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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:04:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Sorry, I was editing my post while you posted your response. I was hoping ot hear the rationale of the Manifesto stated in a few plain words, but that's alright. I'll read it again.
Please note my edited post's matter of the inattentive null sec miners. The null sec miners face what we feel to be an adequate amount of danger as a result of mining in nullsec. The highsec miners do not. We aim to correct that.
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Khergit Deserters
531
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:19:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Sorry, I was editing my post while you posted your response. I was hoping ot hear the rationale of the Manifesto stated in a few plain words, but that's alright. I'll read it again.
Please note my edited post's matter of the inattentive null sec miners. The null sec miners face what we feel to be an adequate amount of danger as a result of mining in nullsec. The highsec miners do not. We aim to correct that. I see. So it's not inattentiveness that's the problem. It's inadequate exposure to danger. I would agree that null sec pilots in general face an adequate amount of danger. As compared to New Order pilots who never venture to leave high sec. Perhaps adding some danger via bounties will correct that. 'The difference between you and me is, I know I'm crazy.'-á -The late Jack H.-- old Texas guy, professional fish poacher, wise man |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
279
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:22:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I see. I agree that null sec pilots in general face an adequate amount of danger. As compared to New Order pilots who never venture to leave high sec. Perhaps adding some danger via bounties will correct that. Feel free to place bounties. Many of our Agents regard them as badges of honour.
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Simon Louvaki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:33:00 -
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If this were truly about creating a better society, it wouldn't come at a cost of ISK. The ideal is somewhat noble in a sense, but the fact that you require miners to buy a license from a non-government entity and claim to have jurisdiction over all is off setting. 'Buy my license and obey my rules or face harassment at the hands of my goons' is not the calling card of a righteous cause. Its extortion and racketeering. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
281
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Posted - 2012.12.27 20:36:00 -
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Simon Louvaki wrote:If this were truly about creating a better society, it wouldn't come at a cost of ISK. The ideal is somewhat noble in a sense, but the fact that you require miners to buy a license from a non-government entity and claim to have jurisdiction over all is off setting. 'Buy my license and obey my rules or face harassment at the hands of my goons' is not the calling card of a righteous cause. Its extortion and racketeering. The ISK does not represent value to Agents of the New Order (10 million ISK is peanuts to any self-respecting capsuleer) but rather to the miners. By giving up the money, a miner has declared that he has overcome his disproportionate love of cash and is willing to begin a new life as a well-balanced individual.
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Khergit Deserters
564
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:06:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I see. I agree that null sec pilots in general face an adequate amount of danger. As compared to New Order pilots who never venture to leave high sec. Perhaps adding some danger via bounties will correct that. Feel free to place bounties. Many of our Agents regard them as badges of honour. That's good to hear. The bounties no doubt hold your agents to "a higher standard of conduct," which is your leader's purported aspiration for miners. But what I fail to see is why we, the public, have to bear the cost of holding your agents to the higher standard? Couldn't the glorious James 315 pay for that? Or couldn't the agents just voluntarily undertake some danger and hold themselves to a higher standard? 'The difference between you and me is, I know I'm crazy.'-á -The late Jack H.-- old Texas guy, professional fish poacher, wise man |
Simon Louvaki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:06:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Simon Louvaki wrote:If this were truly about creating a better society, it wouldn't come at a cost of ISK. The ideal is somewhat noble in a sense, but the fact that you require miners to buy a license from a non-government entity and claim to have jurisdiction over all is off setting. 'Buy my license and obey my rules or face harassment at the hands of my goons' is not the calling card of a righteous cause. Its extortion and racketeering. The ISK does not represent value to Agents of the New Order (10 million ISK is peanuts to any self-respecting capsuleer) but rather to the miners. By giving up the money, a miner has declared that he has overcome his disproportionate love of cash and is willing to begin a new life as a well-balanced individual.
And who are you to evaluate the worth of coin from one person to another?
While 10 Million ISK may not be much to you and your GÇÿpeanutGÇÖ capsuleers, it could very well be just enough profit to continue doing reputable business, especially for upstart miners. To further that, the money is being taken under threat of duress; there is no willing show of support or change of character, its extortion tipped with the threat of inconvience and death for the capsuleer and the entire crew of their ship. Unfortunately for the hundreds and in the case of larger industrial ships thousands of crew members, they donGÇÖt come back in a new body once the ship has been commuted to circuits and metal shards.
