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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2034
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Posted - 2012.12.06 04:54:00 -
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tl;dr: To claim the full bounty on someone's head, you need to destroy 5x that in their assets. There is no way around this. You (likely) can't go trigger happy once on some dude and claim his whole bounty (unless he's an idiot flying too expensive a ship). You also cannot claim your own bounty with an alt, because you will have spent 5x the reward in the process of getting the reward in the first place.
So there's this guy in your corp (let's call him Vic) with a totally sweet 500 mil ISK bounty on his head. "With that money, I could buy myself a really sweet ship," you think, and make plans to AWOX have an overview bug. This AWOX overview bug happens in the next fleet, and you kill the guy's Drake, giving you... 750k ISK. In addition, everyone else of the 20 members of the fleet also receives 750k ISK. You are then ousted by Vic for what you did, and booted from corp. What happened? Why do you not have huge piles of cash?
When you kill someone with a bounty, the payout is 20% of their ship's post-insurance value. If the bounty is large enough to cover that, the payout is paid, and the bounty decreases by that value. If the payout would be more than the bounty remaining (20% of their ship is 50 mil but they only have a 10 mil bounty), you get paid the entire remaining bounty, and the target's bounty is erased. Have a flowchart.
The bounty goes to the highest damage dealer on the killmail. If that person is in a fleet, the bounty is split with the whole fleet.
In your case, to claim the full value of Vic's 500 mil ISK bounty in one swoop, you would have to kill a ship of his worth 2.5 billion ISK. Maybe you can catch his officer-fitted ratting Nightmare sometime.
For this reason, "cashing in" on a bounty on your own head is impossible, even with an alt.
Lastly, remember that bounties do not make shooting anyone legal and you will get CONCORDed if you try to kill a non-criminal with a bounty in hisec.
Now go gank Vic... properly. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
4034
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Posted - 2012.12.06 04:58:00 -
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*claps* "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2034
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:03:00 -
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Up for discussion: was the "The more you know" graphic for this PSA appropriate? Apparently the lack of such made my last one suck. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem
387
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:09:00 -
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I approve of this helpful and informative guide... You sir have done a great service in answering half the threads of the last 24 hours. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2035
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:13:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:I approve of this helpful and informative guide... You sir have done a great service in answering half the threads of the last 24 hours. AoE post-answering. Feel free to link people over here when they demonstrate a lack of understanding of how bounties are paid out, if you want. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Pyre leFay
The Scope Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:18:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: The bounty goes to the highest damage dealer on the killmail. If that person is in a fleet, the bounty is split with the whole fleet.
Its whoever gets the killing blow. Highest damage is used when the target gets waxed by gate guns or concorded in the process as there is then no killing blow. And then split in fleet as you said. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2035
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:21:00 -
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Pyre leFay wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: The bounty goes to the highest damage dealer on the killmail. If that person is in a fleet, the bounty is split with the whole fleet.
Its whoever gets the killing blow. Highest damage is used when the target gets waxed by gate guns or concorded in the process as there is then no killing blow. And then split in fleet as you said.
The patch notes seem to disagree:
Quote: - The bounty is paid to the character with the final blow, except when Concord has final blow or for self-destruct, in which case the bounty goes to highest damage dealer. - A fleet that claims a bounty on a player, will now get paid for the bounty. The payout is split equally amongst the fleet members.
I will correct the point about final blow/highest damage, though. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1220
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:28:00 -
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So... before shooting Vic I drop fleet, shoot Vic, then disconnect. When I re-log I claim I thought I was shooting the primary, but my client locked up.
