazzard
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:35:00 -
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In the Eve Open CCP Fozie mentioned he wants this too. Sounds like it's coming, just a matter of priorities. |
SAJUK NIGARRA
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:28:00 -
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Wah wah wah, I cba to train or buy another char, I cba to grind isk to pay more subs, I don't want to put effort in to dualboxing, but I want equal chances. Cry me a river. Eve rewards time and effort put in. (allthough that's slowly going to the shitter).
Also, confirming quoting from Trinkets is the best way to get your point across. By the way, I've seen this great piece of investigative journalism on FOX News ...
Oh, also, requesting special pvp mechanics for FW is ... well, let's just say it should be a picture of you in the dictionary next to special flowsnake. |
Voi Lutois
The Tough Guys
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:54:00 -
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Train your own OGB like everyone else did and even the field. |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:57:00 -
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SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:Wah wah wah, I cba to train or buy another char, I cba to grind isk to pay more subs, I don't want to put effort in to dualboxing, but I want equal chances. Cry me a river. Eve rewards time and effort put in. (allthough that's slowly going to the shitter).
Also, confirming quoting from Trinkets is the best way to get your point across. By the way, I've seen this great piece of investigative journalism on FOX News ...
Oh, also, requesting special pvp mechanics for FW is ... well, let's just say it should be a picture of you in the dictionary next to special flowsnake.
So you want Pay 2 Win, who is crying a river... That would be you!
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Maeltstome
The Burning Red
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:07:00 -
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SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:Wah wah wah, I cba to train or buy another char, I cba to grind isk to pay more subs, I don't want to put effort in to dualboxing, but I want equal chances. Cry me a river. Eve rewards time and effort put in. (allthough that's slowly going to the shitter).
Also, confirming quoting from Trinkets is the best way to get your point across. By the way, I've seen this great piece of investigative journalism on FOX News ...
Oh, also, requesting special pvp mechanics for FW is ... well, let's just say it should be a picture of you in the dictionary next to special flowsnake.
Man, your ass is gonna string when they drop T3's to 2%. |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:09:00 -
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Voi Lutois wrote:Train your own OGB like everyone else did and even the field.
Fine for 0.0, where your OGB has a real change of getting owned, it has no place in FW where plex'es are trying to even the playing field. It's not exactly the 1 month pvp'er who is flying to the small plex in his T1 fitted rifter that gets the boost! That would be the fraction fitted piriate frigate sitting at the end of the gate. Exactly how much advantage do you need?
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Opera Noir
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:48:00 -
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There has been numerous allusions by CCP that this would change, it's going to come when they work on the rebalance for BC's, BS's etc. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:14:00 -
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Voi Lutois wrote:Train your own OGB like everyone else did and even the field.
Yep everyone should be dual boxing alts. ALTSONLINE.
Face it, as the OGBs proliferate eve becomes worse. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Abyssum Invocat
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:25:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Voi Lutois wrote:Train your own OGB like everyone else did and even the field. Yep everyone should be dual boxing alts. ALTSONLINE. Face it, as the OGBs proliferate eve becomes worse. For once, I find myself agreeing with Cearain. I'm delighted that CCP is finally doing something about OGB. |
Elvis Fett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:53:00 -
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OGB has no place in EVE Online, period. If you want the boosts then quit being risk adverse and bring the booster on grid. If you are afraid to bring your booster into the fight, then that booster should not play a role in determining the outcome of the fight. Boosting from near complete safety off grid makes about as much sense as me being able to park my Tornado in Jita 4-4 and firing out the windows popping industrials from complete safety from within the station. Then anytime anyone bitches about it I would say "Train or buy your own tornado pilot... blah blah blah."
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:37:00 -
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It should be removed period. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.12.05 17:46:00 -
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Any time the proposed solution is "get your own", there's probably a serious balance problem. |
Feffri
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:22:00 -
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I personally don't mind off grid boosting i think it allows the small corps to have boosts, and allows them to be on an equal playing field. Before ogb'n smaller corps like mine couldn't afford damnations and claymores so we were at a disadvantage but we can afford ogbers because of the small amount you loose them. I would say a better nerf would be to make it so when say a loki turns on its skirmish links that even with ladar mods it would be as easy to scan down as a battleship.
However if they do get rid of ogbing then i'd like to see destroyers fill the small ship small gang role for fleet bonus's. E.G. thrasher is like a hurricane with no boost but has fitting reduction to fleet boost mods and a t2 version that acts like a claymore with ship bonus to fleet boosting. Leave whether it should be same boost or smaller up for debate. I would say same because as a destroyer it's much more squishy and can be taken off field easier but a 1-2% less boost per skill would also be ok. also in big fleets it would be more difficult to pick out which character is the boosting character. Also this would allow newer players to fairly quickly get into a fleet boosting ship. Also could make it so destroyer can only boost a squad or 1 wing at most. So that it is only for small engagments. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:40:00 -
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Gunship wrote:"Besides, the biggest doctrine in FW right now is OGB alts. it is more important to tank via loki boosts than worry about lowslot versus midslot tanking philosophy. The moment you turn on automagical loki, it doesn't matter whether you actually have a tank, because you get mystical spirit fingers speed and unicorn levels of point rangge and sig radius voodoo. "
I actually think something should be done about OGB, but its hard to agree when you have people writing this crap.
Don't forget, once OGB is gone (which it should) there will be something else to take its place to whine about. I dislike OGB but I think its a vast improvement on the falcon alts which preceded it, at least I can lock a loki boosted ship. At the end of the day these advantages will still exist and people who can't beat / join them will always complain.