There appears to be little GÇÿwillGÇÖ in any of this. Your GÇÿCode of HonorGÇÖ makes it clear while leaving enough loopholes and some not so clear regulations for manipulation at the behest of your 'democratically elected' leader (whom 'elected' himself). Obey our rules or suffer our wrath is your message. Even retaliation against your people is almost practically impossible without incurring the ire of CONCORD or the various shelter corporations your members belong too. ItGÇÖs a well thought out and protected racket, nothing more and nothing less unfortunately.
If that werenGÇÖt enough, your protection and admiration of those all to willing to sacrifice their ships and crews in suicide runs against unprotected mining/shipping vessels with the expectation of thanks and returned admiration is adhering. The hypocritical tone of the code is mind boggling, especially the bit about persecution through the lens of your bigoted leader.
I would have more respect, if there even was any to be had for this GÇÿcauseGÇÖ, if you came out and announced yourselves as you were; pirates, terrorists, extortionists and racketeersGÇÖ, rather than trying to perpetuate some aura of honor and new world justice.
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Khergit Deserters
564
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:49:00 -
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Ssakaa wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Ah, the lure of cheap demagoguery ... Sir. Never thought I'd see a thing of such enthralling beauty as your reply, here. I'll write that again. Enthralling. Yes. Sincerely, A.A., Phrenologist. Madam, Thank you sincerely. It's very refreshing to see that discourse above the level of mouth-breathing brutes is still possible in New Eden. 'The difference between you and me is, I know I'm crazy.'-á -The late Jack H.-- old Texas guy, professional fish poacher, wise man |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
504
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Posted - 2012.12.29 06:28:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:The ISK does not represent value to Agents of the New Order (10 million ISK is peanuts to any self-respecting capsuleer) but rather to the miners. By giving up the money, a miner has declared that he has overcome his disproportionate love of cash and is willing to begin a new life as a well-balanced individual.
Oh good grief, I thought the Theology Council got rid of all those Xenu worshiping heretics long ago.
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Matthias Mecklenburg
Federation Interstellar Resources
0
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Posted - 2013.01.03 19:56:00 -
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I am afraid that I have arrived late to this summit. Please forgive the intrusion.
In recent months, I have been hunting criminals (especially killers of auto-piloting pods) in The Citadel and Domain in an effort to relieve the tedium of mining, but now I watch--with great interest--the New Order's attempt to create an overtly criminal organization comprising diffuse individuals, corporations, and alliances in high-sec systems under the very noses of the Empires and CONCORD. Seeing as my comrades are primarily miners and industrialists, I have no interest in supporting the methods of James 315 or his followers; however, I do find entertainment and a modest degree of profit in collecting bounties and legal loot from kills, whole or partial, on the New Order's code enforcement squadrons--and I find no shame in this little hobby.
Whether one supports or opposes the New Order, all capsuleers need to recognize its existence and its highlighting of complacency among miners in high-sec systems. |
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:17:00 -
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Lin Suizei wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:And what is wrong with living in peaceful, solitary conditions?
