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Hongus Gwag
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:58:00 -
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It seems that 90% of posts regarding the new AI are from high-sec-for-life mission runners who can no longer AFK their way to zero risk billions in pimped out fits.
I don't think the new AI goes anywhere near far enough to solve (what many of us feel is) the problem of high sec mission running and the large quantities of isk it generates, but its certainly a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. More importantly it adds realism to the game; if I were a rat and I were sat in my tiny little frigate I would certainly be shooting the drones of my aggressors battleship whilst leaving said battleships shields/armor to my battleship wielding brethren.
TL:DR
More realistic, more carebear tears, win. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1842
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:59:00 -
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Hongus Gwag wrote:It seems that 90% of posts regarding the new AI are from high-sec-for-life mission runners who can no longer AFK their way to zero risk billions in pimped out fits.
I don't think the new AI goes anywhere near far enough to solve (what many of us feel is) the problem of high sec mission running and the large quantities of isk it generates, but its certainly a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. More importantly it adds realism to the game; if I were a rat and I were sat in my tiny little frigate I would certainly be shooting the drones of my aggressors battleship whilst leaving said battleships shields/armor to my battleship wielding brethren.
TL:DR
More realistic, more carebear tears, win. This thread. Win.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
ACE McFACE
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
887
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:01:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Hongus Gwag wrote:It seems that 90% of posts regarding the new AI are from high-sec-for-life mission runners who can no longer AFK their way to zero risk billions in pimped out fits.
I don't think the new AI goes anywhere near far enough to solve (what many of us feel is) the problem of high sec mission running and the large quantities of isk it generates, but its certainly a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. More importantly it adds realism to the game; if I were a rat and I were sat in my tiny little frigate I would certainly be shooting the drones of my aggressors battleship whilst leaving said battleships shields/armor to my battleship wielding brethren.
TL:DR
More realistic, more carebear tears, win. This thread. Win. Surely you're going to complain about how OP is an NPC corp alt. Oh wait, I see it now.... "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
319
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:04:00 -
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Because everyone who has billion pimped ships is obviously afking their missions and all. Tell me more how we all also afk autopilot too.
You can't tank enough if you are actively flying it(GASP/SHOCK/REALIZATION).
Judging by your post you must be a null/low bear. Please post with your main, oh wait, you can't troll with you main. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
115
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:05:00 -
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This is the most original and insightful troll I've ever read! I can't help but wholeheartedly agree!
CCP simply hasn't gone far enough. This has nothing to do with drone mechanics. It is about nerfing missions. To that end, I propose that all weapons be rendered ineffective against mission NPCs--all NPCs, in fact! Indeed, missions should simply be removed from the game entirely.
Man, that would really stick it to those people who choose to play the game in a manner I don't like. Screw those guys! CEO, Venture Racing Retired Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
335
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:08:00 -
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Adapt or die |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
70
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:08:00 -
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Lol. there is more zero risk and much higher income in 0.0 and low-sec................................. o/ |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:09:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Lol. there is more zero risk and much higher income in 0.0 and low-sec.................................
Now the missions are nerfed time to increase risk in 0.0 , so whats the problem ?
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
261
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:15:00 -
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I fail to see how making hi-sec missioning less simple and comfortable will boost amount of subscribers and CCP's income. |
dexington
Push button receive bacon
225
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:21:00 -
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Seem like the most tear comes from the null bear who can run their beloved sanctums and havens, clearly a null problem.
Don't worry, once it was discovered it was not a hi-sec problem, the CSM hold an all night emergency skype meeting, discussing how best to do damage control while the devs fix the problem. Rest assured, there is a team of talented monkeys working around the clock to fix this problem, you can soon do anomalies is you pimped out carriers, which we all enjoy reading about on eve-kill.net.
GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1842
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:24:00 -
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dexington wrote:Seems like the most tears comes from the null bears who can't run their beloved sanctums and havens, clearly a null problem.
