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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2012.12.06 06:21:00 -
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Risien Drogonne wrote:Eli Green wrote:Drones are a primary weapon system? For a lot of ships, yes.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5378
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Posted - 2012.12.06 06:47:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote:The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit
belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.
Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.
Did you know that you can use ships to shoot at things other than rats?
PS Put a target painter on your drone boat. The sleeper AI hates EW much more than it hates drones
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Rensari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:16:00 -
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Sentries can be ok after the changes if you watch them. But if you send any drones out farther than like 10km from your ship on certain level 4 missions, you will lose some. Even if you hit recall the second they start taking damage, they get focus fired en masse and die very quickly before they can get back.
If you like using drones other than sentries in some of the more difficult level 4 missions, you will lose a lot of drones. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
4036
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:20:00 -
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The Vaga might have won... that is pure sex right there "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
ACE McFACE
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
887
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:23:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote: Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.
Then how about flying them THEN telling us whether they've been killed or not. "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
38
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:29:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ishmael Hansen wrote:The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit
belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.
Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.
Did you know that you can use ships to shoot at things other than rats? PS Put a target painter on your drone boat. The sleeper AI hates EW much more than it hates drones
since it seems to be like sleepers add a remote repper too. they really hate logi's too. And you fix your drones in the process. I sense from the "drones as primary weapons" bit these ships aren't decked out with guns...you should be able to squeeze em in.
Now if in a drake...squeeze in a link. That should be the trifecta since it should be an acitve mod they should monitor. Wh'ers please correct if I am wrong about links. . |
Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:23:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:
Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit
That someone being a developer https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421Quote:While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution. Thank you play again..
I don't see anything in your link to indicate it is an exploit. A problem with programming having unintended results? Yes. Exploit? No. Bad programming <> exploit.
People (hopefully) always have and (probably) will continue to recall drones when they are being aggro'd. Nothing has changed in that regard.
Thank you play again.. I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you. |
Escomboli
Hammer Holding Wrong Hole.
13
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:39:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote:The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit
belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.
Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.
Sentry shield Ishtar with drone damage mods is pretty good still. Maybe toss a remote armor rep in a high slot to keep the sents up if they pull argo, and you aren't quick enough to call them in. Just warp in, toss sents, orbit with ab on, win.
If you can't use t2 sents use faction. You should really never lose a sentry drone unless you are hammered drunk and not paying attention/can't see the screen. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
211
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:55:00 -
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Ratting in a sb still works |
King Aires
Coffee Sipper's Club The Forgotten Templars
21
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Posted - 2012.12.06 14:23:00 -
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While I think some of the changes to the AI suck, what the heck do you people think us WH people have been doing for the last couple years. Sleepers LOVE drones. Sleepers LOVE our support ships. If you are sad enough to not be paying attention then yes the drones die.
This is no different from the way it is in WH's only mission rats are Pu-º-ºies compared to Sleepers. |
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Codie Dunier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.12.06 14:31:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ishmael Hansen wrote:
I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries.
My medium and lights are doing just fine. Do a mission without using the exploit to remove drone aggro... Done that already. I don't use exploits at all. I just keep my drones in until the things trying to kill my drones are gone, and then use Hammerheads for extra Anti-Battleship DPS, since I've yet to see Battleships try to kill drones. |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
235
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Posted - 2012.12.06 14:37:00 -
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Codie Dunier wrote: . I just keep my drones in until the things trying to kill my drones are gone, and then use Hammerheads for extra Anti-Battleship DPS, since I've yet to see Battleships try to kill drones.
I can confirm that it works. _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
182
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Posted - 2012.12.06 14:52:00 -
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
402
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Posted - 2012.12.06 14:55:00 -
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Haven't tried with carrier but pretty much nothing is different for belt ratting or null sec anoms with subcaps. For missions you need to make sure drones don't run off and die and might need to recall them a couple of times. Still haven't lost any drones. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
569
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:06:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:dexington wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:Whining, hyperbole and nonsense. Droneboats are fine if you're capable of not being a lazy idiot, it's the same for ships who use drones as secondary dps. The drone mechanics was not great pre-patch, and they didn't exactly get better by giving us a npc ai the has increased chance of killing drones. While i have read posts saying everything is fine, some even claim they are better now, i still feel you are able to apply less drone dps do to increased drone management. The old npc ai was way to predictable, and it made npc fights boring as hell. CCP changed the AI for the right reasons, but i'll be honest a say the new drone mechanic can be annoying. My hopes is that it will makes CCP start working on new drones mechanics in the near future. A redesign of the drone menu would also be nice, if they want to increase drone management fine, but give us some decent/fun tools to do it. Just because it now takes effort doesn't mean it's bad. It's not bad and it's not problematic. It's only an issue for non-effort 5 yearolds and afk/bots (not saying you're either). I think you took more away from what they said then was there.
He's absolutely right. The problem with drones isn't them getting blown up or needing to be micromanaged, it's the interface -mechanics-.
He's not saying anything that the devs haven't said themselves. The drone mechanics need to be overhauled.
I think it's pretty understandable for people to be annoyed with the changes. CCP probably could of held the NPC changes back and released it with an overhaul of the drone UI and made an entire expansion centered around the two.
The drone mechanics are bad. "Effort" should not be something that is forced upon the player because the UI is **** to manage. |
Ishmael Hansen
Deep Space Falcons Honey Badger Coalition
6
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:24:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea.
lol, like that has anything to do with the issue.
That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :)
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
305
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:27:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea. lol, like that has anything to do with the issue. That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :)
Sounds like more renter/pet/grindbear ideas. Amat victoria curam. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
402
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:27:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Ishmael Hansen wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea. lol, like that has anything to do with the issue. That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :) Sounds like more renter/pet/grindbear ideas.