I think your friend may need to be checked by a medical facility for a case of capsuleer dementia. Nothing is "wrong" with living in peaceful, solitary conditions. Miners who mine in accordance with the New Halaima Code of Conduct are free to spend as much time in peaceful, solitary conditions as they see fit. We offer this choice freely to all residents of high security space. While many have seen the light and now mine peacefully, uninterrupted by either bump or gank, many others continue to be belligerent undesirables in our space, and continue to violate the Code. For these wayward souls, we have no remaining option but to destroy their ships. We do not wish them violence - indeed, we extend to them the offer of friendship - but they actively refuse to embrace the Order and it's Code, and in doing so, force us to strike them down. In this, we serve a similar role to CONCORD and the DED - both as protectors of high security space, and consequences for code violators. Indeed, it is our enemies who require the services of a medical professional to check for capsuleer dementia - their actions more closely mimicing that of the rampant Drone or heavily-damaged True Slave than the capsuleer like you or I, Ms Ambraelle. Dang. A coherent bumper with pretty decent b.s. has finally popped up. Why have you gone to the dark side, coherent one? Don't you know you'll only find monosyllabic words there? 'The difference between you and me is, I know I'm crazy.'-á -The late Jack H.-- old Texas guy, professional fish poacher, wise man |
Khergit Deserters
615
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:36:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Nullsec doesn't come into it. Of course not, because the nullsec alliances would squash you like insects in a nanosecond. Meanwhile... as of this morning the bounties on the bumptards in this thread alone is up to 176,200,818 ISK the sybian: 53,000,000 ISK LordShazbot: 50,610,001 ISK Lin Suizei: 44,590,817 ISK Kainotomiu Ronuken: 15,000,000 ISK Erika Mayne Bounty: 5,000,000 ISK TheGunSlinger42: 4,000,000 ISK M Lamia: 0 Ammit Thoth: 0 The last two disappoint me... but I'm sure someone else will take care of that in no time, now that everyone has been made aware. But again, this is the real reason why nullsec or even lowsec never comes into it. These guys look like pretty juicy targets to those who hunt heads for a living. Still, none of this compares to James315 himself, who has accrued a bounty of 1,673,407,804 ISK on his head by himself. I take it he doesn't get out much. Moral of the story: Never annoy people with deep pockets. Those bounty amounts are just sad. With the exception of Jim 315's, which is pretty nice. 100mil isk will correct some of these deficiencies at my soonest opportunity, i.e. when I log on this evening.
Comrades, please place a bounty of 10mil isk or higher on the bumpist of your choice. 10mil-- the amount they demand in extortion fees. Many hands make light work. Many small bounties placed add up. Thank you. 'The difference between you and me is, I know I'm crazy.'-á -The late Jack H.-- old Texas guy, professional fish poacher, wise man |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:48:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Nullsec doesn't come into it. Of course not, because the nullsec alliances would squash you like insects in a nanosecond. Meanwhile... as of this morning the bounties on the bumptards in this thread alone is up to 176,200,818 ISK the sybian: 53,000,000 ISK LordShazbot: 50,610,001 ISK Lin Suizei: 44,590,817 ISK Kainotomiu Ronuken: 15,000,000 ISK Erika Mayne Bounty: 5,000,000 ISK TheGunSlinger42: 4,000,000 ISK M Lamia: 0 Ammit Thoth: 0 The last two disappoint me... but I'm sure someone else will take care of that in no time, now that everyone has been made aware. But again, this is the real reason why nullsec or even lowsec never comes into it. These guys look like pretty juicy targets to those who hunt heads for a living. Still, none of this compares to James315 himself, who has accrued a bounty of 1,673,407,804 ISK on his head by himself. I take it he doesn't get out much. Moral of the story: Never annoy people with deep pockets. Those bounty amounts are just sad. With the exception of Jim 315's, which is pretty nice. 100mil isk will correct some of these deficiencies at my soonest opportunity, i.e. when I log on this evening. Comrades, please place a bounty of 10mil isk or higher on the bumpist of your choice. 10mil-- the amount they demand in extortion fees. Many hands make light work. Many small bounties placed add up. Thank you. Really, though, don't you think you're wasting your precious ISK? I mean, a bounty is only as effective as the guns of those who wish to claim it, and my hull is Invincible.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1054
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:55:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Really, though, don't you think you're wasting your precious ISK? I mean, a bounty is only as effective as the guns of those who wish to claim it, and my hull is Invincible.
If invincibility means hiding in nul after multiple deaths, then yes you are "invincible."
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1126
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:00:00 -
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Anslo, all of those kills took place in 0.0 during fleet fights. They don't have much to do with his work as a New Order agent. They don't have anything to do with it, in fact.
You're being facetious. Stop. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1054
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:20:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Anslo, all of those kills took place in 0.0 during fleet fights. They don't have much to do with his work as a New Order agent. They don't have anything to do with it, in fact.
You're being facetious. Stop.
He said his hull is invincible.
I'm proving it's not.
This is in no way facetious.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1126
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:39:00 -
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He's bragging, and being a bit of a derp himself. The correct thing to do is to do what I did, which is to roll your eyes and ignore it. |
Tannim Greene
S-Words And Snakes Shadow of Fate
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Posted - 2013.01.04 21:50:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote:Emily Florence Nightingale wrote:yawn!!!
