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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:14:00 -
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HTFU (Contains Language)
With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them.
This is only the beginning!
Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever! Xenuria CSM 8 |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
517
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:17:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever!
Personally, I'm glad you have to actually play the game. But expect the next argument against AFK cloaking to be "But I have to sit at my screen to run missions!!!one elventy-one one !!!!111!!!" Bumping, leave it alone. |
RomeStar
Astra Research
53
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:19:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever!
I saw two bots mining this morning it sure doesnt look like it stopped them. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Reidar Oskald
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:20:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever! Personally, I'm glad you have to actually play the game. But expect the next argument against AFK cloaking to be "But I have to sit at my screen to run missions!!!one elventy-one one !!!!111!!!"
I'm glad people have to play now too, this anti-bot stuff is nice. I am curious what people will say about AFK cloakers, probably something along the lines of what you said. Its a funny tactic, I also like the less subtle ones where they aren't cloaked, just come as deep into enemy territory as possible, and dock. Hilarity.
Reidar |
Reidar Oskald
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:21:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever! I saw two bots mining this morning it sure doesnt look like it stopped them.
I don't think this change is against bot miners, just bot missioners. I also think its CCP's way of making missioners have to take fleets for missions, not solo them all by themselves.
Reidar |
Dr No Game
Android Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:24:00 -
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Reidar Oskald wrote:I don't think this change is against bot miners, just bot missioners. I also think its CCP's way of making missioners have to take fleets for missions, not solo them all by themselves.Reidar I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P
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The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
2
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:27:00 -
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Reidar Oskald wrote:RomeStar wrote:Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever! I saw two bots mining this morning it sure doesnt look like it stopped them. I don't think this change is against bot miners, just bot missioners. I also think its CCP's way of making missioners have to take fleets for missions, not solo them all by themselves. Reidar
They didnt change the damage just the agro i still run lvl4s in my pally with no real change to how i ran them before.
Not only that i stil have a legion that i use when i know i am up against a lot of frigs/cruisers. Only time it is faster than my pally. |
Reidar Oskald
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:29:00 -
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Dr No Game wrote:I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P
You said it yourself, MMO, massive MULTIPLAYER online... Level 4's make so much isk, its insane. By having you split that wealth with your friends/ALT's, whatever, it now serves its purpose. Also, these are the harder set of missions, and should need friends to complete. Working as intended, if you ask me. I just wish the AFK'ers would get this through their skulls, however the only time they speak up is when things DON'T go their way... I'm enjoying all this on the Forums, quite entertaining while I numbly sit at school, writing assignments.
Reidar |
RomeStar
Astra Research
53
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:29:00 -
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Dr No Game wrote:Reidar Oskald wrote:I don't think this change is against bot miners, just bot missioners. I also think its CCP's way of making missioners have to take fleets for missions, not solo them all by themselves.Reidar I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P
I agree afterall drones are CCPs minature bots. Why not remove drones completely they are now worthless wouldnt you agree? Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Sentamon
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:30:00 -
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Dr No Game wrote:Reidar Oskald wrote:I don't think this change is against bot miners, just bot missioners. I also think its CCP's way of making missioners have to take fleets for missions, not solo them all by themselves.Reidar I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P
If you can't find a handful of friends to mission with you can always make an alt. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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RomeStar
Astra Research
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:30:00 -
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Reidar Oskald wrote:Dr No Game wrote:I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P
You said it yourself, MMO, massive MULTIPLAYER online... Level 4's make so much isk, its insane. By having you split that wealth with your friends/ALT's, whatever, it now serves its purpose. Also, these are the harder set of missions, and should need friends to complete. Working as intended, if you ask me. I just wish the AFK'ers would get this through their skulls, however the only time they speak up is when things DON'T go their way... I'm enjoying all this on the Forums, quite entertaining while I numbly sit at school, writing assignments. Reidar
Be careful your preschool teacher might get pissed Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
487
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:30:00 -
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Dr No Game wrote:Reidar Oskald wrote:I don't think this change is against bot miners, just bot missioners. I also think its CCP's way of making missioners have to take fleets for missions, not solo them all by themselves.Reidar I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P atm from what I've seen "Properly equpiped" means tengu.