This
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Ishmael Hansen
Deep Space Falcons Honey Badger Coalition
6
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:36:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Ishmael Hansen wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea. lol, like that has anything to do with the issue. That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :) Sounds like more renter/pet/grindbear ideas.
I don't want to end cloakers, I just find it lame to disrupt an entire alliance isk grinding with AFK ALT cloakers, the same people who complain about AFK mission runners.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
403
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:43:00 -
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AFK cloakers can't disrupt anything, only your fear . |
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K1netic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:49:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:
Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit
That someone being a developer https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421Quote:While we consider the fact that the AI will only shoot your first flight of drones (this is based on specific criteria such as sig radius) and not a second wave to be a defect, we are not publishing the fix with Retribution. Thank you play again.. reading comprehension 0/10. nowhere is she talking about exploits. |
ashley Eoner
67
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Posted - 2012.12.07 02:27:00 -
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Dar Manic wrote: I don't see anything in your link to indicate it is an exploit. A problem with programming having unintended results? Yes. Exploit? No. Bad programming <> exploit.
People (hopefully) always have and (probably) will continue to recall drones when they are being aggro'd. Nothing has changed in that regard.
Thank you play again..
Since you obviously don't know the definition of exploit I'll help you out a bit.
Quote:An exploit (from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to oneGÇÖs own advantage) is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerized).
So when they fix this bug and your drones are slaughtered no matter what and you're perma jammed because the NPCS are using unnerfed ECM will you come to the forums and admit you're wrong or will you just hide and hope they fix this mess?
Quote:Done that already. I don't use exploits at all. I just keep my drones in until the things trying to kill my drones are gone, and then use Hammerheads for extra Anti-Battleship DPS, since I've yet to see Battleships try to kill drones. I find it highly improbable that you're killing elite frigates without using drones or winmatar ACs with TEs and some distance. I sure wish my rigged and implant boosted nearly maxed cruise missiles/torps could hit a frigate worth a damned. With my skill set I'm stuck using anything and everything from TPs to MWDS to try to keep threat long enough to get some RR off on my drones. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
462
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Posted - 2012.12.07 04:43:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote:The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit
belt ratting solo in a BS isn't worth the trouble, bought a new shinning Astarte last week, 1347 dps with a whooping 3km optimal, meh, not worth the trouble, also sig is too big comparing to the tengu.
Drone boats got killed, haven't flown the Ishtar nor Domi, but I guess it doesn't matter to have big drone range if they get insta popped by rats, I guess it's the same with Carriers running anomalies.
Actually the Incursion Legion got a boost too with the lessened laser PG requirents so its easier to fit LOCUS rigs
"Having a bad day? It takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pullthe trigger of a decent sniper rifle." - Dr. John D. Taylor |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2012.12.07 05:52:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:Ishmael Hansen wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why having renter pets is a bad idea. lol, like that has anything to do with the issue. That is a totally different thing, and I would love to see cloaking devices have a inactivity timer, or the inability to log a second account if you cloaked more than 5 min :) Sounds like more renter/pet/grindbear ideas. I don't want to end cloakers, I just find it lame to disrupt an entire alliance isk grinding with AFK ALT cloakers, the same people who complain about AFK mission runners.
If they're AFK they can't hurt you. You are the one disrupting your isk farming with your foolish and hilarious paranoia. |
Mr Pragmatic
120
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Posted - 2012.12.07 07:44:00 -
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I seriously don't see the problem with the frigates aggroing the drones. First off all you can fill your drone bay with crap drones if your afraid to lose isk. Second of all I don't deploy drones untill the frigates are dead. I attempt to alpha them from 20k and out. once they get under my guns I don't even worry about them. Their damage is miniscule. I play a t2 fit apocalypse and have no problem tanking frigates. To be fair tho I havn't ran into any web scrams while doing lv4s since the changes. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) - "What are your modules like?"
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Risien Drogonne
Aliastra Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.12.28 09:01:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:Risien Drogonne wrote:Eli Green wrote:Drones are a primary weapon system? For a lot of ships, yes. 0/10 Are you stupid? If a ship's primary DPS comes from drones, then drones are its primary weapon system.
It ain't rocket science. |
ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
990
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:04:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote:I have 9m sp's in drones that are of no use if I can't use other drones besides sentries.
Here's an idea:
Hop in an arbitrator and go PVP. Your drone skills will be useful; the other day a lone arbitrator killed an Arazu and two Redeemers. I'd get the battle report but I really can't be bothered. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
49
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:10:00 -
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the only winner is the rattlesnake that still works the old way, same range, same dps. Beats the crap out of a tengu on isk/hr |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1503
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:19:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote: lol, that is stupid, drone users already had the short stick. In the time we had to wait for some spawns to aggro we could finish it in a tengu.
Why be bad in Eve? Ishtar has already popped first two frigs before Tengu's missiles even reach their target, which doesn't even die.
As what comes to the topic, I still make 100-200mil/hr in the exact same Domi fit from PVE.
I tried to remove this sig. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
11103
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Posted - 2012.12.28 11:41:00 -
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Ishmael Hansen wrote:The only ship that can still carebear with pre retribution fit? aka pve fit No, they're pretty much all unchanged, except a slight damage application reduction if you absolutely refuse to use anything but HMLs.
ashley Eoner wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:Someone was trying to say that recalling your drones to remove aggro from them is some kind of exploit That someone being a developer GǪexcept of course, that no developer has ever said that it's an exploit in any way, shape, or form. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
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