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zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:28:00 -
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Alice Saki
Ducklings
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:31:00 -
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+1 My Null Roams.... Badger MKII :D They all-áHate my Stabby Badger... xD |
zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.19 00:08:00 -
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yay for ship spining
oh dam it wont work my ship wont spin oh well at least i got the old hanger view bk
ps bump bk to top |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:38:00 -
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@ the original Dev that was responding here...
Let me make my point about 50 Fittings not being sufficient with this screenshot :
50 Fittings? or 1 Fitting each?
Look at the numbers of ships per fitting category, and you'll see that most only have 1 fitting - then you have 15 frigate fittings (I like my frigates) and 8 Command ship fittings and 5 T1 cruiser fittings.
I can barely fit in 1 of any other ship category, and only 2 Battlecruisers.
I would like to be able to hold multiple fittings for other ship categories, but instead I'm shoe-horned into not being able to setup options for my PVP boats.
50 seems like a big number, but it's really not that sufficient.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Barakkus
856
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:25:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:It makes me sort of glad that some of you at least are using this feature up to that point that 50 fittings are not enough The limit that was picked was fairly arbitrary but not the reason for having a limit was not. The fittings are stored on the DB and need to be fetched from there and moved to the client. For exactly how many we can have we have to consider two things. How big is the table actually going to get and network traffic. In addition to that we are doing some fairly poor job at loading them up (tallying up required skills for all fitted types and seeing if you meet the requirements). That however if fairly easily fixed. The network traffic is the one that concerns me most especially as we have to consider that you can have a long description on these. So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description?
I'm kind of curious about how much information you're transmitting to the client to begin with.
Really you should only be sending enough information to fill out the list of fittings, not all of the fittings to start off with. When someone picks a fitting to look at, then transmit the entire fitting for just that one ship and store it to the cache. You won't really have to worry about the traffic at that point. 32 bytes plus maybe 4 bytes for the ID of the fitting should be sufficient and not cause any network traffic issues. Only retrieve the list once per session or expiry period (maybe 24 hours), cache it (and cache the changes that occur during the session/expiry period).
A properly indexed and partitioned table(s) should handle a few million records fairly easily without much of a delay retrieving bits of the data for a single player. You probably would want to store the list of fittings in one table and the actual detail to the fittings elsewhere since the list will get refreshed by the client more often than the actual fittings themselves.
All that extra stuff with skills you mentioned should only be done upon viewing a fitting, results cached. The cache for that information should be invalidated when skills complete training or clones are changed.
Just my 2 cents, all just speculation on how you might want to consider doing it...I have no real knowledge about how things are structured on the backend, so I could be completely wrong on how you would want to deal with your above mentioned concerns. |
zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:53:00 -
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bk to the top coz i feel eve should have more than the verry small amount of 50 fittings , it just nowhere near enuff |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:20:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I support CCP selling extra fitting slots for AUR.
(And yes, I'm being serious.)
IF they introduced a Free-to-play option aimed at new players* certainly they should leave out things like the ablityt to save fittings from the free verions (the current F2P option of using plex is not really doable for any but mega power gamer types---scamming, trading, or belining to lvl 4s and playing huge boring hours to "earn" the right to play)
BUT, the Fittings limits without isk/aurum was by far one of the most off-putting parts of the Fearless "devils advocate" presentation by the senior developer.
with hardly any qualification, he raised the notion that game convenience should be withheld as a means for inducing incrementally more convenience in scale with how much aurum paid, with the decision of whether limmting such convenience to those who pay isk instead would have been the choice in the absence of the revenue model.
The notion of Free vs Premium, and having a a package of convenience features for a flat premium fee is well tested and works in many games. The game is mostly designed with the premium in mind..
An ala carte option with the more people pay, the smoother game play is from them, and a purposeful witholding of levels of convenience from "premium players" begins to warp the very premise that their goal is to provide the most entertaining game they can with resources available to them. It sets up an uncessary and ingrained conflict of interest that creates a question before releasing any improvment "can we tier this improvement in a way to charge for it?"
Those sort of motivations create an entirely different view of customers and game design of such a clearly insidous level that they shouldn't have even been raised in a devils advocate piece looking for ways to maximize free to play revenue....or at least they didn't need to be because playing devils advocate means making the most rational argument, not making extreme and facetious proposals.
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.10.23 08:41:00 -
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I noticed that on the winter expansion page there is nothing mentioned about optimal local and server side fittings.
Just crossing my fingers is all.
Also my statements still stand on the front about ISK/AUR over +fittings. CCP wouldn't make it any harder on themselves to program that transaction mess. Nobody would be happy about an internal fee or tax on basics, honestly.
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seany1212
Mind Games. 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.10.23 09:35:00 -
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I've been playing nearly 4 years and I've only just noticed the description box... Is that bad? |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.23 10:10:00 -
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I use 50 fittings and it is very annoying to micromanage now. I can fly almost every ship in the game, of course 50 fittings is a joke. I never use the description so just get rid of that, no problemo. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.23 11:16:00 -
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+1
I'd even be happy to pay AUR for unlimited fittings. I happen to have 3500 AUR in my wallet that I can't find anything imaginative or interesting enough to pay for in the NeX store, so ... |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.23 11:26:00 -
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How about moving all personal fittings back to the local client and then move more useful things like overview settings server side? Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:05:00 -
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The real Irony is that they're worried about space and network traffic...
but apparently not even 70% get anywhere near the max fitting limit - but the rest of us have to suffer with less fitting space... uhm... clearly the other 70% isn't going to start mysteriously filling up the OTHER 90 fitting slits that they don't use if you raise it to 100. So there is no issue because the system isn't being saturated.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Tacyon
The Phayder Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:10:00 -
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thumbs up for moving the personal fittings back to local HDD storage. This 50 limit as basically kept me from using the fittings library. I don't really use it that much any more since it got horked.