Don't worry, once it was discovered it was not a hi-sec problem, the CSM hold an all night emergency skype meeting, discussing how best to do damage control while the devs fix the problem. Rest assured, there is a team of talented monkeys working around the clock to fix this problem, you can soon do anomalies is you pimped out carriers, which we all enjoy reading about on eve-kill.net. Ironically, a Dominix (which I use) is now a better choice because of how the aggro system works. With a carrier, this is always an issue.
I do have a dominix. I was about to spend on a carrier.
*shrug* (BTW, we don't really run sanctums and havens here in the ~north~) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:27:00 -
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Hongus Gwag wrote:It seems that 90% of posts regarding the new AI are from high-sec-for-life mission runners who can no longer AFK their way to zero risk billions in pimped out fits.
I don't think the new AI goes anywhere near far enough to solve (what many of us feel is) the problem of high sec mission running and the large quantities of isk it generates, but its certainly a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. More importantly it adds realism to the game; if I were a rat and I were sat in my tiny little frigate I would certainly be shooting the drones of my aggressors battleship whilst leaving said battleships shields/armor to my battleship wielding brethren.
TL:DR
More realistic, more carebear tears, win.
I haven't missioned for years, and don't really care about the changes. If it's hurting the bot's it shouldn't be a problem. But drone users do have some legitimate gripes about drone behavior and the drone interface. If you're going to fix the AI of the NPC's, wouldn't it make sense to fix the AI of the drones? Or at least make them smarter than the dog-faced boy down the street?
"Working as intended" |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1842
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:31:00 -
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YoYo NickyYo wrote:If you're going to fix the AI of the NPC's, wouldn't it make sense to fix the AI of the drones? Or at least make them smarter than the dog-faced boy down the street? Drone retardation is a ~feature~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
763
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:40:00 -
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Hongus Gwag wrote:It seems that 90% of posts regarding the new AI are from high-sec-for-life mission runners who can no longer AFK their way to zero risk billions in pimped out fits.
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It is their choice on how to play the game ,it is not your game , flaming them will not solve anything , seems to me you jealous they can and you lack ths iskies and skill
on topic , been ages i ve done missions , but seems to me that they need to seriously adapt their way of doing missions seems like gone are the days you warp in your mission , launch your drones and set them to rvrtything smaller than a BC while you fry the big ships
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
942
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:42:00 -
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I thought that this was a great idea of CCPs
Instead of buffing everywhere else just make l4s harder to run, slows down the isk flow, makes botting harder, forces people to adapt to more realistic combat.
And it makes the rest of EvE look more appealing
Well done CCP Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1842
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:44:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Hongus Gwag wrote:It seems that 90% of posts regarding the new AI are from high-sec-for-life mission runners who can no longer AFK their way to zero risk billions in pimped out fits. It is their choice on how to play the game ,it is not your game , flaming them will not solve anything , seems to me you jealous they can and you lack ths iskies and skill Like afk mining you mean?
Anyway he can't be jealous of their AFK prowess, because, hehe, it's gone now. Thanks CCP ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
dexington
Push button receive bacon
227
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:08:00 -
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Hongus Gwag wrote:It seems that 90% of posts regarding the new AI are from high-sec-for-life mission runners who can no longer AFK their way to zero risk billions in pimped out fits.
Not by running missions, but we can still exploit the major trade hubs to make zero risk billions while being AFK, partying in our pimp outfits. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:09:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I thought that this was a great idea of CCPs Instead of buffing everywhere else just make l4s harder to run, slows down the isk flow, makes botting harder, forces people to adapt to more realistic combat. And it makes the rest of EvE look more appealing Well done CCP
Which would be good if that's what happened, instead we get a change that really only nerfs Gallente characters as they're the only ones likely to be facing rats in dedicated drone boats. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
942
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:14:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought that this was a great idea of CCPs Instead of buffing everywhere else just make l4s harder to run, slows down the isk flow, makes botting harder, forces people to adapt to more realistic combat. And it makes the rest of EvE look more appealing Well done CCP Which would be good if that's what happened, instead we get a change that really only nerfs Gallente characters as they're the only ones likely to be facing rats in dedicated drone boats. you forgot to mention all the characters in smaller craft that used to go in for easy money while all agro was on one ship allowing people to do l4s in a t1 frigate.