Almost all the arguments applied to OGBs can be applied to pirate implant sets, they are pretty much safe in empire space (like OGB) and offer advantages that can't be countered (like OGB) and some people can't afford them. |
Mystical Might
Alekhine's Gun Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:08:00 -
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Don't touch my implants yo. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:48:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Agree here to 100% with you guys. Give boosting alts agression timers. Always funny to hear in local from guys with boost that they want a good honored 1vs1. Rofl. Cheating and exploiting the hell out of the s.... but whining that they don-¦t get 1vs1.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1191
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:52:00 -
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Bengal Bob wrote:Boosting alts are indeed annoying.
Problem that you have is that 99.999% of boosting alts in FW orbit the gates and so are safe unless you can alpha them whilst someone else is engaging their main..
thats the old way of doing it. The new is to deploy a 70mil isk small tower and park your booster there. If somebody kills the tower just laugh at him for the wasted time and deploy a new one the next day. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:07:00 -
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Yeah remove offgrid boosting so that my Loki alt becomes a Falcon alt like it should have been.
So what do you prefer, fighting a ship with enhanced capabilities, or fighting a ship you can't lock ?
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:33:00 -
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All off-grid boosting is going to be removed anyway when they redo battlecruisers and the T3 command booster subsystem. Mane 614
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1192
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:37:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Yeah remove offgrid boosting so that my Loki alt becomes a Falcon alt like it should have been.
So what do you prefer, fighting a ship with enhanced capabilities, or fighting a ship you can't lock ?
I would not fight in both cases when i solo a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:15:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Yeah remove offgrid boosting so that my Loki alt becomes a Falcon alt like it should have been.
So what do you prefer, fighting a ship with enhanced capabilities, or fighting a ship you can't lock ?
EDIT :
If the boosting alt is on a gate, aggro it, he'll have to jump out within 20s. And, since it's a supposedly invulnerable alt on a gate, maybe someone isn't paying attention to it and you can get an easy T3 kill.
If the boosting alt is somewhere else in a safe, probe it.
If the boosting alt is in a tower, ask for the 1v1er to fight in the next system.
The best way to mess with boosting T3s is to fight around gates. If you manage to make them change system, the T3 won't be there for at least 2 to 3mns. Switching systems constantly makes it a massive PITA for the boosting alt.
Unfortunately allot of fights in FW are conducted in frigs and destroyers which cannot engage booster alts on gates because they cannot pop the ship before the gate guns pop them, this may be improved a whole bunch now the logi frigates are in because we may be able to tank gate guns a little more but im doubtfull it will anywhere near perma tank.
Booster alts really are a problem in FW but FW does not in anyway need special PVP mechanics over and above what we already have, Low sec has good and bad points, no bubbles so much less podding but gate guns so harder to fight on gates.
As many people have already pointed off grid boosters have been talked about and are being looked at by CCP, this has been public knowledge for a good few weeks now, if this was reddit id call you a karma *****. Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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SAJUK NIGARRA
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:39:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Unfortunately allot of fights in FW are conducted in frigs and destroyers
I agree |
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:03:00 -
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As CEO of the leading Minmatar Militia corporation I fully support your idea. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
691
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Posted - 2012.12.06 19:12:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Almost all the arguments applied to OGBs can be applied to pirate implant sets, they are pretty much safe in empire space (like OGB) and offer advantages that can't be countered (like OGB) and some people can't afford them.
Thats not true. You do not need to dual box an alt to use implants.
I would actually like the bonuses you get from off grid boosting if I did not need to dual box an alt to get them. I think the bonuses add a nice additional layer of complexity to ship/gang fittings.
My only problem with them is you have to dual box an alt to get them and for me that is too immersion breaking. Eve changes from a fun spaceship game to a tedious job.
If you could get the same benefits of a booster ship by keeping a crew or something I would not mind them at all. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
786
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:36:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Agree here to 100% with you guys. Give boosting alts agression timers. Always funny to hear in local from guys with boost that they want a good honored 1vs1. Rofl. Cheating and exploiting the hell out of the s.... but whining that they don-¦t get 1vs1.
Confirming that Thrasher + Loki vs Thrasher = 1v1.
I originally liked the idea of having Warfare Link gives you a Weapons Timers (60 seconds of, you cannot dock, you cannot eject, you cannot jump through a gate).... but in reality if a t3 is sitting on a gate or station providing links, you only need to bring 3-4 Tornado's and you can alpha him.... (sometimes more, sometimes less depending on the tank).
I do agree, that offgrid boosting needs a serious revamp.....
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
692
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Posted - 2012.12.06 22:17:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Yeah remove offgrid boosting so that my Loki alt becomes a Falcon alt like it should have been. So what do you prefer, fighting a ship with enhanced capabilities, or fighting a ship you can't lock ? EDIT : SMT008 wrote: If the boosting alt is on a gate, aggro it, he'll have to jump out within 20s. And, since it's a supposedly invulnerable alt on a gate, maybe someone isn't paying attention to it and you can get an easy T3 kill..
We can all hope to get a free t3 kill when someone is afk on the gate. Good luck.
SMT008 wrote: If the boosting alt is somewhere else in a safe, probe it..
I don't fit probes on my pvp ships.
SMT008 wrote: If the boosting alt is in a tower, ask for the 1v1er to fight in the next system..
Why assume this is a 1v1? Not all faction war fights are agreed duels.
SMT008 wrote: The best way to mess with boosting T3s is to fight around gates. If you manage to make them change system, the T3 won't be there for at least 2 to 3mns. Switching systems constantly makes it a massive PITA for the boosting alt.
Fighting at gates is a good way to get ganked as well.
Falcons aren't as much of a problem in faction war as ogb. I think its because having a killboard where all your kills include a falcon would be pretty embarrassing. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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