There is no "new programming" or "CCP would be giving up..X." this would be giving back what we once had.
the xml coding is very loose, has anyone tried to zip em for storage?
I periodically export mine and zip to storage. Makes it hard to "browse" them but when everyone else lost theirs in the expansion "upgrade" I just unzipped mine and whipped it out ! wait .. what ? |
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:16:00 -
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Seriously?? |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:21:00 -
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as i once posted before
200 personal fittings - because we all have different shinies we like to fly for various reasons
1000 corp/alliance fittings - because corps/alliance use many different fleet doctrines
having 1000 fittings would allow for the following:
Low Sp - fits Mid Sp - fits High SP - fits Capital - fits Industrial - fits Small Pos -fits (yes pos fittings should be saveable) Medium Pos - fits Large Pos - fits Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Yao Ying
Potsdam Royal Guards Nite's Reign
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:41:00 -
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Yes, unlimited local fittings please. It's possible to fill nearly 1/4th of that list with multiple variations of a single PVE battleship between all the different hardener and drone combinations. I used to use the fitting manager pretty extensively before, but haven't really found it very useful since the limit seeing as that I can use nearly every subcap in the game and don't pick the FoTMs exclusively...
Moving the settings between multiple machines really isn't that hard when you email them to yourself or copy them to a memory stick. And it's not like the EVE settings folder is in an abysmally obscure location like it was 2 or 3 years ago. |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:55:00 -
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What I remember from when this feature was being developed was that it would be possible to access the modules on containers and on the corp hangar. Is that even going to be possible to do anytime other tha SoonTM?
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Dr Mercy
EC Riders Mech Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.30 22:31:00 -
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More please! |
Y U NO
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.31 01:24:00 -
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CCP - Y U NO ADD MORE!? |
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Marcus Wilde
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:03:00 -
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Bumping back up to the top!
Deleting older fittings in order to make room for new ones, has been doing my head in lately! http://hellhounds-howls.blogspot.com/ |
big miker
Reign of Anarchy Pandorum Invictus
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:34:00 -
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Just been on the test server, winter release version. Seems like we're now able to save 100 ship fittings =] |
zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.03 18:31:00 -
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200-300 would be awsome then i could bring back all my saved fittings and still have room to play with more
ps BUMP BK TO TOP |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:37:00 -
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so reporting back from sisi it appears CCP increased fittings to one hundred.
That's really generous and all...
but please CCP, be out going and just grant us a full featured unrestricted utility. I guess, whoever is making these fitting restrictions is a sole person. Or a unanimous conscious decision from everyone at CCP (I think that's probably not the case).
You might aswell put a calculator tool restriction and decrease the number of numerals that appear calculated. It might break something down the road.
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Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:53:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:so reporting back from sisi it appears CCP increased fittings to one hundred.
That's really generous and all...
but please CCP, be out going and just grant us a full featured unrestricted utility. I guess, whoever is making these fitting restrictions is a sole person. Or a unanimous conscious decision from everyone at CCP (I think that's probably not the case).
You might aswell put a calculator tool restriction and decrease the number of numerals that appear calculated. It might break something down the road.
Tuxford has already explained why you can't have unlimited fittings (another CCP staffer explained it aaagges ago when the 50 limit was imposed) and that's down to DB size and network traffic.
If you want it server side and that they're available if you access Eve from a different computer, you're having a limit. Period.
If you want unlimited fittings, it'll be client side and local to your machine only. |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:50:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote: If you want unlimited fittings, it'll be client side and local to your machine only.
EXACTLY. Local it, I don't care. CCP can fix by "pushing the envelope". I already explained how it's easy to accomplish and two ways it can be done.
I don't care either about NET difficulties, that can be achieved with CCP as they're committed. it's a fitting tool for convenience recalling smaller info than a full size note.
I respect time and time again they dish an excuse. Out of the blue, CCP NERFing the tool in the first place for no given reason, I guess you invite feedback from community when you play with fire.
Such an honest simple task to accomplish for any developer gaming company.
I seriously just want my fittings, not argue moan and cry about it. It couldn't be blatantly more obvious that vet players of the game need well over 100+ fits.
This I think is so far out overlooked and shouldn't be this way, this thread shouldn't exist. that bad decision shouldn't have been made. and Tuxford already forgotten about it.
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bongpacks
Mudbug Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.06 04:23:00 -
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I support this product and/or service. |
Hamster Too
No Name Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 04:40:00 -
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When I was on Sisi yesterday you could save 100 personal and 200 corporate fittings. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.11.06 05:12:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:so reporting back from sisi it appears CCP increased fittings to one hundred.
That's really generous and all...
but please CCP, be out going and just grant us a full featured unrestricted utility. I guess, whoever is making these fitting restrictions is a sole person. Or a unanimous conscious decision from everyone at CCP (I think that's probably not the case).
You might aswell put a calculator tool restriction and decrease the number of numerals that appear calculated. It might break something down the road.
CCP I reject your compromise and demand MORE.
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zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:18:00 -
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bumpty bumpty back to the top
100 is still not enuff for fittings bring back client side unlimited fitings
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