no, really, with the new AI and the fact that whole rooms aggro you, the best platform to run lvl4's is the tengu. Battleships are too big and, altho doable with them, you'll end up running out of drones and either sit there trying to pot-shot frigates with large turrets, or shooting them with CM/torps, because they just simply murder drones.
now, is this a bad thing? no, the tengu needed a boost with the nerf it got. But yes however, because anything droneboat is nigh on useless for doing lvl4's. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
730
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:30:00 -
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Dr No Game wrote:Reidar Oskald wrote:I don't think this change is against bot miners, just bot missioners. I also think its CCP's way of making missioners have to take fleets for missions, not solo them all by themselves.Reidar I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P
You can solo Level 3's. Quite easily. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
557
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:32:00 -
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So you think retribution makes software that does everything you can stop working?
No. It just means that software gets updated.
You should keep in mind that botting software exists because someone is most likely smarter than you, before you post about no more botting. |
Reidar Oskald
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
10
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:33:00 -
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The CandyGirl wrote:They didnt change the damage just the agro i still run lvl4s in my pally with no real change to how i ran them before.
But that's running them in a Marauder, which requires a lot of training and isk. Most of the tears about this change is the AFK cheap-*** carebears that drop their tank in the room, launch aggressive drones, and go eat/nap/whatever while their drones clear the room for them. Now, their drones get aggro'ed and they have to *gasp* pay attention to the game and can't do this for hours at a time with no input.
Reidar |
Reidar Oskald
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:36:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Reidar Oskald wrote:Dr No Game wrote:I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P
You said it yourself, MMO, massive MULTIPLAYER online... Level 4's make so much isk, its insane. By having you split that wealth with your friends/ALT's, whatever, it now serves its purpose. Also, these are the harder set of missions, and should need friends to complete. Working as intended, if you ask me. I just wish the AFK'ers would get this through their skulls, however the only time they speak up is when things DON'T go their way... I'm enjoying all this on the Forums, quite entertaining while I numbly sit at school, writing assignments. Reidar Be careful your preschool teacher might get pissed
I'd say I wouldn't dignify this with a response, but by saying this I guess I am... but yeah, good jab /
Reidar |
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
2
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:36:00 -
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Only thing about lvl4s that was changed was that they are harder to afk in.
The ability to solo them was not changed. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
572
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:38:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever!
The change doesn't do anything to mission runners, unless they're in drone boats. AFK drone boats will see no change, as they're already repping their drones, and omnitanked beyond anything a level 4 will dish out.
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1865
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:40:00 -
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I am absolutely 613% positive that level 4's can still be solo'd. It is just a matter of time before someone figures it out. EVE is not about PvP.-á EVE is about the SANDBOX! |
Reidar Oskald
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
10
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:41:00 -
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The CandyGirl wrote:Only thing about lvl4s that was changed was that they are harder to afk in.
The ability to solo them was not changed.
I will admit, I don't do level 4's anymore, but I live in Null, so I do sites usually. I haven't had a chance to test the new AI yet, but from what I've heard here on the forums and from a few Alliance mates, the AI tends to target and kill drones very quickly, and people are losing a lot of drones. Most people do these in Battleships, and rely on drones to kill the little frigs and whatnot, and if the drones go, then they can't hope to kill them with large weaponry. That is what I've gotten out of this whole argument.
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
189
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:41:00 -
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I'm kind of hoping our resident economist posts about the average isk created through missions before and after the patch. Be interesting to see if anything actually does change. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:44:00 -
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Reidar Oskald wrote:Dr No Game wrote:I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P
You said it yourself, MMO, massive MULTIPLAYER online... Level 4's make so much isk, its insane. By having you split that wealth with your friends/ALT's, whatever, it now serves its purpose. Also, these are the harder set of missions, and should need friends to complete. Working as intended, if you ask me. I just wish the AFK'ers would get this through their skulls, however the only time they speak up is when things DON'T go their way... I'm enjoying all this on the Forums, quite entertaining while I numbly sit at school, writing assignments. Reidar I'm willing to bet that in less than a month the gains people are praising in reducing lvl 4 income will be completely lost at least until the bug where drone are not retargetted after being recalled then redeployed. Even then there will just be another set of best practices for income generation. Overall I don't see things changing in the long run, just a bit more tedium, which passes here for "challenge" some how and similar of not the same income generation.