I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane. It would seem that the answer is a mixture of A and B. I'd go with all three..mainly c. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.06 07:20:00 -
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If you blowhards really wanted to make a difference then you'd go after the thousands of automated mining ships operating freely in null sec. The fact is that you're going after soft targets in high sec because you're cowards and petty criminals. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
542
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Posted - 2013.01.06 15:30:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:If you blowhards really wanted to make a difference then you'd go after the thousands of automated mining ships operating freely in null sec. The fact is that you're going after soft targets in high sec because you're cowards and petty criminals. I believe we've been through this in this thread before.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:48:00 -
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Simon Louvaki wrote:If this were truly about creating a better society, it wouldn't come at a cost of ISK. The ideal is somewhat noble in a sense, but the fact that you require miners to buy a license from a non-government entity and claim to have jurisdiction over all is off setting. 'Buy my license and obey my rules or face harassment at the hands of my goons' is not the calling card of a righteous cause. Its extortion and racketeering.
"A non government-entity that charges for a license and says obey my rules or suffer harassment at the hands of my goons"
Sounds like government to me, save money by privatising all the things, then charge your constituents for the privilege of being badgered by private organisations.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Alana Charen-Teng
VoV Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:51:00 -
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This thread is a month old and I didn't know about it !?
153 billion in rebel assets destroyed. The current record stands at 15 billion in one day, on Jan 11, 2013.
The loot fairy frowned upon our Triple-Faction-Invuln Mackinaw kill. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:25:00 -
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Alana Charen-Teng wrote:This thread is a month old and I didn't know about it !? 153 billion in rebel assets destroyed. The current record stands at 15 billion in one day, on Jan 11, 2013. The loot fairy frowned upon our Triple-Faction-Invuln Mackinaw kill.
They will never learn. Inside mining barge, true story |
Cynthia Gallente
Valkyrie Professional Resources Redrum Fleet
1492
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:31:00 -
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Thank you New Order for making things unfun! You are sure accomplishing...goals.... yeah Post with your lickGäó |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:29:00 -
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Cynthia Gallente wrote:Thank you New Order for making things unfun! You are sure accomplishing...goals.... yeah If you seriously enjoy sitting in an asteroid belt all day while your mining lasers grind stone, then your attitude towards the great gift of capsuleerhood is exactly the kind that we wish to deter.
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:32:00 -
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Seems the miner bumper fad is dying. Miners gonna mine. Bumpers gonna... go do something else. If you help someone when they're in trouble, they will remember you when they're in trouble again.
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:56:00 -
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Shocking, I guess? Third rate goons don't have staying power? Let's alert the media, shall we? The really quite funny bit will be all the idiots, cowards, crybabies and spineless nitwits who will actually be sporting the quite public mark of "I was such a failure that even these pitiful runts managed to put the squeeze on me.".
Well, until they blush and remove it. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
614
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Posted - 2013.01.15 16:03:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Seems the miner bumper fad is dying. Miners gonna mine. Bumpers gonna... go do something else. I'm unsure as to whether or not you mean the New Order or just the bumping section of the New Order. If you mean just the bumping, you'd be correct that bumping has somewhat decreased; we feel that anyone who has not yet joined the Order deserves more severe punishment than bumping. If you mean the New Order, then you're wrong.
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Cynthia Gallente
Valkyrie Professional Resources Redrum Fleet
1546
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:11:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Seems the miner bumper fad is dying. Miners gonna mine. Bumpers gonna... go do something else. I'm unsure as to whether or not you mean the New Order or just the bumping section of the New Order. If you mean just the bumping, you'd be correct that bumping has somewhat decreased; we feel that anyone who has not yet joined the Order deserves more severe punishment than bumping. If you mean the New Order, then you're wrong. Let me restate what you said " Ya, we like being dicks!" What miserably wretches you all really are. Post with your lickGäó |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
614
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:14:00 -
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Cynthia Gallente wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Seems the miner bumper fad is dying. Miners gonna mine. Bumpers gonna... go do something else. I'm unsure as to whether or not you mean the New Order or just the bumping section of the New Order. If you mean just the bumping, you'd be correct that bumping has somewhat decreased; we feel that anyone who has not yet joined the Order deserves more severe punishment than bumping. If you mean the New Order, then you're wrong. Let me restate what you said " Ya, we like being dicks!" What miserably wretches you all really are. That's rephrasing what I said. And getting it wrong, too.
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