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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
572
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:25:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever! You do realize that it's not only AFK mission runners this affects, right? I have never AFKed a mission in my life, but yet, my drones are suffering just as bad as bots and AFK mission runners. Drones were never supposed to be magically immune to rats. They dont priorities drones unless they are easier to hit than you.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? The rats switch based on signature size, to try and fight things closer to their own size. That's why frigs and elite frigs go after the drones, but the battleships don't. If they were to prioritize based on easier to hit, i think the BS with a 650 signature size would hold the aggro. Of course, the drones get signature bloom while moving with MWD, which is why people say they're getting popped nearly instantly.
There's like a 36 page thread in the test forum about all this, if you want to go read up and come back with a clue.
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Zack Korth
The Deneveh Collective High Rollers
20
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:29:00 -
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the frigs pop your drones because frigs are closer in size to the drones, which is why battleships don't target them, i pop the frigs first, then unload my drones and sic em on the battleships, haven't lost any :) |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
628
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:40:00 -
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Zack Korth wrote:the frigs pop your drones because frigs are closer in size to the drones, which is why battleships don't target them, i pop the frigs first, then unload my drones and sic em on the battleships, haven't lost any :)
Excellent strategy, also one that requires you to do one thing before another. Xenuria CSM 8 |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
21
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:01:00 -
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The CandyGirl wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:sorry .. but i lolled hard at the comment about level 4's paying out massive amounts of isk. ... too funny I make 100-150 mil a hour I blast through everythin on this char then my alt is one gate behind salvaging and looting. Which also acts as a scout for possible ganks
really?... cos i only make about 75 mil from bounties in a nights worth of doing level 4's ... im lucky if iget 8 missions done in that time///
if its longer ones like the extravas i usually only get about 6 in.
Sack the dumb mofo who decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2121
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:05:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever!
A poster who never fails to fail.
All what bots need to do is to switch to Tengus.
The most evolved bots can just send drones => recall drones (lose aggro) => send drones again. WOOHOOO it'll take all of 1 week before bots have adapted. GG! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
170
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:08:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:I'm kind of hoping our resident economist posts about the average isk created through missions before and after the patch. Be interesting to see if anything actually does change.
wasn't he fired ?
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decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:09:00 -
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Let me say this, when i started this char drones were the only viable dps for gallente, hybrid guns were so bad people would put auto-cannons or artillery on instead and sod the bonus. So i have invested a lot of time and money into my drone boat, now i don't afk i prefer to sit here and give commands. Done properly im having no difficulties with lv4 missions on my own, tho i will say the speed with witch npcs turn on light drones is a bit much.
If you want to remove drones fine, but be sure to refund all my damn skill points and money ive invested in this branch of damage. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1219
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:19:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:I'm kind of hoping our resident economist posts about the average isk created through missions before and after the patch. Be interesting to see if anything actually does change. I doubt it. Ive run several L4 missions solo in my Navy Domi. The drone aggro is weak and easily manageable. I lost all of 2 light drones because I was watching TV while missioning, and did not check often enough. On the other hand CCP buffed the Drone Damage Amp. The NPCs just melt before my sentries.
Before very few missions could be AFKed. The drones can always trigger a new wave, and catch aggro. Or if there are multiple rooms, you do have to actually fly over and activate a gate. Or you need to switch drones to handle different ship types. I do not see how anyone could have AFKed the entirety of AE4. So its gone from a few missions can be AFKed, to no missions. Its not a big change. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
fukier
Flatline.
224
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:22:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:HTFU (Contains Language)With retribution finally here a cold and icy chaos is falling upon New Eden. Botters and AFK mission runners are no longer able to make Risk Free Isk from level 4s and other similar encounters. Retribution is forcing people to actually PLAY eve instead of leaving to make some food while some task is accomplished for them. This is only the beginning! Put all your tears (quotes) in this thread and let us build the biggest bucket ever!
i use a drake with an auto targeter and have one of these pressing f1 for me... you just have to attach a pen to its beak...
you can still afk if you really wanna...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
82
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:24:00 -
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Same here I would like to recover my skillpoints spent in drones it would be easier to butthurt bots by just removing AGGRESSIVE MODE for drone out of the game
No more mission runner afk no more miners AFK ( increase pirates dps in asteroids belt) Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
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fukier
Flatline.
226
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:30:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:Same here I would like to recover my skillpoints spent in drones it would be easier to butthurt bots by just removing AGGRESSIVE MODE for drone out of the game
No more mission runner afk no more miners AFK ( increase pirates dps in asteroids belt)
i have 17 million sp in drones htfu...
you know if you leave high sec you can use a smart bomb to kill the small rats?
just saying...
and if you spam directional scanner you wont die either...
just saying... At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Kendra Chang
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:55:00 -
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And this is why there was so much talk prior to the patch about balancing Level 4 missions to bring the risk vs reward in line with the rest of the game.