Also you can claim a bounty on yourself with an alt, you just lose isk doing it. But if its a small bounty and you do not like the "Wanted" banner you can do it. Question: The value CCP uses is not necessarily the current market cost. Some ships and items are overvalued by CCP's method. If I want to clear a bounty, what should my ship and cargo be to make the process as low cost as possible? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2035
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:35:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Also you can claim a bounty on yourself with an alt, you just lose isk doing it. But if its a small bounty and you do not like the "Wanted" banner you can do it. Question: The value CCP uses is not necessarily the current market cost. Some ships and items are overvalued by CCP's method. If I want to clear a bounty, what should my ship and cargo be to make the process as low cost as possible? After some abuses of the cost-calculation algorithm in FW, CCP redid their cost-calculation and are being quite mysterious about how that works. I'd guess it's some sort of both time and location averaging to avoid outliers. Your guess is probably as good as mine, though. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1222
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Posted - 2012.12.06 19:41:00 -
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I was not considering manipulating it, I was thinking about taking advantage of the ebb and flow of the market in that some things occasionally get a low price when CCP's estimate is still high. Also in the "ISK destroyed" calculation used for determining the bounty, salvage is not included. That is if the wreck produces a huge salvage payout the bounty is not reduced. I understand that T2 ships can produce T2 salvage of sufficient value that its almost profitable to self-destruct them. Throw in a bounty as well, and clearing a bounty by having an alt pop you while you are in a T2 ship may be quite viable.
Then there is
"I mined the minerals, built the ship, then had an alt blow it up. I got my own bounty for free because I mined the minerals myself! http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
653
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:04:00 -
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Best PSA ever. ::claps:: Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1080
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:06:00 -
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This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.
My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll
For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3919
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:11:00 -
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nice one.. we should get you to write our dev blogs Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.
My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll
For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.
http://i.imgur.com/wpM4U.jpg a bloo bloo bloo.
This simply adds a much-needed boost in the arm to hisec PvP and non-traditional methods thereof. Just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean someone can't throw the sand right in your face - how you react is up to you.
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
58
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:15:00 -
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post insurance, does that mean the few mil for the insurance policy is included so (ship+ fittings +insurance cost)*.2, or (total ship value-insurance payout)*.2? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1080
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:19:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.
My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll
For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really. http://i.imgur.com/wpM4U.jpg a bloo bloo bloo. This simply adds a much-needed boost in the arm to hisec PvP and non-traditional methods thereof. Just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean someone can't throw the sand right in your face - how you react is up to you.
I was not not talking the actual gameplay experience.
I was talking about the appeal before even subscribing. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
387
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:29:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll
For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.
So the bounties only on -1 and below which is extremely restrictive is sandbox. But a system that lets you put bounties on anyone is not sandbox?
You have a strange definition of sandbox. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2816
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:33:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.
My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll
For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really. The opinion of anyone in Wildly Inappropriate doesn't really do much to further your cause. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:34:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll
For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really. So the bounties only on -1 and below which is extremely restrictive is sandbox. But a system that lets you put bounties on anyone is not sandbox? You have a strange definition of sandbox.
He has a strange definition of most things. For instance, how to quit the game without just bleating on about it. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:38:00 -
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Question: insurance is subtracted from loss. Salvage is ignored. How about loot drop. Is that left out of the loss calculation? So, I'm in a 1 billion ISK mach with a 2 billion ISK faction fit. I go boom. 1 billion ISK of mods drop. What is my loss? 2B or 3B?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3932
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:39:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Question: insurance is subtracted from loss. Salvage is ignored. How about loot drop. Is that left out of the loss calculation? So, I'm in a 1 billion ISK mach with a 2 billion ISK faction fit. I go boom. 1 billion ISK of mods drop. What is my loss? 2B or 3B?
Loot that drops does not count. 2b loss. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1080
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:46:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll
For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really. So the bounties only on -1 and below which is extremely restrictive is sandbox. But a system that lets you put bounties on anyone is not sandbox? You have a strange definition of sandbox.
What is this -1 figure that you pulled out of thin air ? RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:48:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Question: insurance is subtracted from loss. Salvage is ignored. How about loot drop. Is that left out of the loss calculation? So, I'm in a 1 billion ISK mach with a 2 billion ISK faction fit. I go boom. 1 billion ISK of mods drop. What is my loss? 2B or 3B?
Loot that drops does not count. 2b loss.
Wow, bounty payouts really will be tiny, won't they.
