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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
656
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:17:00 -
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MainDrain wrote:
Ill agree that some of the missions might need their DPS reduced. There is the fact that some missions require their DPS increased. Missioning shouldnt be see as a passive form of ISK making
I think the easiest way to fix the problem would be to reduce the optimal range of the NPCs which would protect the "speed tankers" and still remove AFK tanked, 'no prop mod' battleships (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Seline Taal
Taal Order
0
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:23:00 -
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MainDrain wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:
I'm having the patch notes changed and asking them to link the dev blog in the patch notes!
Copy Paste from the Dev Blog One of the nice advantages with the Level One AI is we can create different AI templates from it. This is why the sleepers and incursion NPC are so different. We are going to do the same thing again; creating a third template from the Level One AI. We will only be activating specific parts of the new AI for this third template and it will not change how much damage the NPC do, how much damage they take, or generally how strong they are.After the first round of testing we made some tweaks to the attributes on the NPC, specifically making them hate drones less,F.A.Q.
Q) Will the NPC's switch targets now? A) Yes, yes they will.
Q) Will the NPC's choose a targets of the same size, so npc frigates will first target player frigs. A) Yes, the NPC will try and pick targets matching their own size.
Q) Will NPC's kill my drones? A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.
Q) Will NPCs do any new ewar? A) No. Their actual weapons and effects will not be changing.
Q) Does this change things like spawns or range activation? A) No. When the NPC decide to start hating you is still based on the individual mission.This should pretty much answer all our questions (and proves i should read dev blogs more thoroughly)
If this is accurate then theres a problem,
Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?
Launch Light drones when frigs are on the field and all the frigs tend to go for the drones, not all misions but most, in these cases theres no less hate to be had!
Q) Does this change things like spawns or range activation?
Quite a few missions have changed, ive experience rogue drone harrassement level 3 for example has 95% of the room agro now, The mission with the green aristie ore also has room agro now when it didnt before, seeing a lot of difference these are just two repeatable examples. (cant imagine the L4s being much more fun heard of a couple of issues but havent done L4s since the patch (too new to survive now))
I guess we just report them and let the devs fix the problems, its clear that in some cases the NPC's are not acting as per the notes/dev blogs. I actually took CCP silence on the issue to be them collating the information, for the most part people are being quite civil and putting the information accross with a lot of detail.
Oh and for the PVP bears, it was mentioned that npcs wouldnt attack players that went on field to attack players, well if you get to the player without doing anything at all npcs switch so pve ratters are safer because of this change......
Not just PVE guys, this is a problem elsewhere too, somethings wrong :) |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
403
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:28:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Slight oversight in bringing sleeper AI to missions...
waiting for confirmation from CCP I can absolutely confirm that we have not brought sleeper AI into missions. Uhm... excuse me, but that must be wrong somehow... because right now on every mission I do the NPCs are going all berserk against drones just like sleepers do, and are killing my corp mates that try to fly along with me on said missions. AI and stats are not the same, they do have the Sleeper AI, just not the Sleeper Weaponry and stats.
Sigh, they don't have sleeper AI. They have new AI. The new AI has some traits of Sleepr AI (switches targets, has size/threat preference) but doesn't have others (much less drone hate, no rr of thier own and i think other things (sleepers seem to have a tank breaking prefernece, i swear).
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
575
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:28:00 -
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In the issues thread, they've posted that they know full room aggro is a problem now, but no ETA on a fix. (as it only hurts PVE content, it goes to the back of the bus)
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Amber Coldheart
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:42:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I'm having the patch notes changed and asking them to link the dev blog in the patch notes!
The carebears won't let little things like facts get in the way of their crying... To loosely paraphrase a certain politician :
"I am not going to let my campaign be dictated by facts!". I'll cry as many tears as i want, thank you sir :p |
Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:13:00 -
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Here is a solution...create a new item in market that will be obtained when your ship is destroyed. For example: Your golem was destroyed you obtained 2000 salty tears. Sell those in market. The insurance covers ship and the tears the faction modules :-) |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
656
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:18:00 -
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Amber Coldheart wrote:iskflakes wrote: The carebears won't let little things like facts get in the way of their crying...