This was why all of the level 4 missions were carefully tested to see if the game mechanics fell in line with similar PVE activities.
Oh... wait, they weren't and people are reporting that there have been significant changes to a non-insignificant portion of your average capsuleer's career. (prior to alleged genitalia growth and playing with the "grown ups" in low and null-sec)
I'm not going to argue against the opinion that AFK lvl 4 missioning is wrong. I'm not going to argue that the lvl 4 missions should be more challenging, and I think that we're close to that mark.
But level 4 missions - specifically scripted events and aggro is broken at this point. Spawns and groups have totally changed engagement protocol, and that can result in ships going pop - even if you're being careful.
Whining about it isnt productive, but neither is telling people to suck it up - what is important is being able to communicate issues with the changes without it being cluttered with derision from those people who don't play PVE anymore and thinks everyone needs to grow genitalia to match theirs and thinks that everyone should play their version of the sandbox.
If you want to help, and you're SOOOO good at running lvl 4s, perhaps posting your SPs your fit and your strategy on a couple of missions would do 2 things: it would show that you're right - that it isn't a big deal, and secondly provide newer players with a better understanding of where they need to be prior to taking on lvl 4s in terms of skills, fitting and strategy.
OR... you might find out you're talking out of a body part close to those massive genitals.
Either way - we all benefit, and the conversation improves.
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Codie Dunier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:12:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Dr No Game wrote:Reidar Oskald wrote:I don't think this change is against bot miners, just bot missioners. I also think its CCP's way of making missioners have to take fleets for missions, not solo them all by themselves.Reidar I get that this is an MMO, but one should be able to solo missions if properly equipped. Not everyone is as cool as us and has lots of friends to run missions with at their beck & call :P atm from what I've seen "Properly equpiped" means tengu. no, really, with the new AI and the fact that whole rooms aggro you, the best platform to run lvl4's is the tengu. Battleships are too big and, altho doable with them, you'll end up running out of drones and either sit there trying to pot-shot frigates with large turrets, or shooting them with CM/torps, because they just simply murder drones. now, is this a bad thing? no, the tengu needed a boost with the nerf it got. But yes however, because anything droneboat is nigh on useless for doing lvl4's. A Cruise Missile-fitted ship with two Target Painters and Rigor-rigs can actually kill Frigates with ease. I do it, mostly because I neither can nor want to fly a Tengu. You don't need a Tengu to solo level 4 missions. There are plenty of other good ships, if you just fit them to deal with smaller targets. |
Count of MonteCylon
MonteCylon Money Acquisition and Demolition Ltd.
15
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:15:00 -
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What was changed about level 4 missions? |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
82
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:18:00 -
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fukier wrote:Irya Boone wrote:Same here I would like to recover my skillpoints spent in drones it would be easier to butthurt bots by just removing AGGRESSIVE MODE for drone out of the game
No more mission runner afk no more miners AFK ( increase pirates dps in asteroids belt) i have 17 million sp in drones htfu... you know if you leave high sec you can use a smart bomb to kill the small rats? just saying... and if you spam directional scanner you wont die either... just saying...
I live In WH for 1 year already So i'm dealing with that AI for a year too .... just saying if ccp don't Want people To use drone anymore just say It and remove theme from the game. and for Dscan spam... don't worry I spam even when I sleep ( see the word game here ^^) Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
217
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:23:00 -
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AFK misions is approved? and mining is not!! Think again stop the QQ post..... |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
489
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:36:00 -
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Reidar Oskald wrote:The CandyGirl wrote:Only thing about lvl4s that was changed was that they are harder to afk in.
The ability to solo them was not changed. I will admit, I don't do level 4's anymore, but I live in Null, so I do sites usually. I haven't had a chance to test the new AI yet, but from what I've heard here on the forums and from a few Alliance mates, the AI tends to target and kill drones very quickly, and people are losing a lot of drones. Most people do these in Battleships, and rely on drones to kill the little frigs and whatnot, and if the drones go, then they can't hope to kill them with large weaponry. That is what I've gotten out of this whole argument. Reidar pretty much.