Also doing group lvl 4's efficiently doesn't reduce income through sharing. It just gives more to both. If people do group up it just means that if they were good at dumping isk into the economy before, they will only get better. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:47:00 -
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sorry .. but i lolled hard at the comment about level 4's paying out massive amounts of isk.
... too funny Sack the dumb mofo who decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:48:00 -
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Reidar Oskald wrote:The CandyGirl wrote:Only thing about lvl4s that was changed was that they are harder to afk in.
The ability to solo them was not changed. I will admit, I don't do level 4's anymore, but I live in Null, so I do sites usually. I haven't had a chance to test the new AI yet, but from what I've heard here on the forums and from a few Alliance mates, the AI tends to target and kill drones very quickly, and people are losing a lot of drones. Most people do these in Battleships, and rely on drones to kill the little frigs and whatnot, and if the drones go, then they can't hope to kill them with large weaponry. That is what I've gotten out of this whole argument. Reidar
That is bassicaly the only change. So i now have 15 lights instead of 5 med 5 lights as a backup. But they are only used when the frigs are close it is faster just to one shot them when they approach. I just have the watch my drones more.
But meh i personaly think lvl4s need to be much harder i make way to much for no risk. |
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:51:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:sorry .. but i lolled hard at the comment about level 4's paying out massive amounts of isk. ... too funny I make 100-150 mil a hour I blast through everythin on this char then my alt is one gate behind salvaging and looting. Which also acts as a scout for possible ganks |
Reidar Oskald
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:57:00 -
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The CandyGirl wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:sorry .. but i lolled hard at the comment about level 4's paying out massive amounts of isk. ... too funny I make 100-150 mil a hour I blast through everythin on this char then my alt is one gate behind salvaging and looting. Which also acts as a scout for possible ganks
My point exactly, I was making decent isk when I was in High Sec doing 4's, and looting made a lot as well when you sell/break it down and market it. Also, as previously mentioned, I did them a lot in groups from my corp, and we flew through missions, which was about the same amount solo'ing due to the faster missions in groups, but its tons more fun with them than alone, obviously.
Reidar |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
169
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:15:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever!
You do realize that it's not only AFK mission runners this affects, right? I have never AFKed a mission in my life, but yet, my drones are suffering just as bad as bots and AFK mission runners. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
572
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:16:00 -
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The CandyGirl wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:sorry .. but i lolled hard at the comment about level 4's paying out massive amounts of isk. ... too funny I make 100-150 mil a hour I blast through everythin on this char then my alt is one gate behind salvaging and looting. Which also acts as a scout for possible ganks
You did the missions solo in a drone boat and made 100-150M/hr?
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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
628
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:18:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever! You do realize that it's not only AFK mission runners this affects, right? I have never AFKed a mission in my life, but yet, my drones are suffering just as bad as bots and AFK mission runners.
Drones were never supposed to be magically immune to rats. They dont priorities drones unless they are easier to hit than you. Xenuria CSM 8 |
Reidar Oskald
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
10
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:20:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever! You do realize that it's not only AFK mission runners this affects, right? I have never AFKed a mission in my life, but yet, my drones are suffering just as bad as bots and AFK mission runners.
And if that's the case, I'm all for looking at a revamp here, I saw someone mention less damage to drones so you can recall them and they get to you while taking potshots? I haven't tested the AI, then again I only use drones for frigs and run sites or belt rats in null, but will update whenever I get time to play and test stuff out. I honestly sat and looked at pretty ships last night when I finally got it downloaded
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