To loosely paraphrase a certain politician : "I am not going to let my campaign be dictated by facts!". I'll cry as many tears as i want, thank you sir :p
Just to prove your stupidity, not to favor the political party, you Sir, have also omitted the facts to suit your viewpoint.
"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers," - Neil Newhouse who is not a politician but a employee of a data collection company.
Technically this makes you a liar. People may take offense to that phrase, but Amber Coldheart you have passed off misinformation and portrayed it as fact. Why should ANYONE care what you have to say, now that we have established you have no credibility? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
1517
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:25:00 -
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I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD The Drake is a Lie |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
24
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:28:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD
Cool! Tell that to new players. "Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs. |
Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:37:00 -
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I saw a Tengu and Rattlesnake get blown up in Worlds Collide mission in the Sancha room. Nice explosions :P |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2147
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:39:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Xercodo wrote:I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD Cool! Tell that to new players.
EvE is not for new players.
Or at least, they are making the impossible to make the game be hated by them. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:44:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Xercodo wrote:I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD Cool! Tell that to new players. EvE is not for new players. Or at least, they are making the impossible to make the game be hated by them.
What is wrong with you...people like you despise me...you think you own EVE? Us noobs also deserve a chance. Go cry in your carrier in your POS...if you own one. WEALTH-á0.56 ISK |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
656
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:44:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: they are making the impossible to make the game be hated by them.
what?
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Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:48:00 -
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Eve is Dying WEALTH-á0.56 ISK |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
656
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:51:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Xercodo wrote:I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD Cool! Tell that to new players.
TO BE FAIR:
The TITLE of this topic is that a "GOLEM" was lost in a maddeningly short amount of time.
This topic has nothing to do with NEW PLAYERS, and Xercodo's post is well suited to the content of the thread. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10584
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:52:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Xercodo wrote:I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD Cool! Tell that to new players. As luck would have it, new players don't run Infiltrated Outposts. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
68
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:53:00 -
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Quote:The TITLE of this topic is that a "GOLEM" was lost in a maddeningly short amount of time.
Who said it isn't possible? Inside mining barge, true story |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
26
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Xercodo wrote:I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD Cool! Tell that to new players. As luck would have it, new players don't run Infiltrated Outposts.
I agree, they adapt. "Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs. |
Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Xercodo wrote:I can confirm that "Infiltrated Outposts" L4 version auto aggros almost the entire second room on warp in. But my new sexy looking vargur had no problem with any of it. Didn't even launch any drones at all xD Cool! Tell that to new players. As luck would have it, new players don't run Infiltrated Outposts.
Actually you are wrong...You get an Imicus with combat probes...Scan ships down in High Sec doing level 4s put a cloak watch them do missions...wait till their ships get exploded and try to steal their wrecks when their ships get blown up. Kind of hard with new AI but can be done if u have a ninja salvager in other station.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10584
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Posted - 2012.12.06 19:03:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:I agree, they adapt. No, they don't have to. They simply won't get the mission since it's not available to them yet.
Pitrolo Orti wrote:Actually you are wrong...You get an Imicus with combat probes...Scan ships down in High Sec doing level 4s put a cloak watch them do missions...wait till their ships get exploded and try to steal their wrecks when their ships get blown up. ] So, actually, I'm right, since they're not running Infiltrated Outposts. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
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Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 19:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:I agree, they adapt. No, they don't have to. They simply won't get the mission since it's not available to them yet. Pitrolo Orti wrote:Actually you are wrong...You get an Imicus with combat probes...Scan ships down in High Sec doing level 4s put a cloak watch them do missions...wait till their ships get exploded and try to steal their wrecks when their ships get blown up. ] So, actually, I'm right, since they're not running Infiltrated Outposts.
You get my point...it applies to everything that the new AI does not let them do as before. WEALTH-á0.56 ISK |
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