Codie Dunier wrote:A Cruise Missile-fitted ship with two Target Painters and Rigor-rigs can actually kill Frigates with ease. I do it, mostly because I neither can nor want to fly a Tengu. You don't need a Tengu to solo level 4 missions. There are plenty of other good ships, if you just fit them to deal with smaller targets.
well, I'm trying to say that you don't need to fly a tengu exclusively for lvl4's. it's just that they are a more effective mission running boat now that the rules changed.
granted my wording might say otherwise, but it wasn't my intention. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Konrad Kane
Dirt Nap Squad
32
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:11:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:sorry .. but i lolled hard at the comment about level 4's paying out massive amounts of isk. ... too funny
I was wondering that as well. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1814
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:24:00 -
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lol look another Xenuria video |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
628
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:42:00 -
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Count of MonteCylon wrote:What was changed about level 4 missions?
Absolutely Nothing as far as I know. The Ai is what was changed.
Some people (Babbies) are complaining that "Everything is different! the end is nigh!". In reality the only thing that has changed about level 4s and missions in general is that you can no longer automate them in the way you used too. Targets change and people go pop. I also see alot of "BAWWW the whole room AGRROWWW now wryy!!!1!1!1"
This is also easy to handle. Xenuria CSM 8 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5721
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:47:00 -
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stop using rattlesnakes and use turret boats
yes they require a little more thought than "lock press f shoot misl" but at the end you're better off anyway ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. An idea for improving corp management |
Ragnarok Knight
ROGUE - DRONES
15
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:50:00 -
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There are 5 weapon systems in the game
missiles
the 3 turrets
and drones
i support these changes because they make the game more dynamic and interesting. It wasn't just drone-boat-afkers (although i did love doing that with lvl 4 missions)
it was '' one guy gets agroo in a frig and kites all the npcs in nullsec'' affairs as well.
however....Drones do need more attention. |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
466
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:29:00 -
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Yep, when I think of "Hardened", I think of pale, scrawy, lame-hat-wearing, you-tube making loosers.... Yep.
yk |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
628
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:13:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Yep, when I think of "Hardened", I think of pale, scrawy, lame-hat-wearing, you-tube making loosers.... Yep.
yk
Fedoras are not "lame". Xenuria CSM 8 |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
72
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:22:00 -
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*shrugs*
Soloed a L4 tonite in my Domi and aside from losing a few more light drones than I am used to, nothing has really changed much.
Seemed ok to me.
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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
628
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:29:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:*shrugs*
Soloed a L4 tonite in my Domi and aside from losing a few more light drones than I am used to, nothing has really changed much.
Seemed ok to me.
You need to keep in mind the main demographic of people that are heavily influenced in a negative way by the new AI are people who are not actually attentively playing eve while they make money. They have automated systems that follow a given set of patterns and because of this the player themselves has very little effort or work to put forth. The problem for them right now is suddenly rats are swapping targets and acting "smarter". Now all those bots and people who aren't paying attention are losing not just all their drones but their hulls too.
EVE is a sandbox and as such it is constantly changing sometimes for the better, this is one of those times. Xenuria CSM 8 |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
4028
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:30:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:*shrugs*
Soloed a L4 tonite in my Domi and aside from losing a few more light drones than I am used to, nothing has really changed much.
Seemed ok to me.
You need to keep in mind the main demographic of people that are heavily influenced in a negative way by the new AI are people who are not actually attentively playing eve while they make money. They have automated systems that follow a given set of patterns and because of this the player themselves has very little effort or work to put forth. The problem for them right now is suddenly rats are swapping targets and acting "smarter". Now all those bots and people who aren't paying attention are losing not just all their drones but their hulls too. EVE is a sandbox and as such it is constantly changing sometimes for the better, this is one of those times.
Someone **** in the sandbox "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Sekket
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
35
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Posted - 2012.12.06 04:23:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Personally, I'm glad you have to actually play the game. But expect the next argument against AFK cloaking to be "But I have to sit at my screen to run missions!!!one elventy-one one !!!!111!!!"
The argument is and always will be this:
Effort to protect against the threat posed by a cloaked ship lurking in a system - 23/7 Vigilance
Effort to disrupt activities in a system via cloak - Login, press F1, go afk.
- CQ isn't a refuge, it's a cage.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1841
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Posted - 2012.12.06 04:24:00 -
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Sekket wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Personally, I'm glad you have to actually play the game. But expect the next argument against AFK cloaking to be "But I have to sit at my screen to run missions!!!one elventy-one one !!!!111!!!" The argument is and always will be this: Effort to protect against the threat posed by a cloaked ship lurking in a system - 23/7 Vigilance Effort to disrupt activities in a system via cloak - Login, press F1, go afk. So is it true that you chaps love to camp jumpbridges? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
186
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Posted - 2012.12.06 04:28:00 -
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the only risk free ISK is selling PLEX in a station without ever undocking I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
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