The change is merely that drones like ammo are expendable, you will adapt to changing combat situations, this is a good thing. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:17:00 -
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Hongus Gwag wrote:It seems that 90% of posts regarding the new AI are from high-sec-for-life mission runners who can no longer AFK their way to zero risk billions in pimped out fits.
I don't think the new AI goes anywhere near far enough to solve (what many of us feel is) the problem of high sec mission running and the large quantities of isk it generates, but its certainly a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. More importantly it adds realism to the game; if I were a rat and I were sat in my tiny little frigate I would certainly be shooting the drones of my aggressors battleship whilst leaving said battleships shields/armor to my battleship wielding brethren.
TL:DR
More realistic, more carebear tears, win. You do know that, longer completion time yields more ISK? |
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marVLs
53
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Posted - 2012.12.06 10:59:00 -
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Problem is only with frigs alpha drones, You can't even recall them in time when they get agro.
DPS from frigates to drones should be lower or let Smartbombs don't get Concorded by shooting structures on mission pockets, and ships in cloack (on mission pockets) |
March rabbit
Aliastra
281
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:02:00 -
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Hongus Gwag wrote:more carebear tears, win. without these words you wouln't look so stupid. with these words your post doesn't worth reading
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
400
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:05:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought that this was a great idea of CCPs Instead of buffing everywhere else just make l4s harder to run, slows down the isk flow, makes botting harder, forces people to adapt to more realistic combat. And it makes the rest of EvE look more appealing Well done CCP Which would be good if that's what happened, instead we get a change that really only nerfs Gallente characters as they're the only ones likely to be facing rats in dedicated drone boats. you forgot to mention all the characters in smaller craft that used to go in for easy money while all agro was on one ship allowing people to do l4s in a t1 frigate.
t1 frigs have no problems buddying in level 4s atm, only frigs aggro them unless they do something dumb like rr. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
948
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:15:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I thought that this was a great idea of CCPs Instead of buffing everywhere else just make l4s harder to run, slows down the isk flow, makes botting harder, forces people to adapt to more realistic combat. And it makes the rest of EvE look more appealing Well done CCP Which would be good if that's what happened, instead we get a change that really only nerfs Gallente characters as they're the only ones likely to be facing rats in dedicated drone boats. you forgot to mention all the characters in smaller craft that used to go in for easy money while all agro was on one ship allowing people to do l4s in a t1 frigate. t1 frigs have no problems buddying in level 4s atm, only frigs aggro them unless they do something dumb like rr. Still better than before where nothing aggrod them Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
2
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:16:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Which would be good if that's what happened, instead we get a change that really only nerfs Gallente characters as they're the only ones likely to be facing rats in dedicated drone boats.
Whoa there, Gallente Chars are not the only ones facing serious repercussions, I use a Rattlesnake to run missions and now I've sudenly got to fit remote armor and shield reppers so my Sentries don't get killed to much... o_O
About that realistic combat thingy... Those priate ships are so flimsy, real humans piloting those ships would just run and scream like little girls as soon as a capsuleer, any capsuleer enters the field. You can never know how much damage he'll dish out, no matter if it's a Merlin or a Golem (I'll admit, tho, they might stand a chance against the Merlin). There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
784
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:18:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Adapt or die
Adapt or quit? This is not a signature. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
217
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:45:00 -
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AFK mining is gone know. Now is the AFK misions gone its the right thing to do... Love those QQ |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
948
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:52:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:EI Digin wrote:Adapt or die Adapt or quit? If you cannot deal with small changes like this it is probably for the best. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Codie Dunier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.12.06 12:25:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I fail to see how making hi-sec missioning less simple and comfortable will boost amount of subscribers and CCP's income. Because missions have become a lot more fun than "Go there, shoot this"? Now people actually have to think before launching their drones, which I realize is a big problem for many high-sec mission-runners in shiny multi-billion ISK ships, or even worse, Tengus. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
118
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Posted - 2012.12.06 14:03:00 -
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I agree completely with the OP. Track your wealth with EVEStats - https://ohheck.co.uk/EVEStats/home.php |
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