100M isk BS, 70M insurance payout. Half the 20M isk fit drops.... 20% of 40M = 800K payout on 120,000K ISK ship going boom?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1080
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:51:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Weaselior wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Question: insurance is subtracted from loss. Salvage is ignored. How about loot drop. Is that left out of the loss calculation? So, I'm in a 1 billion ISK mach with a 2 billion ISK faction fit. I go boom. 1 billion ISK of mods drop. What is my loss? 2B or 3B?
Loot that drops does not count. 2b loss. Wow, bounty payouts really will be tiny, won't they. 100M isk BS, 70M insurance payout. Half the 20M isk fit drops.... 20% of 40M = 800K payout on 120,000K ISK ship going boom?
20% of 40 M would be 8,000,000. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10594
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Posted - 2012.12.06 20:53:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:What is this -1 figure that you pulled out of thin air ? Since when do age-old game mechanics count as GÇ£thin airGÇ¥?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2048
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:03:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:post insurance, does that mean the few mil for the insurance policy is included so (ship+ fittings +insurance cost)*.2, or (total ship value-insurance payout)*.2? The second one. If you had a 100 mil ISK battleship, with an insured return of 40 mil ISK (randomly picking numbers, here) with a 100 mil ISK bounty on your head, the payout for someone killing you would be 100-40 = 60 mil ISK. After being killed, your remaining bounty would be 40 mil ISK.
Note that it doesn't matter what insurance you actually own, either. The maximum insurance payout for that ship type is subtracted regardless of how the particular ship is insured.
LHA Tarawa wrote:Question: insurance is subtracted from loss. Salvage is ignored. How about loot drop. Is that left out of the loss calculation? So, I'm in a 1 billion ISK mach with a 2 billion ISK faction fit. I go boom. 1 billion ISK of mods drop. What is my loss? 2B or 3B? As in the FW PvP LP payouts pushed in Inferno, non-destroyed modules are not included when determined the "cost" of the kill. Your loss is 2B ISK in this case.
CCP Punkturis wrote:nice one.. we should get you to write our dev blogs Since I'm not a dev, wouldn't that ruin the point of them being dev blogs? Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1080
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:What is this -1 figure that you pulled out of thin air ? Since when do age-old game mechanics count as GÇ£thin airGÇ¥?
Since I have spouted off here about absolutely nothing that is determined by numbers, nor did I make use of any.
And he gave no explanation of why he 'picked' -1.
Makes no sense at all. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2048
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:05:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tippia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:What is this -1 figure that you pulled out of thin air ? Since when do age-old game mechanics count as GÇ£thin airGÇ¥? Since I have spouted off here about absolutely nothing that is determined by numbers, nor did I make use of any. And he gave no explanation of why he 'picked' -1. Makes no sense at all. Under the old bounty mechanics, only people with -1 or below sec status could receive bounties. The "-1" complaint was because this restriction seemed more arbitrary and counter-sandbox than the current bounty system does. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1874
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:09:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.
My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll
For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.
The sandbox stops being a box when all the walls are removed. Then it is just a pile of sand that nobody wants to play in. Just because it is a sandbox game doesn't mean that there aren't still rules to follow.
You just don't understand what a sandbox is. I hope this has enlightened you. EVE is not about PvP.-á EVE is about the SANDBOX! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1080
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:10:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tippia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:What is this -1 figure that you pulled out of thin air ? Since when do age-old game mechanics count as GÇ£thin airGÇ¥? Since I have spouted off here about absolutely nothing that is determined by numbers, nor did I make use of any. And he gave no explanation of why he 'picked' -1. Makes no sense at all. Under the old bounty mechanics, only people with -1 or below sec status could receive bounties. The "-1" complaint was because this restriction seemed more arbitrary and counter-sandbox than the current bounty system does.
Thank you.
But I can also go down to -4.4 and still operate in .5 High. Therefore, even bothering to run missions for sec status anymore is pointless, except the occasional one to keep it slightly above that if needed.
Missions were already LP and Reward nerfed within the last 18 months, and there went almost the last reason to do them. Now it's only to keep above the -4.4 line, and missioning for specific POS anchoring space, if even needed, again.
The reasons to stick around are just getting fewer and fewer. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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